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Title: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 10:34:36 AM
I can't believe what I just read at another forum:
http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120438

They had a sticky about recalled food. The link to the list gave me a 404 error so I made a post informing them that the link no longer worked.

The above link goes to the response written by a poster who is apparently the forums local 'food expert guru' who says: (bolding mine)
Quote
"Which was march to april of 2007 for most and into june 2007 for the later one s... WE DO NOT need to revive it as it is NO longer an issue.."

Please read the entire post!

edited to add:
That forum has a 'rule' against posting links to (promoting) other forums.



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: Carol on December 31, 2007, 11:33:04 AM
If I hadn't read it with my own eyes----first --I do not understand why the posted response to yours is bolded in certain places----     second -- I can't believe this is a cat lover's site-- and third -Thank God for Itchmo-----



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: JustMe on December 31, 2007, 11:45:13 AM
We need a shaking head in disbelief emoticon.   :-X

Someone has to watch over all the poor kitties whose parents don't have knowledge.

At least they have a forum for IMO posts.

Which everybody should be adding to their posts here like Ben said to do way back when, "in my opinion", etc., etc.

Legalities.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 11:55:12 AM
Oy, I've stirred up a hornets nest over there:

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2112493&posted=1#post2112493

Thanks, menusux for the pm'd help!


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on December 31, 2007, 12:17:19 PM
Thanks, Mary, for carrying your convictions over to other areas.  Takes guts and knowledge
that the glossy ads you read, imho, represent no real change in the diseases caused by
chemically concocted congealed crap pet food. 3cats


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: kb on December 31, 2007, 12:18:58 PM
From thecatsite: "companies have changed or put into place safety s so it cant happen again"

How wrong they are.



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on December 31, 2007, 12:33:37 PM
i think i added to your nest   ;D


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: Carol on December 31, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
straybaby, I am proud of you---the truth is the truth!!!!! :D


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on December 31, 2007, 12:52:09 PM
lol!~ you would think the info Mary was posting was 10 years old the way they were responding to it! do they really want to keep their heads buried in the sand and believe the very people that poisoned the pets?! insane i tell ya!


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 01:16:01 PM
I think they DELETED the thread! They kept saying that it was 'off topic.'

How can it be off-topic?



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on December 31, 2007, 01:19:59 PM
then i guess you missed sharky's reply to me?!

said that the FDA refusal for Nov was about code issues!! it CLEARLY says poison on the Nutro product! they SO don't want to hear it. UNBELIEVABLE!



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: JustMe on December 31, 2007, 01:23:03 PM
How can it be off-topic?


Wasn't it a thread about UTI in cats?

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Looks like we have a "rep"utation over there.  Read down aways, too.

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152041&highlight=Itchmo



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on December 31, 2007, 01:24:55 PM
yeah, and what to feed. Nutro came up as a good UTI food. Um, not if it's toxic and causes ARF!   :o


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 01:37:31 PM
How can it be off-topic?


Wasn't it a thread about UTI in cats?

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Looks like we have a "rep"utation over there.  Read down aways, too.

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152041&highlight=Itchmo



"paranoid, fear mongers"  ???  OY!

The topic was "Food recommendation"  for a kitty that had crystals and someone recommended Nutro. Don't you think they would want to know that Nutro had ingredients not suited for the kitty - no, our posts were NOT off topic. Nutro contains GMO corn. Therefore, just pointing out that fact is not 'hijacking the thread' IMO.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 01:45:43 PM
then i guess you missed sharky's reply to me?!
then i guess you missed sharky's reply to me?!

said that the FDA refusal for Nov was about code issues!! it CLEARLY says poison on the Nutro product! they SO don't want to hear it. UNBELIEVABLE!

Yeah, I did miss your post. I was trying to post a reply when it disappeared.

It's a good thing that I haven't answered their 2 pm's to me yet. I'm waiting until I can gather some info together and make my own web page and just send that to answer the pm's. Wouldn't want to get banned for posting a link here to itchmo, now would I?


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: catbird on December 31, 2007, 01:59:21 PM
Isn't that forum sponsored by one of the big pet food companies?  I don't mean advertising, I mean actually run by.  If so, that would explain their attitude, which, by the way, makes me either want to jump up and down and scream (we also need an emoticon for that), or vomit  :-X


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 02:13:48 PM
Isn't that forum sponsored by one of the big pet food companies?  I don't mean advertising, I mean actually run by.  If so, that would explain their attitude, which, by the way, makes me either want to jump up and down and scream (we also need an emoticon for that), or vomit  :-X

dunno, but if it is - Nutro maybe? :D


 
If you look at their 'Rainbow Bridge' forum there is a lot of pets that they claim have had FIP. Maybe they are calling an illness caused by the food as a mis RX for FIP.

