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Title: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 21, 2007, 05:00:58 PM
Hi everyone. Been off the forums for the last couple of weeks first because of
computer trouble, and now need best wishes and prayers for my little girl, IQ. In addition
to high blood pressure and chronic renal failure, she now has diabetes mellitus.
So we're trying to get her insulin regulated, and I'm sticking her in the neck for fluids
and the back legs for insulin, bless her heart. I'm sure she still wants to be here because
she's eating like a trucker and otherwise alert and responsive. If she won't quit, I sure
hope I can do what she needs. Poor lady had an ultrasound and now has a bare tummy, too!
Hugs to all and every pet that counts --
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Petra on September 21, 2007, 05:19:03 PM
3Cats, You and IQ are on my prayer & best wishes list.  Eating is a good sign and she has decided to be a fighter!  You are both partners in the battle and bless her heart she knows you are doing it for her.  I'm sure it's very stressfull for you too, so remember to take care of yourself... so you can take care of her.
sending you both hugs.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: MrsP on September 21, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
3cat, prayers and positive thoughts for you and IQ.
Group hug!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 21, 2007, 05:31:36 PM
3cats,

Keeping IQ and you in my prayers, sending positive thoughts your way, as always.  Great that she is eating.   {{hugs}}

JustMe


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on September 21, 2007, 05:57:30 PM
Tons of good thoughts to you and IQ, from me and my own orange girl. (Isn't the shaved belly so cute? With the orange fur, it really does look like peach fuzz when it starts growing back. :D )


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: dingbat on September 21, 2007, 07:01:02 PM
3cat

You are in our prayers

db and family


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 21, 2007, 07:27:00 PM
Thanks so much, my friends, for wishing IQ well. It's pretty serious right
now because of all the things that could get out of whack here. Changed
vets to be closer to emergency services in case of diabetic problems. So hold
good thoughts.

db, glad you're back on, too, and will take every prayer you've got.

Need help with giving injections in back legs if someone can describe best
angle. Can't give insulin in the area of fluids because if went into fluids bubble, insulin
won't work. Unfortunately vet didn't tell me that until I called back and asked. So
do you want to go parallel to the ground when injecting back legs or perpendicular to
the ground? Needles are very small and does not seem to hurt, but want to know optimum
direction, up and down to ground, or parallel to it. Also was told you want to use thigh
area, where is more loose skin.  Thanks much for help if you know for sure. See vet next
Wednesday; so kind of winging it for now.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: kaffe on September 21, 2007, 07:30:12 PM
awe...  :'(  IQ will be in my prayers now.  The will to live is half the battle, so they say.  I'll pray for you too 3Cat... for strength and wisdom and healing hands to deal with IQ's condition.  Please keep us posted on developments if you can. 


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 21, 2007, 09:41:53 PM
Here is a website about diabetic cats - http://www.sugarcats.com/headquarters.asp. They may be able to answer your questions. We had a diabetic cat for two and a half years but we gave the insulin between the shoulders because we did not have to give fluids at the same time. Keeping you and IQ in our thoughts and prayers.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 22, 2007, 06:15:24 AM
Thank you for website links. They have some great advice.

Need to ask this question, because it is driving me nuts. How many of you out there
had a crf cat go diabetic????????????????????????????????????????????????

There's a real question in my mind about a medication that IQ was given in the steroid
family. Her reaction was not good at all. Took me three days of phone calls and hasseling
the vet to get it stopped. And I wonder if it didn't bring this on.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: MrsP on September 22, 2007, 06:21:52 AM
My vet says steroids are notorious for Cushings and Diabetes.  TeenyCat has skin issues and he said absolutely no steroids, she's too young, could end up with diabetes, Cushings, etc.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: shibadiva on September 22, 2007, 06:49:21 AM
Thinking good thoughts for you and IQ.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: jenny on September 22, 2007, 07:44:19 AM
Saying a prayer for you and IQ. 

Jenny


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 22, 2007, 08:00:30 AM
Prayers accepted and welcome, all.

The worst thing is you don't know if undiagnosed diabetes caused the crf or vice-versa. And it doesn't matter
because you have to treat your beloved friend as long as they keep trying.

Steroid meds were for IBD and may have done this, too, apparently.

All I know for sure is I love this cat beyond measure and will learn to do whatever I have to. So hugs and prayers
to the rest of you going through this pet food "special," which is more difficult and heartbreaking than any of those
lousy manufacturers know. And God grant us the wisdom to help our fur-kids--
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on September 22, 2007, 08:08:37 AM
Don't drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what caused this. I know it's hard, but it won't help IQ now. Try to save that energy to take care of her and yourself. Continued good thoughts.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 5CatMom on September 22, 2007, 11:34:33 AM
3cat,

Furry hugs and sandpaper kisses to you and IQ.  Hope you get her better real soon.

5CatMom


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: MarySmith on September 22, 2007, 12:26:29 PM
3cat,

Hugs and prayers are going to both IQ and you.

