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BruinMike
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« on: January 02, 2008, 10:42:56 PM »

If any of you still have samples of any
pet food that was tested positive for
acetaminophen by Expertox, I have a
source at the State of Texas, Dept. of
Chemistry that is willing to provide
cross-testing. So far, they've been unable
to get any samples.

If we could get verified repeatable results,
this would put the final nail in this coffin.

I will get the samples to the lab, and the
results will be sent to you and you alone.
Noone will release the results without
your specific authorization. Don't want to
hurt the cause, just help.

I have some frozen samples of what my dog
ate, and I'm submitting them.

Let me know,

Mike
mike@defendourpets.org
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Mandycat
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 11:30:54 PM »

Mike -
     There was a lot of discussion on the forum not too long ago about trying to find a lab to confirm ExperTox's acetaminophen results.  There are some people who do have food, so, hopefully they will participate in this testing.  Good luck.  It would be very good to have some confirmation. 
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MarySmith
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 12:35:59 AM »

Mike,
Does this lab, test to the identical levels of sensitivity that Expertox does?
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kaffe
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 03:50:01 AM »

Yay!!!!
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5CatMom
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 05:21:39 AM »

Mike, way to go.

I have an unopened bag of Beneful dog food.

Got it at a "box store" pet retailer during the recalls as there were SO MANY anecdotal reports of problems with the food.

You just never know when an unopened bag of food will come in handy.

Anyway, if anyone wants it, please let me know.  Will be happy to ship it to you.

5CatMom
=^..^=
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Carol
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 05:27:40 AM »

If they can test the way Expertox does, I have the food----


my wish list:

GC/MS
MDL 0.1 ppm
"mix up" the food prior to testing in case there is a small area with toxin---it could be distributed throughout then.
test to see if cyanuric acid and melamine present (as my first test showed non-detect cyanuric acid)

(I will cc this as an email to Mike)



I'm posting this pix of Smudge as a reminder of what we are all doing this for!  This is 2 weeks after her crash---and this was when she was looking better!  Of course this is for "ALL the Smudges and angel Jessicas"!! Angry

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Carol
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 09:40:44 AM »

Mike needs this pet owner to contact him too--anybody have any contact info on her???

http://www.itchmo.com/lab-reports-acetaminophen-in-eagle-pack-senior-dog-food-3778
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 10:47:13 AM »

Mike, if you can list the exact foods that have tested positive at Expertox, might assist in finding remaining supplies.

Go, you guys, with an honest, independent test. Good luck and thank you for trying.
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Carol
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 10:56:38 AM »

5cat did a great summary of these!

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/whats-killing-our-pets-are-there-toxins-in-pet-food-poor-nutrients-t1531.0.html;msg32030#msg32030
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Offy
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 11:24:25 AM »

The problem is that several only had "detected" reported.

If they had "spikes" below the .1ppm then I personally doubt you will get confirmations. There are few with the quantitive tests done. 

Here's where I tried to list who did/did not get the detection levels determined.

http://itchmoforums.com/pet-food-testing/focus-on-confirmation-of-acetaminophen-positive-tests-t2544.0.html;msg31672#msg31672

There are only 2 positive tests with levels above .1ppm - from the list:

2. Example #2a & b - Don ‘s composite samples of Pets Pride cat food test positive by Expertox for 90.72 ug/g cyanuric acid; composite samples of Pet Pride Turkey & Giblets test positive by Expertox for .20 ug/g acetaminophen

7.  Example #7  November 7, 2007  Pet website Itchmo.com reports:  Lab Reports Acetaminophen In Eagle Pack Senior Dog Food, no report given or levels indicated. Eagle Pack website reports that  Expertox reported “trace” acetaminophen. The Expertox lab report posted at Itchmo shows 3.5 ug/g Acetaminophen http://www.itchmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/expertox.jpg

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2008, 02:23:51 PM »

Am I wrong in thinking that exact amount might not matter right now, and that just a test that shows that acetaminophen is or is not present would at least be some confirmation of ExperTox's results?  I do agree that the standard would have to detect a pretty low level to be sure of its presence, but, in that case, yes or no is at least a step in the right direction.
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Sandi K
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2008, 05:34:58 PM »

Mike, its my understanding that Carol, a member here, has exactly what you are looking for.  Maybe you want to contact her?  Forgive me Carol if I spoke out of line by giving your name.  I know Carol has food tested positive by Epertox for acetaminophen and I think Expertox even has some of that same exact food they tested which if Carol could get, would be even a clearer more straightforward test.  Or perhaps the Texas lab you have mentioned and Expertox could get together with Carols permission......I think she has more food herself but to me, getting the same food that Expertox tested would be a true test.  Carol never expected to find acetaminophen in her pets food and while some may not want to believe Expertox's findings, they have no reason to falsify results.  As far as their credibility, they are a certified accredited lab by College of American Pathologist, Dept of Health & Human Services, Federal Drug Enforecement Agency, Better Business Bureau, Institute of American Drug & Alcohol Testing and Texas Dept of Public Safety.   This would be the perfect opportunity to either affirm the results or determine what is causing these readings of acetaminophen.  Some sort of explanation can maybe be found and explained by one or both labs if it tests negative at another lab.  That is what is truly needed if it doesnt affirm Expertox's findings.  Well anyhow, thats just my 2 cents worth.  Thanks!   Undecided   
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BruinMike
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2008, 06:54:42 AM »

To Carol and 5catmom,

I am awaiting a phone call from my source at the
State of Texas, Dept. of Chemistry for shipping
instructions.

I think it is best that the samples not go through
me to retain any questions of authenticity.

For those wondering why actual levels are so important,
it has to do with the quality of lab testing being done,
and the re-producability of results.

Good science requires that the amount detected under
cross-testing be comparable. You can only do that if
you know the actual results obtained by each lab. For
example, if Expertox showed 2.2 ppm and another lab
showed 22 ppm, there would be a problem, and the same
is true in the opposite direction. Phrases like "presence
detected" and "trace amounts found" are totally unsuitable
for this purpose.

As to methods of testing, the same technique will be used
as Expertox used. They have been extremely closed-mouth
about releasing any information whatsoever, but divulging
their test methods is not "national security". The State of
Texas has more than adequate test facilities available at
several major university labs.

Hope this helps bring things up to date and clarify some
questions.

Mike
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kb
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2008, 03:32:32 PM »

Mike, thank you so much for finding a lab and trying to get to the bottom of this.  Everyone I had talked to either didn't test for acet. or sent it out to Expertox or to UCDavis.  Please keep us updated.
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kaffe
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2008, 06:45:07 AM »

A MILLION THANKS to you Mike for all your hard work in behalf of our fur babies!
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