 

Sorry, Just Me, I didn't mean this post to be taken that way.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on December 31, 2007, 02:32:05 PM
i got one of the PM's also. basically telling us not to bash Nutro. funny thing is, i don't recall mentioning Nutro once! lol!~ everything i said including my opinion of what the OP should feed was generaly, non-specific, suggestions and my opinion! and of  course a more current link to the refusal report  ;D i wonder why it's ok to say Nutro is a good UTI food but not that it might not be . . . imo, no kibble is a good UTI food  :P also, giving a heads up on GMO's should be allowed . . . .


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: JustMe on December 31, 2007, 02:42:01 PM
There is nothing amusing about FIP and Rainbow Bridge.  FIP was in the differential diagnoses for one of my cats recently who has been sick. 

I need to be away from here awhile.  Later.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 03:09:40 PM
straybaby,
I must have gotten the same pm from the catsite as you did telling me not to 'bash' Nutro. I see a banning coming my way.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 03:38:16 PM
The Thread is back - missing lots of posts!


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: 5CatMom on December 31, 2007, 04:39:48 PM
Is that catsite forum for real?  Some of the posts sound like pet food industry hype. 

5CatMom
=^..^=


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on December 31, 2007, 05:28:18 PM
The Thread is back - missing lots of posts!

ok, think i did ok this time?!   ;D


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on December 31, 2007, 05:59:45 PM
Here is the link to who started the cat site forum.

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149957

Quote
1) When was The Cat Site started? It seems to be the most popular of all the cat forums I've found so far - why is this?
This last October, the site celebrated its 7th anniversary. The Site owner, Anne, started the forum to share information about cats and has been doing a great job.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: catbird on January 01, 2008, 06:58:13 AM
Question is, does Anne work for someone else?  Do some of the posters work for someone else?


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: EricV2 on January 01, 2008, 07:26:36 AM
I post on The Cat Site forums and, for the most part, it's very informative. There are certainly people there who are much more lax in what they feed, as Nutro is quite popular, but on the other hand, I haven't seen a single complaint from any of the Nutro feeders.

As a regular there, I've never gotten the impression that there was any agenda, but I do somewhat frown upon "Sharky" giving so much "advice" on what to feed. I do know she's a vet tech that flat out says that most vets know nothing of nutrition. I also know that Sharky feeds a whole array of different canned foods, so I highly doubt that she's working for some company.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on January 01, 2008, 09:03:22 AM
Thanks EricV2, for giving us that balanced view of the site. I stumbled onto the site from a link that I had found at the pets ca site. At first I was a bit confused by all of their 'toys' that you can 'buy' and a bit angry that at the time you first sign up, you are only allowed storage of 5 pm's because that is when lots of members are sending pm's to you because you are new. But after I had 'earned' my upgrade to 10 then it was not so  inconvenient. Personally, I think they should start out with 10 and raise it to fifteen. 

It sure is a fast-paced forum. But I'm still shaking my head at the deletion of the information that both myself and straybaby had posted to that topic. What we had written was not off-topic and we didn't 'high-jack' the thread as they had claimed. The OP had asked for advice on what to feed her UTI cat and that was what we were doing.

It makes one glad that we have Itchmo where opinions are not 'censored' and no one has to 'earn privileges' !




Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: JJ on January 01, 2008, 10:23:14 AM
Well glad those people do not post over here as us Pet Food Snobs would have them for dinner! Sheesh just cause one or two people state that their sister, brother or friend fed this food and had no problems go ahead and use it? So does that mean the folks on that site follow the pied piper and go along?

So very glad we have people on here who take the time and effort to post important facts for all to read and make their own wise judgements on - not just go along to get along type of mentality. Bet we have saved more pets from harm than any  other site out there thanks to Itchmo!


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on January 01, 2008, 10:28:44 AM
"but I do somewhat frown upon "Sharky" giving so much "advice" on what to feed."

i had a problem that she does use the word advice. also have a hard time reading her writing style, but that's prob just my brain, lol!  ;D


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on January 01, 2008, 01:29:20 PM
I just posted a new thread over there and of course 'sharky' was the first to reply and said some of it was 'out-dated'.

Did I stir the pot again?? I'm just going to let it run its course, but if any one wants to add a little fuel - be my guest :D