MarySmith


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 22, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
Encouragement is priceless. Thanks to everyone. And you're right, OF, to put
the focus back on addressing the care and treatment; double thanks!
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Mandycat on September 22, 2007, 04:12:07 PM
3cat -
     Sorry to hear about IQ.  Will keep you both in my prayers.  As far the insulin shots, I suggest that you get a demo from the vet or tech so you can better see what to do.  However, I will try to describe it for you here.  An insulin shot is given in the subcutaneous tissue and not into the muscle.  So, on the leg where there is loose skin, grab the loose skin and pull it up in a little bunch.  Insert the needle at about a 30 to 45 degree angle so that it is going just into the skin and fat under the skin and not into the leg muscle.  Draw back on the plunger of the syringe just a tiny bit and if you see no blood, inject the insulin.   This is not a hard procedure to learn, but you really should see it demonstrated for you and explained in detail.  You can also use an orange to practice handling the needle and get the feel of inserting it and injecting.  Have some help in the beginning.  Cats can sometimes become moving targets, but with practice you will eventually be able to do it by yourself.  Alternate legs and rotate slightly different spots on each leg so that you are not always giving it in the same spot.  Ask to be shown all the possible sites that could be used.  If you do a search on the web, there are probably sites that give pictures to show what to do.  Hope this helps some, but definitely get more help than this before you try it.  Good luck!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 22, 2007, 05:53:54 PM
Hey, Mandycat. Thanks for description. Been doing crf subcutaneous fluids
at home for about five months now. However, vet who handed me insulin and
needles didn't say anything about looking for blood in insulin syringe; just handed
me the PZI insulin and needles and told me to go for it. Not to give insulin in same area
where renal failure subq's are going, as insulin won't work. Will see new vet on
Wednesday and ask. Been doing subq's in neck and insulin in thigh areas and so far
okay. I'm sure I'm going under skin, like sub-qs, not into muscle. So am I doing too
much damage between now and Wednesday???
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Mandycat on September 22, 2007, 07:27:54 PM
3cat -
     You are probably going to be fine between now and Wednesday.  In all the years I gave my cat insulin shots (this was quite a few years ago), I very rarely hit a vein, but drawing back a bit is just a safety thing to be sure that you don't inject directly into a vein.  Just get a good explanation from your new vet and have a list of questions and I'm sure you will be fine.  The insulin needle is so much smaller than the needle used for fluids that you will have no trouble at all mastering the technique.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 23, 2007, 06:27:48 AM
Deep breath and exhale that I'm probably not harming her.

I guess it's a good thing I changed vets. My old vet refused to step
outside the traditional box of crf treatment and got quite angry with
me for changing from KD to lower carb, grain-free, no wheat food on Tuesday with
no transition. This food does have slightly higher protein and phosphorous. Can't thank
Itchmo readers enough for all their tremendous work on what's in cat food. Based on all
those forum threads, that's how I decided what food to go to. It's a trade off guess at
the food between kidney disease and diabetes at this point.

So I think that's why I got little explanation. I just had
to do it because I had been complaining my cat was slipping for over a month, and
it was clear to me that she progressively was hating the food, as well.

I'm happy to report there has been zero vomiting or diarrhea, and both my
cats now eager to eat. IQ's fur has stopped falling out in handfuls. I don't know
if that's food change or insulin. And she's much more active.

I really like my vet so this is kind of hard, but I will be 3 minutes from emergency
services, as opposed to almost an hour.

Keep good thoughts and hugs --
3cats



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 23, 2007, 06:46:06 AM
That's great news, 3cats.  I am go glad they are eating.  {{{hugs}}}


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 23, 2007, 07:46:41 AM
Sure feels like Russian roulette right now with one of the most precious
beings ever created. But her blood sugar went from low 190s, 200s, in
the vet's office to 716 with glucose in the urine.
Fingers crossed --
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: MarySmith on September 23, 2007, 08:04:00 AM

My old vet refused to step outside the traditional box of crf treatment and got quite angry with me for changing from KD to lower carb, grain-free, no wheat food on Tuesday with
no transition. This food does have slightly higher protein and phosphorous. 

Keep good thoughts and hugs --
3cats

What is the name of the new food that you are giving IQ?



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 23, 2007, 08:35:40 AM
3cats,

Did IQ's blood sugar go up after you started the new food?

I'm not sure which food IQ is on, but if it is Wellness, I have their spreadsheet with all the percentages of protein, carbs, phosphorus, etc., if you need it.

I was looking at both varieties of K/D canned on their website and the carbs seem to be higher than the Wellness varieties I use both as fed and on a dry matter basis.  Although one of my cats had diabetes for 6 years (she suddenly didn't need insulin and went on very well for years and years with no insulin), she was managed by insulin alone, so I am not familiar with the dietary requirements of diabetes.  She ate mostly Fancy Feast for quite awhile.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 23, 2007, 09:30:17 AM
No, Just Me. It was glucose last month 204, gave some Prenisalone (3 one-half pills), which I still think
is implicated here (but don't know for sure), and this month's blood test (Antech), glucose 716, and glucose
present in urine.

Owner goes politely nuclear when gets this diagnosis. Blood work been consistently done since January monthly.

Owner (me) pulls cats off KD to FF Turkey&Giblets Feast (olive green label) with no transition last Tuesday. IQ had been slipping
approximately for a month. Been to vet several times. Vet goes politely nuclear and says that won't even discuss diet with me; KD or else.
Chose "or else."

If I can get IQ stabilized again, will strongly consider Wellness Turkey, if all are sure garlic is out of it. How ironic it
would be in this case to be feeding a Menu Foods' food, since Nutro is likely what caused IQ's problems in the first place.

Pray I'm right. Please offer any thoughts you have. They will be appreciated!
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 23, 2007, 10:10:09 AM
3cats,

The yahoo diabetic group seems knowledgeable.  Feline CRF-FD.

FF Turkey & Giblets is my backup for my 18-year-old CRF boy.  I keep a supply on hand.  To me, they gotta eat.  Mine won't eat K/D, neither would my last 2 CRF cats.

His main food is Wellness.  He prefers Beef & Salmon.  It has lower numbers similar to Wellness Turkey.  Turkey can's we've used made June and after don't have the strong garlic smell they used to have.  Not sure if it is out of there or not.

He's going for his 6-month blood work and urine in 2 weeks, so I will report how he is doing on these foods.  Physically he looks and acts better than he has in a few years, but we'll see what the lab work shows.  Eats like a piggy, probably too much.  I don't know if he's on the right food either, but he looks great so far.  Knock on wood.

