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Title: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Carol on October 02, 2008, 09:06:45 AM
http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=22862


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 02, 2008, 09:17:19 AM
WTF is wrong with these a$$holes????????????????????????????????


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Pita_Purr_Parler on October 02, 2008, 09:24:39 AM
" Nor is the ethanol industry obligated to operate under the same restrictions as the food and feed industries. "

That means, oil dripping from machinery, filth and anything else isn't a concern. Without having any sensitivity in considering a living creature would be eating it.. undesirable creatures could bed down in it during storage and it's no big deal, dump whatever waste in with it... and ...... the answer to Aldrich has to be:

Only an idiot would put that in pet food at this point with the reputation of the pet food industry and their lobbyists. Trust  is low enough, you want it lower? Or: Do you really want consumers to remain afraid, very afraid of commercial pet foods?  Are you willing to lower your prices if you use more garbage? Are you willing to remove the words nutritious, healthy, quality, premium from any and all adertising?

Gosh, I could rant all day on this

Has the time come? H*** NO >:( >:(


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 02, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
It seems to me, Offy, all the pet food industry wants is higher profit margins. Could anything point
that out more clearly than this article?


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Sandi K on October 02, 2008, 09:55:18 AM
Do you suppose Mr. Greg Aldrich, PhD is willing to put this concoction in his own food and try it first?  Somehow I think the answer to that is no.  Please do us and our pets a favor, Mr Aldrich, and go find another job other than "new innovations" more poisons for pet food OK? 


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Katie on October 02, 2008, 12:59:51 PM
Carol, thank you for the article.

If I read correctly...food will have a higher yeast content?? lots of dogs have big problems with yeast allergy. Mycotoxin, alfatoxin, and vomitoxin amounts could be higher?  I agree let this guy eat the food! let him be the landfill instead of our pets. And he calls this going Green!

Katie


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Sandi K on October 02, 2008, 01:33:30 PM
I agree Katie!  Im tired of his science experiments on pet food, cant he find something better to do with his knowledge?  Im guessing he probably has a pretty high-paid contract with PFC's.   


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 02, 2008, 02:48:44 PM
I went back and read this for the third time.
Why is it there is no more food used in pet food?
I wish there was a way to get a message to Mr. Aldrich PhD

If memory serves me, there was an old Peanuts comic that said PhD really meant Pussycats, Horsed and Dogs...............Piled High and Deep is my interpretation.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Sandi K on October 02, 2008, 02:54:34 PM
Peg, your wish is my command.  Here's his e:mail addy.  Dr. Greg Aldrich is president of Pet Food & Ingredient Technology, Inc., which facilitates innovations in foods and ingredients for companion animals. Tel: +1.785.271.0238, E-mail: aldrich4@cox.net.   It was posted at the bottom of the article so I guess its OK to post it here too!   ;D


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 02, 2008, 03:02:51 PM
Thanks Sandi.
I have a lot to say to this bozo.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JustMe on October 02, 2008, 03:11:10 PM
I'm so disgusted, I can't think of what I want to say.  yewwwwww

I feel sorry for people who might end up unwittingly feeding this "ingredient" to their pets.  No....I feel sorry for the pets.   :'( :'(

 


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: catwoods on October 02, 2008, 03:22:54 PM
Stunned, and can't think of much to say except that I'd expect them to be looking for better ingredients, like things more closely related to an animal's natural diet, rather than worse. ??? ::)


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 02, 2008, 03:37:02 PM
If this is present in lower end pet foods already, what would be the label ingredient name? Corn meal? Or whatever grain was the
predominant one-meal? Or what? That might help people avoid choosing it.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: petslave on October 02, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
So beyond the fact that they have found yet another waste product to dump in the pet foods to cut their costs and keep their huge profits coming in, the labeling sounds really iffy.  You won't be able to tell what grain this ethanol waste product has in it:

"Adding to this variability, not all DDGS come exclusively from corn. Other feed grains can be and are used in the production of DDGS, and the net result will be an ingredient that is somewhat reflective of the parent material.  For that reason, the "predominating grain shall be declared as the first word in the name" on labels, according to the AAFCO 2006 Official Publication."

The results when tested on dogs (poor things) didn't even sould all that promising.  They will have to deal with a bunch of customers complaining about their dogs doing poorly on the food.  I don't even want to think about how cats will react to this stuff!

