Itchmo Forums for Cats & Dogs Brought to you by Itchmo: Essential news, humor and info for cats, dogs and pet owners.
March 17, 2010, 06:12:31 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: March Pet Picture Theme:
Puppies and Kittens!
Post on this thread:
http://itchmoforums.com/the-den-show-off-your-pet-family/puppies-and-kittens-t10545.0.html
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  

Go To Itchmo.com: Read the latest cat, dog and pet news, pet food recall info, product reviews and more — updated daily.


Pages: 1 [2] 3
  Print  
Author Topic: FDA Announces Delay of BSE Final Rule Implementation  (Read 1576 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
lesliek
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4997


Trooper,Remy & Fragile


« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2009, 09:23:42 AM »

Well at least he is responding & answering questions.
Logged

"the world's most inept extortionist"
3catkidneyfailure
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4507

All the fur-kids count


« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2009, 09:49:44 AM »

I got the response, too, from Dr. Pritchett (DVM) that pet food is included and
thank him for responding. I did not say in my email that I was going to post his
response online (stupid of me). So like the rest of you, I don't feel like I can.

However, reading his response, I got the impression that it means more or less
"indirectly" by preventing BSE inclusion in ruminant cattle feed, there won't be
any BSE infected downer cattle available for rendering and inclusion in commercial
pet food, not that downer cattle will be prevented from being rendered into
commercial pet food. Anyone else get that impression from the response
they got? Confusion still reigns here on the subject of downer cattle inclusion
in commercial pet food.
Logged
Sandi K
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3737


« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2009, 10:24:01 AM »

My response was not that detailed 3cat, but he said "generally" animal feed includes pet food....but I think generally is a pretty vague term and does not apply to all rules or bills, I think that if they want to specify pet food, they say pet food.  I wonder if the CVM Ombudsman link would provide any mor specific answers.... 
Logged
Pita_Purr_Parler
Guest
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2009, 11:06:46 AM »

If anybody needs a "reason", this recall notice should help. BSE & dog food by Champion 2003.  Cats do get this, so it's a huge worry.

If dogs don't , then please tell me why they recalled it?Huh?

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00910.html

Quote

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement
May 26, 2003

Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

FDA BSE Update - Pet Food from Canadian Manufacturer

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has learned from the government of Canada that rendered material from a Canadian cow that last week tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, also known as “mad cow disease”) may have been used to manufacture pet food, specifically dry dog food, some of which was reported to have been shipped to the United States. The Canadian government prevented the BSE positive cow from being processed for human food. Therefore, consumers can be assured that their food does not contain any remnants of the BSE positive cow.

It is also important to stress that there is no scientific evidence to date that dogs can contract BSE or any similar disease. In addition there is no evidence that dogs can transmit the disease to humans.

FDA notified the U.S. pet food firm, The Pet Pantry International, of Carson City, Nevada, when FDA learned that the pet food that the firm received may have included rendered material from the BSE positive cow. The manufacturer of the pet food is Champion Pet Food, Morinville, Alberta. Even though there is no known risk to dogs from eating this dog food, as a prudent measure to help assure that the U.S. stays BSE free The Pet Pantry International is asking its customers who may have purchased the suspect product to hold it for pickup by the distributor so that the dog food will not mistakenly be mixed into cattle or other feeds if any of the dog food is discarded or otherwise not used to feed dogs. The suspect dog food was produced by Champion Pet Food between February 4, 2003, and March 12, 2003.

The Pet Pantry products were packaged in 50 lb bags, distributed to franchises around the country, and sold by home delivery only. There was no retail distribution of the product. Consumers purchase Pet Pantry products by phone or email orders. The product is then delivered by the nearest franchisee directly to the consumer’s home.

The product subject to this notification includes “Maintenance Diet” labeled with a use by date of “17FEB04” and “Beef with Barley” with a use by date of “05MAR04”. Consumers who have purchased dog food from The Pet Pantry since February of this year are asked to check their present supplies and see if any match the description of the product being removed. If so, consumers are asked to contact The Pet Pantry at 1-800-381-7387 for further information on how to return the product to The Pet Pantry for proper disposal. Consumers are asked not to destroy or discard the product themselves. The Pet Pantry will also use its sales records to contact consumers who purchased the affected product.

FDA is working closely with the Pet Pantry International to assure for proper disposal of the recovered product.