My cats prefer the big cans 12.5 ounce cans to the 3 ounce cans.  They seem to have more moisture in them.  All the big cans we have used say made in USA, while the 3 ounce say made in Canada.



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 23, 2007, 02:56:40 PM
Hi 3cats,

It was several years before the recall when we had a diabetic cat. We used the "Janet and Binky" chart from the "sugarcats" website to find the foods highest in protein and lowest in carbs and fats. These turned out to be mainly Fancy Feast, although I don't recommend or not recommend that brand. We chose low fats because our cat had an episode of severe pancreatitis and recovered. An article in Cat Fancy suggested that high fat content foods can irritate the pancreas during an acute attack of pancreatitis, and possibly in an individual susceptible to pancreatitis. We never had any more pancreatitis trouble after switching to lower fats. One major difference in your situation, though, our cat's kidneys tested as being in good shape. I have sometimes heard that high protein is hard on the kidneys and that you have to keep phosphorus on the low side also. Janet and Binky's charts show phospherous levels in foods. I don't know how this balances out with the protein needs of the carnivore and perhaps someone can comment further on that - I have not had a cat with CRF. Are you doing the ear blood tests to keep up with daily blood sugar? We did that and it's helpful but not absolutely mandatory. One vet written article I read said blood sugar tests aren't always reliable (after all they measure one instant in time and the levels fluctuate) and that behavior is as good an indicator of glucose levels. Generally speaking, our cat was sluggish and sleepy if the sugar was high, bright-eyed and perky if it was normal, and agitated during her one episode of low glucose. Using the ear blood tests might help you evaluate the effects of various foods. I offer this experience as my experience only and not to conflict with anyone else's view, but rather to create a pool of information that may be helpful.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 23, 2007, 03:02:36 PM
If you have any questions for me about my post on the previous page I'll be glad to answer when I can - currently undergoing computer problems. And, prayers and good thoughts going to you and IQ!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 23, 2007, 05:32:11 PM
Had the happiest Sunday with the liveliest  IQ I've seen in several months. Hope this continues!
Will see what happens at vet's on Wednesday.

The forum threads have gotten a little acrimonious over the last month I've been off. Just to be
clear, I'm a concerned pet parent trying to help my little orange girl. All points of view will be
considered and appreciated!!!

Hugs and best wishes for all the fur-kids --
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JJ on September 23, 2007, 05:41:53 PM
3cat even with your hands full you are taking such good care of IQ and she can feel it. Eating is the best sign an animal is still in good health. My prayers for you and IQ.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on September 23, 2007, 06:25:51 PM
I'm so glad IQ had a good day! Hoping for many more.  :)


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 23, 2007, 07:25:50 PM
Good thoughts accepted, my friends. Me, too, hoping for more good days!

Still using phosphorus blockers Alternagel and Epakitin. Worried about Epakitin, though,
as first ingredient is "lactose". Have been told that's milk sugar. IQ is milk intolerant; throws
up all her life every time if she gets milk (of course not getting it now).

The variations and complications here seem endless, but the "Q kid" isn't reading the manual about throwing in
the towel and is still trying to be here. So I'm about to toss the manual and try with her as long as
she does.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Meowli on September 24, 2007, 05:31:05 AM
Prayers and purrs for IQ!
Having had a cat that was diabetic for a couple of years I know what a challange the insulin and testing routine is. When we upgraded his diet and he lost a couple of pounds, just like in humans, the condition completely reversed over time. However,this means also that during this process,the extra insulin can bring the sugar too low. We learned the hard way to to keep tabs on the cat's blood sugar during diet adjustments. (and keep the karo handy according to our vet) Even if the vet doesn't always stress this, testing is important. Good luck with this and the meds.
Meowli


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: ranger on September 24, 2007, 10:14:33 AM
3cat my best to IQ.  I'm glad she had a good Sunday I hope you did too.  It's so hard to have a sick baby.

You can be sure everyone here is pulling for you both.

Hugs
Judy


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catbird on September 24, 2007, 11:10:29 AM
Good thoughts and lots of purrs to both of you, IQ and 3cat.  (I have an orange girl too, although she is light orange/beige).

catbird and kitties


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 24, 2007, 11:32:14 AM
3cat, continued warm and good thoughts for you and your orange tiger girl. Long ago I had an orange boy.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 24, 2007, 05:45:16 PM
Thanks, everyone, for good thoughts. This cat is sure a champ.
I'm sure she's felt better in her life, but she just keeps truckin'.
Seeing perhaps that I was a little down today, or worried, or
whatever it is cats can sense so very well, she for the first time
in several months insisted on staying in my lap every time I sat
down anywhere all day. That goes for even trips to the powder
room. Absolutely weird and inexplicable, as my lap really isn't big
enough for her to be comfortable, but sweet and loving, as this
little girl has been all her life.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 24, 2007, 07:05:13 PM
IQ's taking care of mommy now.   ;)


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Donna on September 25, 2007, 11:25:32 AM
Oh, 3Cat, the mixed feelings we experience when caring for a sick loved one:  the heartache of inflicting anymore upon them in the course of what is best physically or medically, the way we emotionally feel about ourselves as we continue to administer what is best for our sick ward and the ever present and lingering doubt of our actions, and whether they are beneficial, or not.  Yes, there is a wrenching turmoil surrounding all concerned because each action, no matter how emotionally or physically fatiguing and/or laborious is performed upon the primary stance of love, and love should not hurt so badly.   However, it is these very actions of love, the ones that are performed so selflessly that reap the benefits of the fulfilling bounty offered to us from those we interact with, those we love unconditionally, those we care about and those who need us for the necessity of their life.