 


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: catbird on October 02, 2008, 03:41:31 PM
And cats and dogs with grain allergies would be at their mercy.  For example, two of my cats can tolerate rice, but not corn.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: 5CatMom on October 02, 2008, 03:52:01 PM
Here's Dr. Greg Aldrich's email address.  Maybe we could let him know how we feel.

aldrich4@cox.net.


Dear Dr. Aldrich,
What's wrong with you people?


5CatMom
=^..^=


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: dingbat on October 02, 2008, 03:58:10 PM
Crap like this makes my head explode

db


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: purringfur on October 02, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
Look at this!!  Susan Thixton on Dr. Greg Aldrich's idea to use ethanol waste in pet food.
  ROFL! 


"Allow me to interpret…The production of ethanol has raised the cost of otherwise cheap grains commonly used as protein in pet food. Ah, but I discovered something that we might have overlooked…and it´s even cheaper! After they process grain for ethanol, the left over garbage still analyzes as protein – goodie for us! Jump on this gang, before the price goes up!"

and...

"Interpretation: There is one problem, and it´s big… DDGS (left-overs from ethanol production) are extremely prone to a deadly mold that is known to be a killer of pets. Extensive research has shown it´s very risky. But remember, it´s cheap so it´s probably worth the risk.

As if the above isn´t bad enough…Dr. Aldrich feels petsumers will welcome this change: "Considering consumers generally have a favorable view of "green" ethanol…" Well Dr. Aldrich, we might not all have a PhD behind our name, but we certainly are not stupid! ´Green´ pet food is NOT huge piles left in the backyard or litter box!"

and...

"...AAFCO will graciously accommodate The Pet Food Industry with a nice, safe sounding ingredient name. Something like "Protein-rich Solubles" – after all…"left-over @#$% from the processing of ethanol" on a pet food label probably won´t sell much pet food."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/76284

I guess she feels the same way we do.  Well done, Susan!  A lot of us will write to him.



Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: MaineMom on October 02, 2008, 04:33:15 PM
Thanks for the link!  Here's the email I sent:

Dear Dr. Aldrich,

Now is not the time to add DDGS to pet food.  "Never" is the answer.  And no knowledgeable person trusts the PFI since 3/07.  The PFI needs to ban, not add, unnatural protein enhancing ingredients such as DDGS to achieve any level of credibility.  But you have provided another reason to home cook or only buy pet food products with substantiated whole food ingredients.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JJ on October 02, 2008, 10:04:18 PM
WTF are they thinking, excuse me, they think now? Two lines from the link:

Currently on a 'few' of the value brands of petfood are BRAVE (or stupid IMO) enough to incorporate DDGS in their formulas.

Requires a fine grind to prevent the kibble from having a FUZZY surface - like in hairy? YEWWWWWW

Article said this DDGS is not in wet food - only kibble.

What are those companies that put this in their products? This guy Aldrich is one sandwich short of a picnic IMO when he states that the consumers will like this as if to say we should be glad to do our part by feeding this cwap to our pets?

When will the pet food places wake up and smell the coffee - WE DO NOT WANT ANY ADULTERATED TOXINS, CWAP, LEFT OVER SLOP, IRRIADATION, UNFIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION JUNK IN OUR PETS FOOD - GET IT?


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Carol on October 03, 2008, 03:32:08 AM
Look at this!!  Susan Thixton on Dr. Greg Aldrich's idea to use ethanol waste in pet food.
  ROFL! 


"Allow me to interpret…The production of ethanol has raised the cost of otherwise cheap grains commonly used as protein in pet food. Ah, but I discovered something that we might have overlooked…and it´s even cheaper! After they process grain for ethanol, the left over garbage still analyzes as protein – goodie for us! Jump on this gang, before the price goes up!"

and...

"Interpretation: There is one problem, and it´s big… DDGS (left-overs from ethanol production) are extremely prone to a deadly mold that is known to be a killer of pets. Extensive research has shown it´s very risky. But remember, it´s cheap so it´s probably worth the risk.

As if the above isn´t bad enough…Dr. Aldrich feels petsumers will welcome this change: "Considering consumers generally have a favorable view of "green" ethanol…" Well Dr. Aldrich, we might not all have a PhD behind our name, but we certainly are not stupid! ´Green´ pet food is NOT huge piles left in the backyard or litter box!"

and...

"...AAFCO will graciously accommodate The Pet Food Industry with a nice, safe sounding ingredient name. Something like "Protein-rich Solubles" – after all…"left-over @#$% from the processing of ethanol" on a pet food label probably won´t sell much pet food."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/76284

I guess she feels the same way we do.  Well done, Susan!  A lot of us will write to him.