My post :
~~~~~~~~~~~
Any One Read This Book?
While searching at amazon, I stumbled upon this book. Has anyone read it? What does it cover?

Food Pets Die For: Shocking Facts About Pet Food
by Ann N. Martin (Author

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153074


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: BruinMike on January 02, 2008, 05:41:17 PM
Some people obviously didn't get the message.

What the pet food crisis has uncovered goes far deeper
that one greedy Chinese manufacturer.

The crisis uncovered huge flaws in the entire U.S.
pet food safety apparatus.


We found lack of inspections, grossly inadequate labeling
standards, pathetic customs inspection procedures,
and virtually complete lack of regulation as just a few
things that were part of the "Chain of Tears".

We got part of what we wanted with the new bill that
was passed in September and signed into law.

But guess what action the FDA and HHS have taken in
response to this new law????

AAFCO has not even been contacted yet to develop
new labeling, production, and ingredient standards as
mandated by the new law.

There will also be a new bill coming out this spring which will
work on Certification of foreign inspection and production
standards BEFORE any food imports are allowed.

We've still got a long, long way to go.

Mike
DefendOurPets.org


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: straybaby on January 02, 2008, 05:46:47 PM
"AAFCO has not even been contacted  yet to develop
new labeling, production, and ingredient standards as
mandated by the new law."

shouldn't someone be getting on their ass about that?!   >:(


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: BruinMike on January 02, 2008, 10:11:41 PM
I've contacted Dr. Burkholder directly.

Also, I'll be at the AAFCO meeting at the end of the month.

Mike


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: Sandi K on January 02, 2008, 10:34:32 PM
MarySmith,  its a little off topic but did you see what is right below Sharky's post?  An advertisement that says "Get the Stink Out"......seems rather fitting, dont ya think?   ;)

Mike,  so they let anyone into those AAFCO meetings?  Im surprised as they normally have the 'circle your wagons' mentality.  I will love to hear from you after your attendance at the meeting and I would love to be a fly on the wall there if you are given a chance to say anything.  Thank you Mike!


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on January 02, 2008, 10:44:49 PM
Here's another post I made:

Salmonella Found - Hartz Mountain Vitamins Recalled
http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2115775#post2115775


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: BruinMike on January 02, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
Hi Sandi,

Defendourpets.org is a group we started back in April initially consisting
of about 300 pet parents that had lost a pet to the contamination.

Our group at defendourpets.org carefully read the proposed legislation
earlier this year. ALL of the bills seemed to agree on one thing, namely
that HHS and the FDA needed to come up with new standards of labeling,
production, and ingredients. Most of the proposed bills even stated that
"HHS and the FDA will consult with AAFCO and others for recommendations.

With this in mind, I noticed that the incoming President of AAFCO was
a fellow Texan. I contacted him and the outgoing President from Wisconsin
back in June. In our discussions, they disclosed that the primary advisory
members consisted of representatives of the PFI. They said that
they would really like to have a consumer representative.

As a result, DefendOurPets.org is now an advisory member on the
Pet Food Committee and 3 other committees of AAFCO. I will be
sitting-in directly on these meetings with an opportunity for input.
This is the first time in a long time that the pet food consumer has
had any voice at all.

The PFI and DefendOurPets.org are both simply advisory members.
We have no vote, neither do they.

We presented our first white paper on labeling suggestions at
their mid-summer meeting in Grand Rapids.

Since we knew that AAFCO would be tasked with coming up
with new recommendations to the FDA and HHS, we felt
it was imperative for the consumer to have a voice in these
deliberations.


To our surprise (we had been told a lot of negative things
about AAFCO), the actual people of AAFCO have welcomed
us with enthusiasm. They don't like the bad rep either.

Hope this explains what I mean when I say that they will
get the message.

I'm delivering it myself.

Thanks,

Mike Floyd
mike@defendourpets.org





Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: Mandycat on January 02, 2008, 11:20:38 PM
Mary -
     I think your vitamin post at catsite was misinterpreted.  This is not a new recall.  The information that was posted on another thread here is a repeat of the information from the recall in November 2007.  Maybe you should clarify so that you don't get accused of spreading a rumor.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on January 02, 2008, 11:50:38 PM
Thanks, Mandycat. I just updated the post. But that is why I made no extra comments - just posted what was on the FDA site. I did not state it was a 'new' or 'another' recall. The report states that it is 'on going'.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: Mandycat on January 02, 2008, 11:52:36 PM
Mary -
     Your post was okay, but from the comment I could see that it was misinterpreted and thought to be a second recall.  Glad you made it clear so you don't get into any more trouble over there!  ;)


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on January 03, 2008, 12:15:55 AM
As long as my posts don't break any of their rules, I should be ok. If someone misunderstands them , well . . .It IS a discussion board.

But Thanks for your correction - I'm grateful that you did bring it to my attention.



Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: MarySmith on January 03, 2008, 12:31:57 AM
Good idea, Klondike!


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: kaffe on January 03, 2008, 03:49:09 AM
I'm very late to this most interesting thread... I followed and read the links and I must say that in a way I am not too surprised that a long-standing cat forum would take this tack on the recall, burying its head and pretending "its over - petfoods have been reformulated - everything is OK now."  What a dangerous mindset.  Like Mike said, it totally overlooks or has forgotten all the flaws in the petfood processing and regulatory business that the recall uncovered.  Its for this reason that I am so glad I found this Itchmo forum where WE don't forget and don't get comfy-complacent with the status quo until the next BIG recall hits... because I have a nagging feeling that contaminated petfood will happen again.


Title: Re: Some Think the Recall is Over!
Post by: Sandi K on January 03, 2008, 07:56:10 AM
Mike, that is wonderful!  It really makes me feel better that the consumer is at least having some voice.  Thank you!  I cant wait to hear your report back about the meeting.   :)