These fruits and rewards are ever present within the heart and consist of the many cherished moments and shared feelings with everyone and anyone in any life.  Safely harbored for the days in which the rains of life especially dampen are the physical and emotional buoys of love's rewards of happiness, friendship, gratitude, admiration and more love (just to name a few).  As you and IQ embark upon this detour, may your spirits find sanctuary within the treasures that pave both your lives, hope to light your steps upon the cul-de-sac of labored and fatiguing efforts, joy upon the road of recovery and unlimited years upon the highway of shared life.   

Most sincerely,
Donna

~ The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them ~
    Lois McMaster Bujold, 2002 Diplomatic Immunity, US Science Fiction Author


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 25, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
IQ's truckin' and I appreciate the support and love on Itchmo, knowing how many
of you are facing similar situations with love and effort and devotion of a very
special kind. Here's hoping new vet has plenty of courage, too.

Thanks, Donna, for words from the heart and I know your own experience.

IQ has the heart and the courage, and with some luck, just could be my Christmas miracle
this year.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: MrsP on September 25, 2007, 03:40:10 PM
Give IQ our love, and take care of yourself, too.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catmom5 on September 26, 2007, 03:41:57 AM
Christmas is a time of miracles.  IQ sounds like a true fighter ~ in the very best sense of the word!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 26, 2007, 06:40:06 AM
Deep breath and off to the vet's ...
3cats n Q-kid


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 5CatMom on September 26, 2007, 07:20:39 AM
3cat,

Good luck with your vet appointment today.  Hope you will find IQ to be improving.

5CatMom


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: purringfur on September 26, 2007, 07:44:30 AM
Wishing you the best, 3cat.  Let us know.       Check your PMs.  I just sent you a long one. 


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 26, 2007, 02:24:11 PM
Vet agrees Q-Kid has some more time if can be stabilized on diabetes. Will
get blood results tomorrow. Poor Q, got stuck again. Tiger girl's bp 145 in office
Owner's off the chart, but hopeful.

This vet is a really nice guy with a lot of courage. Willing to go for it as long as
there isn't suffering. Also an experienced surgeon. So has been in practice for
a while and seen much. Didn't clobber me for FF Turkey&Giblets Feast. Just questioned
whether Q is best off staying there. Same goes for questioning his choices, SD WD and
Purina OM.
Root for glucose well below 716.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 26, 2007, 04:47:57 PM
3Cats,

I'm rooting and praying and thinking positive thoughts for you and your little tiger, IQ. 

Keeping fingers crossed.

JustMe


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: yl on September 26, 2007, 06:22:39 PM
3cat I'm thinking and praying for you and your fur babies


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 08:02:17 AM
Vet yesterday said Purina "OM." I want to investigate protein, carbs, fats, fiber, etc.
It's Purina DM, isn't it? For diabetes management? Thanks --
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: ranger on September 27, 2007, 08:44:16 AM
Fingers crossed for good test results for IQ


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on September 27, 2007, 02:30:02 PM
Hoping for low glucose!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 03:01:17 PM
Can't thank all of you enough for the good thoughts. Just got off the phone
with the vet. IQ's diabetes is still uncontrolled and she's not responding to
the insulin injections. So we're going up in insulin dosage to 2 units twice a day.
Cat's usually have problems with hypoglycemia when you do this. So I have
my Karo syrup ready and am really glad I'm so close to emergency services.
Start tomorrow morning. Her glucose is 711. Think positive and send all your
best wishes IQ's way --
3cats



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: jenny on September 27, 2007, 03:05:14 PM
3cat - so sorry the numbers aren't better.  Saying a prayer for you and IQ.

Jenny


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 27, 2007, 03:13:44 PM

Sending extra good thoughts and prayers your way. As I recall from when we had a diabetic, it took a few months of adjusting the insulin slowly upward to stabilize her. I know it's hard but waiting to see the effect of the increase is probably the best course of action right now. Warmest wishes for you and your orange tiger girl!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 03:26:58 PM
Thanks, Jenny and catwoods. I'm hoping it's a matter of
adjustment.
This little orange girl has always been a pure joy
to be around, a real character, and never does anything
the easy way. The Q has put up with renal failure for 9 months
with hardly a blip in dignity. Hope her cat muse is good for this, too.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 27, 2007, 03:37:42 PM
I just saw the question about the OM or DM - a few years ago it was Purina DM for diabetes but that was before so it may have changed by now.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 03:51:44 PM
I think, catwoods, Purina OM is overweight management diet. IQ's 11 lbs 11 ounces, and
has been maintaining a weight in the 11 lbs 7 ounce to 12 lbs 2 ounce range for months.
I believe one of first symptoms of serious renal failure is sudden weight loss. So I thought
this was kind of good, to have stabile weight. But apparently the vet is thinking lower
protein, lower calorie might help the diabetes if I understand it right. I also understand
that there really aren't any diets they have come up with that effectively manage
feline diabetes, as cats don't metabolize carbohydrates that same way as dogs. There
are, however, some good diabetic diets for dogs.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Mandycat on September 27, 2007, 03:54:57 PM
3cats -
     Patience is key when first stablizing a diabetic cat.  The insulin dosage must be adjusted slowly as every cat is different as to the optimal dose.  If possible for you to do so, having a glucose monitor to test her blood yourself would give you peace of mind over time as you could then adjust dosages as necessary on your own.  Initially, however, it is necessary to let the vet do the adjustments until things are stable.  Managing this disease is a little easier these days with the help of the glucose monitors to test the blood.  Years ago when I had a diabetic cat I had to depend on just my observations of her behaviour to determine whether it was necessary to get out the Karo syrup!  Of course, all adjustments had to be made by the vet with no means of testing the blood myself.  Fortunately, she remained fairly stable as long as she ate regular meals - and we also didn't have any special diets back then!  There are some good websites and forums on diabetic cats that would be very helpful to you as you make YOUR adjustment learning to manage the disease for her.  My thoughts and prayers are still with you and IQ.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on September 27, 2007, 04:25:34 PM
3cats,

Hang in there 3cats and IQ.