Susan Thixton was sent the link by one of our own!!  Thanks Anni she adds at the end!!! ;)  Think how far reaching her newsletter is!!!  Remember the last round of emails her article made happen! 
http://itchmoforums.com/making-a-difference/aafco-email-deleted-before-read-t5223.0.html;msg69720#msg69720



Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JanC on October 03, 2008, 05:57:37 AM
I was going to give Dr. Aldrich's email address but 5cat beat me to it......thanks 5cat.  I just sent this to him:

Dr. Aldrich:

I am a responsible pet parent who just read your article & I am beyond angry.  What is wrong with you & the rest of the pet food industry?  You are supposed to be responsible people making & selling healthy, nutritious pet food to sustain those little furry creatures that we happen to love.

Have you not learned anything from the horror of pet recall '07?  I knew absolutely nothing about pet food prior to the happenings of last year but I sure learned fast.  I researched day after day & there was nothing that I learned that pleased me or gave me confidence in the crap I've been feeding my beloved dog her whole life.  Instead, it made me sick, disgusted & angry, not to mention guilty that I'd been filling my dog full of chemicals & other crap that should never be in any food.

I know a note from one or two pet lovers won't do anything to change your mind but I had to say what's in my heart.  When are you going to make & sell a pet food that is actually good for my dog?  Or is money the only thing that matters to you & the rest of your buddies?

I'm sure you can find a use for DDGS that will fill your coffers with money & leave it out of pet food.

I hate to tell you this but the majority of pet parents DO NOT trust commercial pet food after all we found out last year, not to mention all the pet parents with sick or dead animals.  Many of them are still trying to nurse them back to health a year later.  Doesn't that bother you?  If it doesn't, I think you should find another line of work where it doesn't involve feeding innocent little furry creatures.



Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 03, 2008, 09:29:07 AM
Don't forget, Carol, who was intelligent enough to spot the article. Thank you.

We have to thank Dr. Aldrich for forewarning us about the next round of pet food deaths from
consuming mycotoxins aflatoxin and vomitotoxin. His level of concern is underwhelming. But at
least consumers know what to look for, those pesky ingredient formulations changes and lack
of quality control mistakes that are killing our pets.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Pita_Purr_Parler on October 03, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
3cat,

I was thinking that coming home last nite... to thank him for letting us know.

My gut says some pfc has probably already done it and that's his way of bringing it out into the open.. Somebody asked, maybe after the fact, and that's the result of it... in the open.

It reinforces the "no grains no glutens" pet food purchases that many of us try to follow as way of keeping as much distance as possible between our pets & grain pesticides, grain toxins, etc...and the greedy pfc/pfi using scraps, brewers rice, gmos, etc with a continued lack of concern for the animal health. 

Since the FDA didn't mention MARC (including cyanuric acid) levels in the pet foods with their recent announcements, I can't help but worry again about pets and crystals... and once more the article respresents another example of the depraved mentality of the industry & their lobbyists...

I would not be surprised to find that there are more grain garbage offals from processing similar to the article (like soy, rice, barley, oats) which are already being used in the pet foods...

.. and I say a silent prayer daily that the next day is the day that EWG releases the results of their pet food tests.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: purringfur on October 03, 2008, 11:01:23 AM
I just emailed Dr. Aldrich a nice letter of my thoughts.   ;D  I had to come up with a couple of good ones to put in there.   ;)  Heh!  Heh!  Heh!  I told him there were many of us watching and reporting what the PFI is up to. 


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: menusux on October 07, 2008, 12:03:19 PM
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/10/6/105517/371/

Gristmill October 7, 2008

Ethanol waste: Good for Rover?

"Should the mush left over after the ethanol process -- known as distillers grains -- be fed to farm animals?

"There's been little real debate around that question, even though a) heavy use of distillers grains as cow feed has been linked to deadly E. Coli 0157H7 outbreaks; and b), the mush has been shown to contain all manner of residues from the ethanol process, including industrial chemicals and antibiotics.

"While questions surrounding distillers grains as animal feed hang around, the pet-food industry is seriously considering adding the stuff to cat and dog food; indeed, a few producers already are. According to a pet-food industry consultant:

"Currently, only a few of the "value brands" of petfood are brave enough to incorporate DDGS [a common type of distillers grains] in their formulas."

