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Author Topic: New Chinese bird flu infections-where will the poultry go?  (Read 7512 times)
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« on: April 13, 2013, 02:25:57 PM »

If you've been following the news of this, you already know about the outbreak in Shanghai and that following some human deaths, the poultry markets were cleared and the birds slaughtered. 

Today Forbes magazine quotes the ''Shanghai Daily'' newspaper there regarding the poultry in that city:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/russellflannery/2013/04/13/deadly-h7n9-bird-flu-spreads-into-chinas-capital-beijings-first-case-is-a-7-year-old-girl/

"H7N9 has already hurt China’s poultry and restaurant industries as consumers shun chicken on worries about getting sick, even though cooked meat is said to be safe.  With farmers in Shanghai unable to find buyers for an estimated 600,000 live chickens ready to be sold, city slaughterhouses had as of last night “collected” 64,850 birds , the Shanghai Daily said today.

" “As there is little demand for poultry due to bird flu concerns, the chickens will be deep frozen and stored"
, the paper said."

The question for us outside of China is whether this questionable poultry will be sold for export.  To my knowledge, Chinese poultry is not permitted entry into the United States for human consumption.  It is, unfortunately, allowed entry here in the form of pet food and treats--chicken jerky treats and the like.  Many of these Chinese-made treats have been removed from the market due to recently discovered residue from an antibiotic or antibiotics which are prohibited in the United States, which caused them to be classed as adulterated by the FDA.

While many of these brands are off our US store shelves, there are still many brands who did not remove their products and those brands of various chicken treats are still being sold here at present.

The present belief, according to the ''Shanghai Daily'' seen above, is that this poultry is safe after being properly cooked.  Everything I've seen regarding how chicken and other poultry jerky for pet treats is prepared commercially calls for the raw poultry to be dried without any cooking, so these treats are simply raw, dried poultry.

The latest publicized victim of bird flu is a 7 year old girl in Beijing, whose parents sell poultry at the city's live poultry market; the virus has now appeared hundreds of miles away from the point where it was originally reported-in Shanghai.

As a portion of an auto-generated transcript of an ABC News story of April 13, 2013 indicates, the birds do not die of the virus.  The speaker is Dr. Richard Besser, formerly of the US Centers for Disease Control, who reported live from Hong Kong:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bird-flu-china-spreads-hundreds-miles-outbreak-point-18946850

"Richard besser live in hong kong this morning. Dr. Besser, tell us about this fresh case and why it worries you so much.

But what concerns moo he is what you showed on that map, the distance between shanghai and beijing. It was able to travel that distance without leaving a trail of dead birds. Most kill birds as well."


The question and concern is--whether it could be brought into the United States or any other nation by way of pet-related poultry products originating in China.  For safety's sake, it would seem sensible and prudent for the US and other nations to place a ban on all Chinese poultry products.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2013, 03:52:08 PM »

I agree, menusux. If this new bird flu is as virulent as they say, no poultry products of any kind should be admitted from China.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2013, 04:27:57 PM »

http://www.forbes.com/sites/russellflannery/2013/04/13/h7n9-bird-flu-cases-rise-to-49-deaths-at-11-in-china-beijing-shuts-poultry-markets/print/

Forbes April 13, 2013

Forbes has recently updated the story.  The number of human cases has risen to 49, with 11 deaths among them.  This news prompted Beijing to shut its live poultry market.  This paragraph from Forbes re-states the previous information re: poultry being frozen for "later":

"The closure of live poultry markets in Beijing will put new pressure on China’s poultry industry over what to do with chicken that are ready to be sold but that have no buyers.  Shanghai has up to 600,000 such chickens, and city processors have been deep freezing them.  China is the world’s No. 2 producer of chicken after the United States."

Again, I think we should all limit our risks and stop the import of all Chinese poultry products as of now.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2013, 04:39:14 PM »

And stop using chicken for ourselves or our pets unless we are positive it is from a safe source. That may sound a little paranoid, but as we all know these things as well as recalls tend to snowball.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 09:43:15 AM »

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20130426-712129.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

WSJ Online April 26, 2013

"Malaysia Bans Chicken Imports From China"

The flu has now spread from mainland China into Taiwan via a man who was visiting there and returned home to Taiwan, and Malaysia has banned all poultry imports fron China.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2013/04/26/its-time-to-worry-about-the-new-chinese-bird-flu

US News & World Report April 26, 2013

"It's Time to Worry About the New Chinese Bird Flu"

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 11:52:17 AM »

This is getting pretty scary.  Thanks for the updates, menusux.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2013, 05:42:27 AM »

Ooh, I did a paper on bird flu a few years ago! Basically, it is not present in the USA. It's rampant in China. The human-transmissible strains are also only present in China, usually only affecting the workers who are in direct contact with the whole animals. Chicken meat does NOT transmit bird flu! The World Health Organization says: "The majority of human cases of H5N1 infection have been associated with direct or indirect contact with infected live or dead poultry. There is no evidence that the disease can be spread to people through properly cooked food." It goes on to specify that the virus is destroyed by heat, so cooking the meat to 70C throughout will kill it. That said, definitely be sure of the source of your meat and how it was prepared. If you're very worried despite that, wear gloves while handling raw meat. It can't hurt and it will give you peace of mind.

I'll have to read up more on the current outbreak, but the last one had only one case of transmission from human to human. If you're not in direct contact with infected whole birds, you're really not at risk.

Edit: Yup just checked the CDC. They report that they're not sure if there's been patient 0 to human transmission, but there definitely hasn't been widespread transmission throughout the community.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2013, 03:39:44 PM »

I am very concerned, as I live in Mass and have  35 laying hens, all pets of course.

Tis dificult to monitor all imports, I hope it does not spread.

In Mass, for free, the State Inspector who covers different area, my area is southeastern Mass, will test every chicken, for Mercks and Bird flu, I am having it done, as I sell eggs and it si required.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2013, 06:54:44 AM »

Was talking to friend who went to Malaysia recently and came back sick.  I had made a comment that I hoped it didn't go from chicken to human to cats!  No sign of that yet, thank heavens.
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2013, 04:01:24 PM »

Been quiet regarding bird flu.  With the way animals and fowl are so congested in China, no fresh,always confined, this problem will continue.

I read that the Chinese are buying one of the largest pork manufacturing companies in the United States.

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