It's been awhile since I had a diabetic cat, but I seem to remember she was started out on lower amount of insulin, it was then adjusted upward by vet, and then in a middle range.  I think she was on 4 and 6 units of Humulin-U, Ultralente a day.  It was adjusted from time-to-time, and after a few years she no longer needed insulin.

Vet always did the dosage adjusting.  We were lucky.  She didn't need many adjustments and was not on any particular diet back then.   Would have been nice if we had glucose meters then. 

Lots of information on this site.  I just took a refresher course.

Diabetes in Cats for Beginners   

http://felinediabetes.com/dummies.htm


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 05:15:33 PM
great site, JustMe. Thank you!
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 05:16:49 PM
Thanks, Klondike. Have Karo, but Q won't let me down
if she can help it. Never does anything that isn't graceful
and diva-like (I hope).
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catbird on September 27, 2007, 05:53:20 PM
Sending you all the loving energy we can, IQ and 3cat

--catbird and Cameo (orange girl sitting on keyboard)


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
I'll take it, catbird n Cameo. Thanks!
Every ounce of positive energy helps.
3cats n Q-kid


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 27, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
Vet says I don't need glucometer yet. However, Keto-sticks
seem a little unreliable to me. So if you all have suggestions
for glucometers, please, tell me. One-Touch Ultra comes up
a lot, so far. Any others that you all have used and liked?

Please excuse me if I sound a little jittery tonight. I am worried
about hypoglycemia. It probably isn't as bad as it sounds if you
know what to do, and I do. If you're like me, anything you haven't
been through before probably sounds scarier than it is.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 27, 2007, 10:12:42 PM
We did use a glucometer to adjust the insulin at first, and later only occasionally. The cat objected to this sometimes, but overall it wasn't too bad. There was no one touch ultra back then so I don't know if that could be adapted to the ear tests. We learned how to do them from someone in the sugarcats group. The one we used has vanished in moving so I don't know which brand it was. We used the same test strips and lancets that humans use, and the CVS we went to had a deal where if you bought the test strips, the glucometer was free, or with a rebate. Our vet did indeed tell us that the urine tests don't necessarily give you an up to the minute reading because the urine may have been in the bladder for awhile.
You'll get used to reading the reactions of your cat. And in two and a half years, we only had one blood sugar low. The cat got agitated and tipped over a bowl of the other cat's dry food to get to it quickly - we tested - very low glucose. We got the sugar back up fairly quickly as I recall but I'd definitely go the vet if you suspect low sugar.
With the glucose meter it's possible to do a "curve" by testing every 2 hours or so for about eight hours after the insulin shot and it gives you an idea how she reacts to the insulin. I'm sorry I don't remember the particulars of this - we learned it from the sugarcats website folks so maybe someone there or at one of the other sites could give you the details.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Meowli on September 28, 2007, 02:55:20 AM
3cats- The One Touch Ultra is the most popular as it requires but a tiny drop of blood. The testing itself is easier as a two-person job - one to distract and hold the cat while another does the testing. This is not a cat's favorite test, the ears are sensitive. But it is important, once IQ gets down into a range readable for a home glucose monitor (I think most meters can only go to 500 or 600 or so before giving an error message). Testing and medications will all settle into a familiar routine. We wish you all the best. You are not alone!
Meowli  


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on September 28, 2007, 08:31:48 AM
Sorry to hear the numbers weren't lower - hopefully this is just a temporary situation until she's fully stabilized. Continued good thoughts to you both.

I hate it when vets say "oh, you don't need to do X yet." KD's original vet said the same thing about subq fluids when her kidney values first went way up. Less than a week later she was in the hospital and not expected to survive ... then I insisted on the fluids and I have the support of the new vet (colleague of the old one). Our pets have to almost die before they'll recommend anything beyond the "magic food."  >:(


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 28, 2007, 08:44:26 AM
OF --
So sorry to hear you had that experience. I think my vet is partly relying on fact
I'm so close to hospital. Was in to office at the crack of dawn and got Nutri-Cal,
in case.
Have given injection and watching cat like a hawk all day today. Will sleep in clothes
just in case. Wonder if the pet food manufacturers can even conceive what they created
for a lot of us.
Gave my vet a copy of Donald Strombeck's book on home-prepared diets,  and a protein, fats, carbs, fiber, phosphorus
breakdown of Hills prescription, Purina prescription, FF TurkeynGiblets, and Wellness Turkey and
Chicken. I said something is wrong with every one of them, and he agreed. He's taking the
weekend to consider it all food-wise. So some vets are trying, I think.
Hold best thoughts --
IQ and 3cats



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: ranger on September 28, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
3cat I am sorry her test results weren't better, I know nothing about diabetes but you have my heartfelt thoughts.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 28, 2007, 11:08:31 AM
Thanks, OF, as you do mine for KD.
And, Judy,  good thoughts for Socks.
IQ n 3 cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: lesliek on September 28, 2007, 11:17:58 AM
3Cat- I'm so sorry to hear about IQ. Don't have any diabetes experience;but sending hopeful thoughts and prayers your way.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 29, 2007, 08:37:21 AM
Slept in clothes with keys in pocket. Sound familiar?
IQ lethargic this morning. So went to vet for emergency
glucose check. Glucose so high, over 500, that glucometers
can't yet measure it. Day two at two units twice a day.
I am trying to remember being patient. And IQ certainly
needs extra special wishes for control or it won't be good.
IQ n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: jenny on September 29, 2007, 09:09:23 AM
Hi - wasn't sure if you knew that Dr Hodgins has a forum just for diabetic cats?  Here is a link in case you are interested. You do have to sign up but it is no big deal.

http://www.yourdiabeticcat.com/forums/


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: mainecoonpeg on September 29, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
3 cats..........sending good strong vibes and major prayers for you and IQ.  Big purrs coming IQ's way too.  Purina DM is for the diabetes, virtually no carbs.  The OM is Obesity Management and more carb filled. 

