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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2008, 10:35:04 PM » |
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Brand New Pet Food Manufacturing Plant up for sale. http://www.bizbuysell.com/listing-information-q351223.htmlNo date on this, but it's gotta be fairly recent. Response phone number is to Oklahoma exchange, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Would love to know who this is......... Mike
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2008, 06:49:37 AM » |
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Was it Natura that was talking about building a new plant? I remember hearing about one of the pf companies building a new plant but I'm not sure who it was right now. Too many months of reading & trying to remember stuff......this old brain is on tilt right now......duh.......  My other thought was MF........they have a lot of plants around the country.......did they have this is in the works prior to the black days of March? Needless to say, that changed everything for them.......which it well should. 
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Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened - - Anon.
If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went - - Will Rogers
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2008, 07:01:58 AM » |
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If you click the contact it's Brenda Phipps and in the listing for the property it says liquidation of partenerhip. I don't know, but looks like a pretty safe Assumption can be made by reading the following link: “An important overlapping issue in both the civil and criminal cases was the allegation that (Steve) Phipps transferred money from PEI to National Pet Products and more importantly, whether Stipe was aware of such interests and had an interest in NPP himself,” stated the argument Hogan filed of behalf of RWC. National Pet Products, or NPP, refers to the pet food plant on the north side of McAlester. http://www.mcalesternews.com/local/local_story_300151855.html
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2008, 07:11:53 AM » |
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Offy: Good find. I Googled NPP & they make dog food under the name National. I've never heard of it or seen it anywhere. http://www.nationaldogfood.com/www/products.htmlI think the pf companies who make the really good food should get together, buy the plant & make their own. Then we wouldn't have to worry about which plants are making the food. Dream on, girl....... 
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Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened - - Anon.
If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went - - Will Rogers
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2008, 07:14:07 AM » |
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Offy: Good find. I Googled NPP & they make dog food under the name National. I've never heard of it or seen it anywhere. http://www.nationaldogfood.com/www/products.htmlI think the pf companies who make the really good food should get together, buy the plant & make their own. Then we wouldn't have to worry about which plants are making the food. Dream on, girl.......  Yup, dream on LOL  They wouldn't have an outsider to pass the buck to if something went wrong in quality or production or ingredients 
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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2008, 02:22:46 PM » |
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Went into local grocery store (giant eagle) today, looked down pet food aisle, no one in aisle but they did add a freezer. they are now selling Freshpet select rolls and containers that are called Bites kathy
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2008, 11:10:45 PM » |
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Was it Natura that was talking about building a new plant? I remember hearing about one of the pf companies building a new plant but I'm not sure who it was right now. Too many months of reading & trying to remember stuff......this old brain is on tilt right now......duh.......  My other thought was MF........they have a lot of plants around the country.......did they have this is in the works prior to the black days of March? Needless to say, that changed everything for them.......which it well should.  Yes - Natura was going to buy a plant to make their own canned food... that was PAtkin's message to the consumers last year right after the recall. But I bet this plant for sale is one of MenuFoods'?
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2008, 05:23:10 PM » |
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Went into local grocery store (giant eagle) today, looked down pet food aisle, no one in aisle but they did add a freezer. they are now selling Freshpet select rolls and containers that are called Bites kathy
those rolls IMHO are JUNK .. they claim brown rice but the label says brewers .... I have a feeling I know which Company bought that plant and it wasnt natura
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2008, 05:13:01 AM » |
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Well in my 2 local supermarkets they are only carrying 3 brands of tinned and unfortunately still carrying horrible poisonous dry kibble crapola in a bag.
But many of the brands have not returned to the shelves.
I think that the industry will turn over to the raw food industry. People do not trust big corporate multinational pet food companies after what has happened. For me, for sure, I will never buy vet kibble or commercial pet food again after what has happened to me. $5,000 in vet bills and a dead cat. I hate their guts and hope they lose tons of money and that all the class action lawsuits everywhere succeed.
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2008, 05:47:55 AM » |
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I think that the industry will turn over to the raw food industry. People do not trust big corporate multinational pet food companies after what has happened.
I have to disagree with you. Raw diets are still very new and lets not forget that most vets either do not recommend them or are skeptical where feeding raw is concerned. Then there are some people who get grossed out at just the thought of it. I presume it was not untill after your cat had succumbed due to feeding commercial pet food that you made the switch to raw? The majority of pet owners do not usually make a connection between health problems in their pets and the food they eat untill something drastic happens, if even then. Also you have to take into consideration the cost factor. Many households with pets feed what they can afford, unfortunately that usually means a supermarket brand. We are a society that has been spoiled by convenience which in turn guarantees there will always be commercial pet foods.