FDA will continue to provide updates on this case of BSE in Canada as additional information becomes available.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 11:08:29 AM by Offy » Logged
Carol
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2883


Sir Harrison II aka Harry Hody


« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2009, 03:52:28 AM »

It is also important to stress that there is no scientific evidence to date that dogs can contract BSE or any similar disease. In addition there is no evidence that dogs can transmit the disease to humans.

Could this be that there are no scientific studies done?  (hate to think about it)

Like this statement should make people feel better.... Angry
Logged

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” — Margaret Mead

United we stand     Divided we fall....
lesliek
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4997


Trooper,Remy & Fragile


« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2009, 07:24:12 AM »

Wasn't there a story about cats & dogs in England suspected of getting BSE ?
Logged

"the world's most inept extortionist"
catbird
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3200



WWW
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2009, 07:31:34 AM »

I remember reading a story somewhere about European cats with the feline form of BSE, which was supposed to have been from eating meat that was infected.
Logged

Read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and you'll know where we are going and why we are in this handbasket.
lesliek
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4997


Trooper,Remy & Fragile


« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2009, 07:42:02 AM »

I just tried a search for it,but no luck. I can't remember what thread it was in & there are a lot of references too it on here.
Logged

"the world's most inept extortionist"
Pita_Purr_Parler
Guest
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2009, 08:42:52 AM »

Here are some links that have a good bit of discussion in them and links -you have to ferret them out as they are not showing as links due to the use of >'s in the emails:


http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo970602/text/70602w28.htm

Quote
Until November 1994, with the exception of BSE and scrapie, none of the other TSEs were notifiable. On the other hand, the Government believe that most cases of TSE have been reported to Agriculture Departments and epidemiological investigations have been carried out where possible. With respect to exotic ruminants, risk of infection was primarily associated with consumption of feed, often produced for cattle, which contained meat and bone meal (MBM). With respect to exotic felines and domestic cats, the risk was considered to be associated with consumption of central nervous system tissue which could legally be fed to them until it was banned in September 1990.

No cases of TSE have been found confirmed in canines, although a case of spongiform encephalopathy in a Norwegian dog showing a spongiform change in the brain is under investigation. This is not yet confirmed and speculation about its origin delayed until results are available.

http://www.ranchers.net/forum/about6437.html

Quote
Hound studies
>
> This largely started after it was found that dogs were being reported with
a
> spongiform encephalopathy and ataxia. The condition seemed to take place
in
> older dogs and was being reported from various parts of the UK. There was
> never any proof that it was caused by a TSE. One of the most difficult
> prblems to get around in all this was the outbreak of the disease that was
> seen in a large pack of game dogs. It was as if all the animals developed
> the disease concurrently..as would be expected if an infection was
involved.
> The animals were not very young and no specific infective cause or toxic
> cause was found.
>
> The documents below became clear during the Phillips Inquiry and represent
> documents passed around in the UK Ministry of Agriculture and Central
> Veterinary Laboratory:
> http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1991/10/18001001.pdf
> http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1993/12/06001001.pdf
> From these various documents:
>
> 37.Putative TSE in hounds - work started 1990 -(see para 41)
>
> Robert Higgins, a Veterinary Investigation Officer at Thirsk,
> had been working on a hound survey in 1990. Gerald Wells
> and I myself received histological sections from this survey
> along with the accompanying letter (YB90/11.28/1.1) dated
> November 1990. This letter details spongiform changes found
> in brains from hunt hounds failing to keep up with the rest of
> the pack, along with the results of SAF extractions from
> fresh brain material from these same animals. SAFs were not
> found in brains unless spongiform changes were also present.
> The spongiform changes were not pathognomonic (ie.
> conclusive proof) for prion disease, as they were atypical,
> being largely present in white matter rather than grey matter in
> the brain and spinal cord. However, Tony Scott, then head of
> electron microscopy work on TSEs, had no doubt that these
> SAFs were genuine and that these hounds therefore must have
> had a scrapie-like disease. I reviewed all the sections
> myself (original notes appended) and although the pathology
> was not typical, I could not exclude the possibility that this was
> a scrapie-like disorder, as white matter vacuolation is seen
> in TSEs and Wallerian degeneration was also present in the
> white matter of the hounds, another feature of scrapie.