And if you check back to the original story, you'll see that it is already being done by some PFC's.

http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=22862%20

"Currently, only a few of the "value brands" of petfood are brave enough to incorporate DDGS in their formulas."

Let's see if we can compile a list of those "value brands" who use DDGS here.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JJ on October 07, 2008, 12:42:31 PM
Menusux went to the original article and didn't see any pet food company mentioned in it. Is there another link to click to get the names of the ones using this cwap?


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: menusux on October 07, 2008, 12:46:15 PM
WE need to do the investigating to find out who's using them.  I just got some more information on DDGS in PF and need to go through it before posting it.  I did find a supplement who's using them and I'll post all of what I have as soon as I go through it and organize it.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Carol on October 07, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
I am going to call Merrick and Nature's Variety..and will post here...


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: menusux on October 07, 2008, 01:21:57 PM
OK--so far:

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients

Ingredients to avoid

Corn Distillers Dried Grains With Solubles

"Distillers Dried Grains with solubles (DDGS) is the product obtained by condensing and drying the stillage that remains after fermenting the starch in corn or milo in the production of ethyl alcohol.

"An inexpensive byproduct used as protein filler in cheap dog foods. Its amino acids are poorly balanced, not very digestible, have a high fiber content and nutritional value can vary greatly from batch to batch. Better suited as cattle feed."
 
http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/16812/a-new-set-of-standards-for-ddgs

January 14, 2008
A New Set of Standards for DDGS

"The National Grain and Feed Association (NGFA) has advised the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) that existing regulatory and industry frameworks, as well as prudent contracting practices, are sufficient to facilitate the trading of distillers grains. It also suggests that the federal government develops standards for biofuels.

"The NGFA’s membership encompasses all sectors of the industry, including country, terminal and export elevators; feed mills; cash grain and feed merchants; end users of grain and grain products, including processors, flour millers, and livestock and poultry integrators; commodity futures brokers and commission merchants; and allied industries, such as railroads, barge lines, banks, grain exchanges, insurance companies, computer software firms, and engineering and design/construct companies. In addition, the NGFA consists of 35 affiliated state and regional U.S. grain and feed associations, as well as two international affiliated associations. The NGFA also has strategic alliances with the Grain Elevator and Processing Society and Pet Food Institute, and is co-located and jointly operates with the North American Export Grain Association."  

http://articles.directorym.net/AFIA_leads_industry_into_a_new_century_of_opportunity-a914353.html

AFIA leads industry into a new century of opportunity

DDGS

"One of the hottest topics currently facing the industry and nation concerns distillers dried grain with solubles (DDGS). AFIA has been participating in a number of working groups to address regulatory concerns and use limitations of DDGS."

http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/info-companion.htm

University of MN "home page" for DDGS information--has various article links.

http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/articles-companion/2004-Hill-%20Alternative%20proteins%20in--.pdf

Alternative Proteins in Companion Animal Nutrition
Pet Food Association of Canada 2004

BTW--this is also a good source for the description of those alternative proteins such as corn gluten, wheat gluten, RPC and so on.

http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/articles-companion/2006-Shurson-%20Effect%20of%20feeding%20DDGS%20to%20horses%20and%20companion%20animals.pdf

Effect of Feeding DDGS to Companion Animals

Paper notes very little research has been done into the issue.

http://www.ifbf.org/programs/commodity/information/ddgs.pdf

Where will all the DDGS go?

Iowa Farm Bureau 2006

Page 1

"People are even putting DDGS in dog food supplements (amaize) http://www.amaize.com and lick blocks for horses, sheep, deer and elk http://www.goldenlyk.com 

"But there's still a challenge to find a market for all those DDGS."

https://ecommerce.4w.com/amaize/secure.htm

Amaize--buy it in biscuits or granule form

http://www.aboutus.org/AMaize.com

Marsland Laboratories
3501 South 6th
Lincoln NE 68502 US

I have not found a link between Marsland Labs and Mars Inc. (so far!)


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Carol on October 08, 2008, 07:40:00 AM
Have one response so far...emailed to me today, Oct 8..

Dear Ms. Vxxxxxxxx,

 

Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We do not use distiller dried grains with soluble otherwise known as  DDGS in our products.   We use only quality ingredients in our products and go to great efforts to source these in addition to using as many organic ingredients as possible.   We hope you find this information helpful and we appreciate your patronage to Nature’s Variety.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Customer Service

Nature’s Variety  


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JanC on October 08, 2008, 11:39:20 AM
Three cheers for NV...... ;D :D 8)


One down, only a few hundred others to check on...... ??? :-\


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: Carol on October 08, 2008, 01:00:13 PM
and here is Merrick's reply...