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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2008, 08:25:42 AM » |
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I agree Laurie, while we are all wanting the best food for our pets and some feel raw is the best way to go, we cant forget about the shelter pets and other pets who will always get commercial food. They deserve to have safe food too. People have various reasons for feeding what they feed, cost, ability, certain conditions with the pet, certain conditions with the owner. I dont believe commercial food will ever go away and therefore its important to keep the fight up for safer pet food for every pet. MariManu, Im very glad you have had really good success with the raw food and I dont doubt it. My concern is that there will always be pets in shelters, pets in homes with an elderly parent, pets in low-income families, pets in homes with disabled parents, that will always get commercial food so I would like to see commercial food be as healthy as possible for those pets. If that means no dry food for cats, great, but I would love to see all commercial wet food be as healthy as possible, no grains, etc.
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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2008, 08:26:32 AM » |
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Empty pet food isles.. that I have found to be a good sales pitch to your grocer to provide organic meats, poultry etc. and more organic products overall.
They need to pick those sales $'s back up and it's up to the consumer to help them find out how.. if the pet food companies won't listen, I think the grocers would be happy to assist us and get those lost $ and then some..
How about even pitching them on the idea of a "local market" & "organic market" section in produce?
Publix called me today, and I will be hearing from them again next week.
PFCs leave me feeling powerless.
The grocer left me feeling much, much better and they were responsive.
I think this is one way for those of us concerned about the quality of pet foods (and our foods) to get more $ away from commercial pfcs (or, some changes) and the power back to the consumer. (Leverage the grocery stores against the pfcs).
One side note. I don't think pet owners are aware that homecooking can be more cost efficient than commercial. For .8lb of organic ground pork with one organic egg for the cats, I had a burger for myself and 12 pet food dishes of pet meals. If those 12 meals are .50 per can... well, the math says transitioning to homecooked is worth it. With accelerating costs of pet foods, this makes homecooking a more logical option. Doing meals for oneself and your pets at the same time is easier and cheaper. (Now to get the kids converted LOL) Dogs have to be easier than cats and cheaper too to plan their meals and yours around the same ingredients. Time efficient and less of a chore at that.
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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2008, 08:52:21 AM » |
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Offy, do you think this cost would be the same for cooking for pets in a shelter though? There is cost and there is man-hours involved too. Dont get me wrong, Im not knocking the advantages of raw cooking Im just skeptical that it can be something that pet shelters can really maintain. Also, I keep thinking of people like my sister who has multiple sclerosis, I doubt this is something she could maintain with her illness trying to feed raw so Im just thinking of another group of people out there with various illnesses/diseases that might not be able to do raw unless maybe it was commercial raw and there are those companies out there but it is very expensive to buy from them in most cases. I understand peoples wants to not see any commercial pet food companies at all anymore but I dont know if its realistic or not.....I could be totally wrong but I just dont see everyone going to raw feeding.
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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2008, 09:22:11 AM » |
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As a cat owner, I'm not convinced that raw and their metabolic system is a good thing, unless the raw is organic & high quality. So, I'm not saying raw is the way to go. Homemade is the way to go for those that can. What I am saying is that this seems to be a way to make it a) easier to get ingredients for homemade b) bring about change in commercial pet foods c) help grocers bring up sales dollars from the losses they suffered from the pathetic, scandalous and greedy attitudes of commercial pet food companies.
Leveraging the grocers against the pfcs by encouraging them to provide a means for pet owners to buy ingredients at their store for both home made pet food (whether cooked or raw) is a good way IMO to force change in the commercial pet food industry.
I know homemade pet food (whether raw or cooked) may not be an option for shelters or some consumers.
It is possible though IMO to get enough pet owners doing homemade to bring about real positive nutritional changes in commercial pet foods.
If the grocers hadn't realized a loss in commercial pet food sales, this wouldn't work.
We know the upscale pet food companies are also suffering production & quality issues from the influx of consumers abandoning the commercial pet foods on the grocer shelves. That leaves us all hurting and the pfcs stubbornly avoiding changes.
The grocers also are aware that they don't carry those upscale commercial pet foods.
They're in a lose lose situation there. They can a)make it easier to buy ingredients for homemade pet food (cha ching) and/or b) sell upscale commercial pet foods (cha ching). A grocer is going to see that positive and something to do faster apparently than the pfcs. The downside to b) again is the same as it is now.. sales vs production volume and quality control.
If the consumers that can can make the grocers understand they are missing a major dollar market and respond to that need it will be easier to do homemade. I really think that will bring about the changes in commercial to help us all - even the "lower" scale brands.
To be honest, IMO the commercial pet foods are pricing themselves out of customers too.. especially if a pet owner is fixing a meal for themselves and their pets at the same time from the same grocer.
I don't see commercial pet foods going away.
I do see a way to bring about change in the nutrition & science they use in products and impacting the health of our animals.
We've been screwed by them and will continue to be screwed (vet bills and the pain of losing our animals to hyperthyroid, renal, liver and other damages) from the callous greed of the stubborn attitude of "money is worth more than the nutrition of your pet" business plans and "we're regulated" pied piper songs.
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« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2008, 10:14:59 AM » |
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Understood Offy, its all very good info to consider. And agree we have all been screwed. Why does it all have to be so complicated, you would think safe pet food would be a no-brainer to companies but its obvious to all of us that they have hidden agendas interfering with this concept. Thanks for another viewpoint to think about though, I appreciate all angles on this subject.
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