>
> 38. Terry Singletary reviewed the literature on hound neuropathology, and
> discovered that micrographs and descriptive neuropathology from
> papers on 'hound ataxia' mirrored those in material from
> Robert Higgins' hound survey. Dr Tony Palmer (Cambridge) had
> done much of this work, and I obtained original sections
> from hound ataxia cases from him. This enabled me provisionally to
> conclude that Robert Higgins had in all probability detected
> hound ataxia, but also that hound ataxia itself was possibly a
> TSE. Gerald Wells confirmed in 'blind' examination of single
> restricted microscopic fields that there was no distinction
> between the white matter vacuolation present in BSE and
> scrapie cases, and that occurring in hound ataxia and the hound
> survey cases.
>
> 39.Hound ataxia had reportedly been occurring since the 1930's,
> and a known risk factor for its development was the feeding
> to hounds of downer cows, and particularly bovine offal.
> Circumstantial evidence suggests that bovine offal may also be
> causal in FSE, and TME in mink. Despite the inconclusive
> nature of the neuropathology, it was clearly evident that this
> putative canine spongiform encephalopathy merited further
> investigation.

>
> 40.The inconclusive results in hounds were never confirmed,
> nor was the link with hound ataxia pursued. I telephoned Robert
> Higgins six years after he first sent the slides to CVL.
> I was informed that despite his submitting a yearly report to the
> CVO including the suggestion that the hound work be continued,
> no further work had been done since 1991. This was
> surprising, to say the very least.
>
> 41.The hound work could have provided valuable evidence
> that a scrapie-like agent may have been present in cattle offal long
> before the BSE epidemic was recognised. The MAFF hound
> survey remains unpublished. Histopathological support to various other
> published
> MAFF experiments
>
> 42.These included neuropathological examination of material
> from experiments studying the attempted transmission of BSE to
> chickens and pigs (CVL 1991) and to mice (RVC 1994).
>
> http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/ws/s067.pdf
> nothing to offer scientifically;
> http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1991/10/17001001.pdf
> maddogs and Englishman
> http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1990/11/28001001.pdf
>
> Editorial: Things are really not as clear with dogs and TSE as you might
> think. The first thing was that the MAFF in the UK decided to do no
> scientific work investigating the cases (e.g. by inoculating them into
> animals), and that they were really not happy about discussing this with
the
> public. I was contacted by an Member of the UK Parliament in 1994
> concerning the possibility that a series of dogs near Doncaster had gone
> down with a similar condition that sounded very similar to BSE. The
animals
> were roughly the same age, and had been fed collectively by the owner.
The
> other main possibility was that the condition was due to a poisoning
element
> present in the food. A second group was in contact in around 1995 in
which
> the animals were considered to have been poisoned with heavy metals but no
> proof (or even investigation) seems to have taken place. This
determination
> by MAFF not to carry out any studies of inoculating BSE into dogs was
indeed
> strange at the time. The reason for this being so odd is that dogs are
> commonly available for experimental animals and it would be looked on as
> being a low cost experiment. However politically it is always extremely
bad
> to do experiments with loveable domestic dogs by inoculating them with a
> disease that could, to some degree be blamed on the incompitence of the
> government of the time.



Hound ataxia = BSE in canines?? Is that the inference of this communication? Or, that nobody wants to find out if it is or not due to the implications?...
« Last Edit: April 19, 2009, 08:48:41 AM by Offy » Logged
3catkidneyfailure
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4507

All the fur-kids count


« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2009, 11:22:02 AM »

FSE in cats:
Poco
http://itchmoforums.com/miscother-pet-discussions/uc-davis-vet-said-that-us-pets-have-escaped-bse-only-by-the-grace-of-god-t3685.0.html

Poco
http://itchmoforums.com/miscother-pet-discussions/you-and-your-cat-and-mad-cow-disease-t7244.0.html

Again we have the statement here that this BSE Final Rule without stating "pet food" includes pet food:
menusux
http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/high-bse-risk-material-banned-from-animal-food-t4591.0.html


http://www.vet.cornell.edu/FHC/resources/madcow.htm
From Cornell [and I don't know what to make of it either]

Feline spongiform encephalopathy, or FSE, is the cat form of the disease, and upwards of 100 cases have been reported in Great Britain and Europe, mostly during the BSE peak in the early to mid 1990's. British cats were believed to have gotten the disease by eating BSE-contaminated commercial cat food and butcher scraps, and the number of new cases in domestic cats plunged once measures to prevent BSE materials from entering the food chain were put into place; none has been reported since 1999. No cases in US cats have ever been reported.