Hello Carol,

 

Thank you for your inquiry.  We do not use DDG’s in our products. 

 

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do for you.

 

Thank you,

DeDe

Merrick Pet Care


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JustMe on October 09, 2008, 08:31:27 AM
Response from Wellness:

Our entire Wellness line is made of human-grade ingredients, therefore, do not contain the ingredients that you are inquiring about.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: StillGoingNutz on October 09, 2008, 10:13:14 AM
Thank you

Just Me for the answer from Wellness still using Wellness dry as a snack at night.  Was concerned it maybe one of the ones using the DDG's


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: menusux on October 11, 2008, 12:23:59 PM
Even though this is a piece about DDGS in livestock feed, it's interesting from the standpoint that DDGS are not all "created equal"--the composition of them differs from production to production.

http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008b/080925IlelejiDDGS.html

Purdue University September  25, 2008
Ag engineers: Production issues dragging down DDGS

"An ethanol byproduct suitable for livestock feed could be easier sold and used if it was more uniform each time it is produced, said two Purdue University agricultural engineers.

"Dry distillers' grains with solubles (DDGS), the grain product left over after ethanol is produced from corn, is often chemically different from ethanol plant to ethanol plant and, sometimes, even within a plant, said Klein Ileleji and Richard Stroshine. Those differences can create shipping, storage and livestock feeding challenges, they said.

""The big issue with DDGS is the fact that the product is so variable,"
Ileleji said. "Obviously, that can have a huge impact on the final product and how it is handled."

""If livestock producers don't have a consistent feed product, it makes it difficult for them to cost effectively formulate a good feed that will provide their animals with the nutrition they need," Stroshine said.

"DDGS can take on different physical properties from batch to batch during the ethanol extraction and post-extraction processes, Stroshine said.

""In that process we break the corn down and let the starch ferment into ethanol," he said. "Whatever is left - the liquid remaining after ethanol is removed, along with the hulls, the germ, the protein and the gluten material - goes into the DDGS. These leftovers are separated into solid and liquid portions. The solids are sent to a rotary dryer, where different amounts of the liquid condensed solubles can be added back. Differences in the amounts of solubles added cause variations in composition and particle size."

"Individual DDGS particles can be larger or smaller, meaning some particles might be holding more sugars, oil and moisture than others, Ileleji said. When that happens, and under favorable environmental conditions such as high humidity and temperatures, DDGS particles can stick together and form clumps, or what Ileleji calls caking. Problems occur when DDGS cake up in bulk shipments transported by rail car or other means.

""When the product cakes up it can be very difficult to unload," Ileleji said. "That makes DDGS expensive to move. Because the product can cake up, two major rail carriers have stopped transporting DDGS.""

If DDGS are so inconsistent that there's a question as to the nutrition they deliver to livestock, it would seem that the same question would apply to their use in pet foods also.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JJ on October 12, 2008, 09:27:46 PM
Thx for the differences in the final batches of this stuff-DDG's. Still could not with a clear conscience feed this to my pet.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: karvskitties on November 01, 2008, 07:49:19 AM
Just read this thread, wonder about Eagle Pack Holistic dry (I use that occasionally for Baby Girl for a little fiber) - though I have been moving to all wet.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: menusux on August 03, 2009, 06:26:09 AM
http://www.allaboutfeed.net/news/distiller%E2%80%99s-grains-raising-antibiotic-concerns-id3413.html

AllAboutFeed July 21, 2009

"Several studies have indicated that distiller’s grains contain antibiotics, which have been used to kill bacteria in the ethanol distilling process.

"The distillation process requires a combination of enzymes and yeast to convert corn into ethanol. But bacterial organisms present during distillation can sometimes out-compete yeast in the breakdown of this sugar.
 
"The easiest way to kill these bacteria is to use antibiotics, which not only linger following distillation; they also appear to be passed along to cattle in the DG.
 
"Until now, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) hasn’t made a point of using antibiotics in ethanol distillation, but this may change.
 
"Samples of DG requested from 60 ethanol plants revealed the presence of four types of antibiotics: penicillin, virginiamycin, erythromycin and tylosin.
 
"Currently there already is a concern about the use of antibiotics in feed fed to poultry and pigs.
 