Is the Insulin you are using PZI?  That one is supposed to really work well, but it does take some time.

Thinking of you
Peg


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 29, 2007, 12:03:07 PM
Thanks, Jenny, for the site and reminder about book Your Cat. I do have it, along with Pet
Food Nation, and Home Prepared Dog and Cat Diets. Signed up for site and got directed to
great YouTube video on drawing blood for glucometer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zE12-4fVn8

Also found great series of YouTube videos on Caring for Your Diabetic Cat, Parts 1 through 6, which
include insulin injections, hypoglycemia signs and symptoms, and diabetic monitoring. The producer
is SuperGrego, and I believe fairly good. The videos are worth a thousand words.

So I'm reading like crazy. Dr. Hodgkins at least mentions FF.

And I'm certainly going to ask my vet if giving injections in thighs might not be producing best absorption,
and in view of chronic renal failure, whether there's anything we can do about that.

Thanks, Peg, for good thoughts, as well. Yes, it is PZI, 40 U.S.P. units, and syringes are for 40 U.S.P.
IQ's a fighter, and I'm a slow learner but definitely trying --
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 29, 2007, 01:29:49 PM
The insulin adjustments do seem to move things in slow motion. My cat finally stabilized on about 3 units PZI twice a day. I don't know how high she started out but they said her glucose was "off the charts" in the beginning. Lots of prayers, purrs and good thoughts going your way.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: jenny on September 29, 2007, 08:01:22 PM
Yeah, I don't have a diabetic cat, but do notice that quite a few people on Dr Hodgkins site mention FF food - gluten free varieties of course.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 30, 2007, 08:42:13 AM
Anyone who has treated a diabetic cat, do you think it's better to have a glucometer
at home and use it than have to guess at hypoglycemia? Even if glucose numbers
are so high they can't be measured, it's a little frightening to have to behavior
guess that the cat is or isn't hypoglycemic.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Nabiya on September 30, 2007, 12:20:20 PM
I treated a diabetic cat for almost 3 years without any problems.  At first I let the vet decide on the proper dosage and to get her stable.  This took about 6 months and included visits at the vets for 24 hours at a time while they did glucose curves on her and also changing the type of insulin at least twice.  It was also ample time for me to become fully educated on diabetes symptoms (both hyper and hypo), glucose, insulin injections, eating properly, etc.  I then started the glucose meter readings using a OneTouch meter, first in conjunction and training with my vet using the same meter and then finally on my own. 

I would recommend using the glucose meter but ONLY after the cat is stable on insulin, you understand the relationship of foods and eating in conjunction with glucose levels fluctuating and you're fully trained by a vet to properly take the meter readings.  I kept a daily chart of her meter readings in relationship to what she ate right down to the minute before changing any amount of insulin based on a meter reading.

I found that taking the blood drop from her gums was the least invasive way and most accurate way for her, but every cat is different.  If you do the gums, you have to clean them before using the glucose meter on them.  On my cat it was easy for one person to do the glucose meter readings.

OneTouch did have a product recall about a year and a half ago.  It turned out the glucose test strips were made in China and were not real test strips.  The test strips are fairly expensive (about $100 for a jar of 50) and there's a huge black market for them). I don't think I would go back to their meters if I had another diabetic cat, although I haven't researched any other test strips to find any NOT made in China.

Hope this helps in your decision.



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 30, 2007, 01:42:19 PM
It's a hard call to make regarding how much the testing helps in hypoglycemia. We did read one article by a vet who counseled "treating the animal, not the numbers" and said behavior is often the best indicator.
But he was also saying that tests done on the ears are not always accurate. Other areas of the body may give more accurate readings. I think that even if I saw a normal glucose reading from a meter, and the cat was still anxious, grouchy, voraciously hungry, or otherwise altered from her normal behavior, I might treat it as a possible hypoglycemic event. Those were the symptoms I saw during my one experience of it, during which the test result was indeed low. Hopefully the vet and the websites describe other symptoms (?)
I found the old meter we used, before the days of One Touch. It was an Ascensia Elite XL, made in Japan. The test strips were also made in Japan but packaged in the USA. It worked well while we used it but the last time we tried to use it, it appeared to be no longer working.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on September 30, 2007, 02:19:46 PM
Thank you, Nabiya and catwoods.

Nabiya, do you know if the fake OneTouch test strips were being purchased online? Or from pharmacies? Or vets? by any chance,
if you remember. Also, what insulins did you have to change from and to, if you don't mind sharing?

IQ's been diagnosed with diabetes now for two weeks on Tuesday. Saturday morning she was lethargic, sleepy, but responsive.
The thing that sent me to the vet's for an emergency check was that she did not want to come out for food in the morning (very
unusual for her. She hasn't missed a meal in the last nine months). After visiting the vet's, ate like a trucker (sure woke her up). That's what makes the behavior thing so iffy. I would have loaded her up with Karo and NutriCal based on behavior, but thought it was too early for me to be doing that and knowing I could get to the vet hospital so fast, I didn't. Since glucose was so high, I'm glad I didn't.

But I'm going to take both of your advice that I have to let the vet do his stabilization. I think because of the kidney disease, he does not want to stress her by keeping her in-house for 24 hours to do the curves, or perhaps he's just waiting until we're closer to correct insulin dosages. But I will sure clarify that with him on Monday. From the time frames you are talking, I'm expecting too much too soon. First noticed something changing with IQ about a month ago and did not get diabetic blood work until two weeks ago.