Could it Happen Here?
Our growing understanding of TSE's is helping regulatory agencies expand the measures being taken to prevent BSE from ever becoming widespread in cattle here in the States. The regulation of what can or cannot be included in meat products approved for human consumption is an additional line of defense to protect people. But according to the FDA, products not approved for human consumption, and rendered products prohibited from cattle feed, are allowable for use in pet food. Nonetheless, such products must originate from countries free of BSE. (The FDA reports that none of the meat from the BSE-infected cow in Washington was released into distribution, so none of it could have wound up in pet food. Interestingly, some pet food manufacturers use only products approved for human consumption anyway.) As a further level of protection to cats, the FDA disallows importation into the US of any pet foods containing products derived from mammalian sources. So unless BSE were to become prevalent in cattle in the US, the risk of BSE-contaminated pet food is very small indeed.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2009, 11:42:57 AM by 3catkidneyfailure » Logged
menusux
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2474



« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 08:17:33 PM »

http://www.fda.gov/cvm/BSEFinalRule042209.htm

April 22, 2009

FDA Announces Confirmation of the Effective Date of the BSE Final Rule

The Food and Drug Administration today announced that the final rule entitled ‘‘Substances Prohibited From Use in Animal Food or Feed,’’ will become effective on April 27, 2009.  However, to allow renderers additional time to comply with the new requirements, the Agency has established a compliance date of October 26, 2009.  The additional 6 months will provide time for those affected to identify appropriate methods for disposing of material prohibited from use in animal feed by this rule.  FDA is encouraging affected parties who are able to begin complying with the rule to do so as soon as possible.

In the April 9, 2009, Federal Register FDA proposed to delay the effective date of the final rule for 60 days and provided a period of 7 days for public comment.  The agency received over 400 comments from state and national cattle producer organizations, individual cattle producers, renderers, meat processors, dairy organizations, State agriculture agencies, and consumers.

Many of the comments indicated that certain entities were not adequately prepared to comply with the final rule and that adequate alternative carcass disposal methods had not been developed. However, a significant number of comments received opposed delaying the effective date of the final rule due to public and animal health concerns.

In consideration of all comments received, FDA believes the most appropriate action is to confirm the April 27, 2009, effective date, and establish a compliance date of October 26, 2009, for those who need additional time to address compliance and implementation concerns.
Logged
Spartycats
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1045


« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2009, 08:23:31 AM »

Wisconsin Farm Bureau Federation weighs in:

"WFBF supports strengthening the ruminant feed ban in order to eliminate possible loopholes that might allow specified risk materials (SRM) to reach ruminants through misfeeding or cross-contamination.  Due to negligible chance of discovering BSE, WFBF believes that SRM could be included in pet food without a significant health risk. Better labeling, which is not part of the rule, would also help farmers with compliance, Bruins said."

http://www.dairyherd.com/news_editorial.asp?pgID=675&ed_id=8487
Logged
3catkidneyfailure
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4507

All the fur-kids count


« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2009, 04:28:14 PM »

So, Spartycats, just when I started to think maybe pets were being protected, that Wisconsin statement to me
indicates that pet food will be how they dispose of downers, then, and spinal chord and other SRM materials.
I wonder if a group of concerned consumers who handle pet food could get together and file suit saying it is
therefore unsafe for people to buy commercial pet food if it contains these SRM materials because of possible
BSE exposure from handling the pet food.
Logged
Spartycats
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1045


« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2009, 06:02:45 PM »

I'm hoping that he was just venting, since he calls this a "regulatory overreach" and an "economic disaster".  I'm still hoping pet food is included in this new rule on rendering and srm materials, as was stated here.  Still, ever vigilant...

Interesting angle for a suit, though.
Logged
Spartycats
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1045


« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2009, 06:27:08 AM »

FDA Issues Final Guidance for Renderers on Substances Prohibited From Use in Animal Food or Feed

http://www.fda.gov/cvm/BSEUpdate043009.htm
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Copyright 2007 Itchmo.com: Read the latest cat, dog and pet news, pet food recall info, product reviews and more — updated daily.
Powered by SMF 1.1.11 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC | Sitemap