"A growing number of medical authorities fear that minute traces of antibiotics that have leaked through the path of feed and manure into the drinking water promote the growth of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
 
"Water treatment facilities are not equipped to remove these antibiotic traces from drinking water.
 
"Also medical researchers are unsure of the extent to which these small traces of antibiotics in drinking water may contribute to the growing problem associated with antibiotic resistance."


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: The Cats Mother on August 04, 2009, 01:38:48 AM
Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We do not use distiller dried grains with soluble otherwise known as  DDGS in our products.   We use only quality ingredients in our products and go to great efforts to source these in addition to using as many organic ingredients as possible.   We hope you find this information helpful and we appreciate your patronage to Nature’s Variety.


Hmmm. This sounds very familiar to something another pet food company I know just over the border from you might have said. Probably tell you they're a small family company next.

And as for this:

Our entire Wellness line is made of human-grade ingredients, therefore, do not contain the ingredients that you are inquiring about.

I've heard that one before as well.


There's only one way to end this madness.
Put the fxxxxxs out of business.
Go to your butcher and buy human grade meat and mix it with some of your own cooked vegetables. Meat on the bone. The occasional egg mixed in. Some raw bones to keep the teeth clean and breath sweet. Bake some small biscuits now and then from mashed veggies and dried liver sprinkles with some mashed rice and an egg to bind.
Make commercial pet food obsolete. >:( >:( >:(

Sorry to soapbox and hijack.

As you were...


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JJ on August 05, 2009, 01:05:55 AM
The Cats Mother couldn't agree more. Please get on the soapbox as much as you want. We are all here to listen.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: lesliek on August 05, 2009, 06:36:25 AM
I agree,I know everyone can't cook but even adding some homecooked or just meat scraps will help !


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: menusux on April 13, 2010, 12:41:24 PM
http://www.ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=6512

Ethanol Producer Magazine April 12, 2010

DDGS symposium set for May in Indianapolis

"The Distillers Grain Technology Council is hosting the14th annual Distillers Grains Symposium May 12-13 at the Sheraton Hotel and Suites at Keystone Crossing, Indianapolis, Ind.

"Several speakers at the two day event will be addressing distillers grain markets, including Dale Hill, ADM Alliance Nutrition Inc., speaking on the pet food industry expectations; Mike Blair, Pilgrim’s Pride Corp., on DDGS in broiler diets; and Tony Pescatore, University of Kentucky, on DDGS in poultry diets. Marketing issues will be covered by speakers including Daniel O’Brien, Kansas State University, on measuring supply; Linwood Hoffman, USDA, on analytical challenges regarding supply, consumption and price relationships; Sean Broderick, CHS Inc., on logistics; and, Richard Jelenik, CME Group, on DDG futures. Other speakers will cover mycotoxins, corn oil recovery, carbon budgets and sustainable corn production, amino acid profiles and regulating feed issues.

"The event organizers expect about 200 producers and industry professionals to attend. For the complete program and conference details, visit www.distillersgrain.org/symposium.

Just a reminder that the push to use DDGS in pet food hasn't disappeared.  >:(


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on April 13, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
Boycotting the existing commercial products is crucial for future generations of companion animals. It's the only way
to stop this dispose of our waste products in commercial pet food madness.


Title: Re: DDG's in Pet Food
Post by: JJ on April 13, 2010, 08:16:25 PM
Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We do not use distiller dried grains with soluble otherwise known as  DDGS in our products.   We use only quality ingredients in our products and go to great efforts to source these in addition to using as many organic ingredients as possible.   We hope you find this information helpful and we appreciate your patronage to Nature’s Variety.


Hmmm. This sounds very familiar to something another pet food company I know just over the border from you might have said. Probably tell you they're a small family company next.

And as for this:

Our entire Wellness line is made of human-grade ingredients, therefore, do not contain the ingredients that you are inquiring about.

I've heard that one before as well.


There's only one way to end this madness.
Put the fxxxxxs out of business.
Go to your butcher and buy human grade meat and mix it with some of your own cooked vegetables. Meat on the bone. The occasional egg mixed in. Some raw bones to keep the teeth clean and breath sweet. Bake some small biscuits now and then from mashed veggies and dried liver sprinkles with some mashed rice and an egg to bind.
Make commercial pet food obsolete. >:( >:( >:(

Sorry to soapbox and hijack.

As you were...

Please list out what to use, quantities etc. for the small biscuit recipe. That sounds delish and Foxy Lady would love it. Sorry I missed asking about this earlier.