Pretty much the hypo symptoms are described as lethargy, not wanting to move, or any odd or unusual behavior. That covers a lot
of ground (like refusing to come out to eat). Then if you see head tilt, wobbling, or odd gait, you need to call vet immediately, as
that's more severe hypoglycemia. More severe is indicating by walking like drunk is one thing I have been told.

catwoods, I will explore Ascensia, too, and see if still made in Japan. My vet uses AccuCheck. Anyone know anything about that brand?
IQ, orange tiger girl, n 3cats
Sending good thoughts to all



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on September 30, 2007, 02:49:45 PM
Since you live so close I agree it's probably better to take her to the vet if you suspect low glucose. That's a little different from what I said above - we don't live so close. Reading the behavior can be difficult. We used two different types of insulin. At first we used Humulin and after further input from sugarcats, changed to PZI - and had to start the process of slow increases all over again. Each Humulin shot spiked sooner and it was generally thought the PZI was better because it had a longer lasting effect. I'd be interested to know also what other types people have used. We have some older kitties now and who knows, they might develop diabetes one day.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 01, 2007, 01:18:21 PM
Vet recommended SD WD. IQ's hair just stopped falling out in handfuls after eight
months of KD. 
WD  with chicken includes
Water, Pork Liver, Pork By-Products, Chicken, Powdered Cellulose, Corn Starch, Oat Fiber, Guar Gum, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Sulfate, Locust Bean Gum, Choline Chloride, Chicken Liver Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, DL-Methionine, L-Carnitine, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid (source of vitamin C), Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Niacin, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite.

Regular WD:
Pork By-Products, Pork Liver, Water, Corn Flour, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Iron Oxide, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Iodized Salt, L-Carnitine, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid (source of vitamin C), Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Niacin, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite

If you have any thoughts on this food, please PM or email me.




Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 02, 2007, 12:57:44 PM
Those of you who have treated diabetic cats, please simply list for me the foods
that you were successful in using, whether it's prescription diets, commercial
canned cat foods, or home-prepared. Please give as much info as you feel is
appropriate.
Right now IQ is pretty stabile, but I'm going to have to make a final food decision.
So what you think is important to this really incredible cat. Just need a quick survey
of what worked for different cats to make a decision on. After seeing results of FF for
about a week and a half, I have noticed some things it does. So help if you can with
foods you used, including FF and prescription diets, and thank you.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 02, 2007, 04:50:44 PM
After polite discussion with vet about the meaning of by-products, mycotoxins in grains, and
possibly not really safe GRAS ingredients, we settled on a compromise home-prepared formula
we both can live with the ingredients of.
At least it's obvious to me vets are starting to listen.
Wish IQ luck and good results --
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on October 02, 2007, 05:30:43 PM
3Cats,

I hope IQ enjoys her new diet. 


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 02, 2007, 08:52:59 PM
IQ loves food. You have to picture female orange Garfield.
Weight is steady at 11 lbs 15 ounces tonight on FF. So
hopefully with some grain removed, she can drop just a little.
And hopefully with diabetes and crf, she'll be able to go with the program.
Thanks for encouragement.
IQ n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on October 03, 2007, 03:43:23 AM
3Cats,

I took your previous post to mean you would be homecooking? 



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 03, 2007, 06:19:27 AM
What we're trying to transition to is home-prepared, modified to
lower carbs. There's only about nine ingredients, and few of them
end in "ate" or "ide," including a vitamin supplement and a taurine source.
IQ n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on October 03, 2007, 07:19:52 AM
I'm so glad your vet is cooperating with your food plan!  :)


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 03, 2007, 11:03:43 AM
Me, too, OF. Hope all the vets out there will give serious consideration
to the AAFCO feeding trials and their limits. Scared the heck out of me
to find out from a Menusux post that as of September, 2007, in the Oasis FDA food
refusal reports, wheat gluten is still being recalled for contamination of different
kinds.
http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/fdaoasis-refusals-pertaining-to-chinapet-food-september-2007-t2174.0.html
I'm hoping the Q-kid likes and is able to handle mom's cooking.
IQ n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on October 04, 2007, 11:18:12 AM
Sending prayers and purrs and positive thoughts for the success of IQ's new diet.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 04, 2007, 08:15:13 PM
IQ..................purr purr mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Please eat your new yummy diet.............
Good, sweet little girl
Positive vibes coming your way IQ and 3 cats
There's nothing better than Mom's home cooking :D


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 07, 2007, 06:00:04 PM
Things continue to be difficult for my poor little Q-kid. Have a vet
appointment this week to check glucose. Spent the day cuddling
and was really wonderful. Keep good thoughts
3cats and Q-kid


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 07, 2007, 06:31:31 PM
3 cats and Q..............
As hard as I can...........
Good thoughts coming to you both
Hugs
Peg


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: lesliek on October 07, 2007, 06:56:59 PM
3Cat- Positive thoughts and prayers coming your way. Hope things are improving.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: JustMe on October 07, 2007, 08:05:47 PM
3Cats and IQ,

As always, positive thoughts and prayers for you.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on October 07, 2007, 10:27:46 PM
Continuing to send purrs and good thoughts and prayers your way.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 08, 2007, 07:52:06 AM
Thanks, everyone, so much. I know your thoughts are there.
Just can't seem to balance kidney disease and diabetes, and
hoping Q-kid can make progress. Will let you know what
glucose is doing. Blessings for your kindness
Diva-Q n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 14, 2007, 10:15:12 AM
Blood sugar is down to 393. Certainly not ideal. Vet said most
likely cause based on history was steroid administration.

IQ's such a great spirit and trying so hard to stay here. Barely
complains about all the stuff crammed down her throat, all the
sticks and pokes, and the frustration of having to wait just to eat,
and then a half-hour later getting stuck again. I'm certainly
learning lessons in courage from this incredible, loving cat.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Nabiya on October 14, 2007, 10:23:56 AM
Blood sugar is down to 393. Certainly not ideal. Vet said most
likely cause based on history was steroid administration.

IQ's such a great spirit and trying so hard to stay here. Barely
complains about all the stuff crammed down her throat, all the
sticks and pokes, and the frustration of having to wait just to eat,
and then a half-hour later getting stuck again. I'm certainly
learning lessons in courage from this incredible, loving cat.
3cats

393 is not really bad, if that's the peak and half of that would be her low.  Remember on insulin there will be peaks and lows in the glucose unlike cats not on insulin where the glucose is more stable.  So much better to have her on the high end rather than the low end of the glucose curve.  Sounds like you and her are really getting it under control!  My diabetic cat often saw 300's even though with the same exact diet her low would be at 130.  Really, this may be the best you can do and she can live for years like this.  Don't let the high numbers discourage you.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 14, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
Thanks, Nabiya. That's the high level on fructosamine test. So maybe
it's better than I thought. What gutsy, trusting, and amazing
creatures all these fur-kids are.
3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on October 14, 2007, 12:10:09 PM
The numbers may not be ideal (I don't know how good or bad they are, since I have no experience with feline diabetes) - but they're down. That's good; at least they're moving in the right direction.

When KD's kidney numbers came up at her last vet visit, he told me "it's just paper" and to treat her based on how she's looking and acting. I've tried very hard to take that to heart - clinically, she's doing much better than her numbers would suggest. Hopefully the same is true for IQ as well.

It's good advice: treat the cat, not the numbers. Continued good thoughts to you both.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on October 14, 2007, 02:40:12 PM
Sounds like the glucose is heading slowly downward and that is the same kind of slow progress we saw in the early stages of treating diabetes in our kitty. We also had an occasional sugar high after stabilization but the kitty did very well overall for a long time. I remember her cheerful meows so well! Keeping you both in my thoughts and prayers.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 17, 2007, 01:10:07 PM
3cats,

How is IQ doing?
Have you tried Keto diastix, in lieu of jabbing her for blood glucose?
They go into the urine stream and they give a pretty accurate result of the urine glucose as well as ketones.

Hugs and prayers to you all
Peg


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Mandycat on October 17, 2007, 01:20:28 PM
Peg,
     I think you have to use actual numbers from blood glucose levels to make insulin adjustments. 


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 17, 2007, 02:15:31 PM
Mandycat, you are correct.  The keto diastix can be used in between the blood glucose checks.  I had a kitty that hated to be tested via the blood, he would only allow one jab per day, although, he did not mind the insulin shots.  My vet recommended the stix so that I could get somewhat of an accurate daily glucose read without stressing the kitty out too much.  The vet said Rocky would live about another year with the diabetes.........Rocky lived 5 more years after diagnosis.  An enlarged heart, restrictive cardiomyopathy, sent him to heaven.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 17, 2007, 02:50:42 PM
Dear Peg and Mandycat and everyone:
There are some real quality of life issues which have to take precedence for my beloved orange girl.
IQ's a stage 3 of 4 renal failure kitty now on fluids every other day or every three days if there's no
stomach upsets.
She's also a moderately controlled diabetic for a little over a month on two shots of insulin a day.
So am using fructosamine tests for blood glucose snapshots and ketostix when I can catch her at
the box to check for keytones.
There's also endless rounds of high blood pressure pills, stomach acid pills, and phosphorus blockers.

I had to make some hard decisions regarding letting her know she is loved most of all, and trying to
avoid making her feel every time I come near it's to hurt her. I hope you understand that I decided
loving her was the most important thing for the rest of her life.

So we're having good days and bad, but always loving and treasuring our time together. Just a lot
to ask of this sweet, courageous lady, who I am hoping will see another Christmas tree to attack.

Trying to attach the Spirit of Q picture so you can see what's inside here. Hope it comes out.
Never have been able to figure out how to attach an image.
3cats




Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on October 17, 2007, 03:17:40 PM
You know IQ better than anyone and I feel you are wise to make decisions based on life quality and the loving bond that we have with our pets. The kitty knows she's well loved, they are so perceptive.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Mandycat on October 17, 2007, 04:10:50 PM
3cats -
     IQ is beautiful!  It is very apparent that you love her very much and are doing all you can to make her quality of life as good as possible with the problems she has.  As always, you are both in my prayers.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: lesliek on October 17, 2007, 04:53:33 PM
3cat-This is the hardest part.Knowing when she can't enjoy herself anymore. I know you love her & will make whatever time she has left happy. Sending hopes for another good Christmas for you both.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on October 17, 2007, 06:10:46 PM
Wow, that is one beautiful cat!


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: rom6 on October 17, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
Gorgeous girl.  Thank you for sharing such a special picture with us.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 17, 2007, 06:49:31 PM
They're all beautiful inside and out. I've never found a fur-kid I
didn't like. Thanks for the good thoughts and wishes
Q-cat n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catmom5 on October 17, 2007, 06:59:30 PM
She's lovely.  I know that when that time comes for you to make a decision, you'll know.  I believe IQ will let you know when she's ready. Until then, it sounds as if you are creating some wonderful memories and sharing a lot of love ~ that's what it's all about. Hope you have lots of really good BONUS TIME together. 


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on October 17, 2007, 07:12:29 PM
IQ is just gorgeous! And I totally agree - love and comfort is the most important thing.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: Carol on October 23, 2007, 03:23:02 AM
Keep strong 3cat.  Follow your heart. You have many here who understand how hard this is for both of you.  Giving "roots" to my kids-2 and 4 legged-was the easy part----"wings" (or knowing when to let go) is the toughest.  You have alot of friends here for support.
Carol :-*


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 23, 2007, 05:50:16 AM
Thanks, Carol. It's a fight with lots of love that too many of
us are fighting.
IQ n 3cats


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catbird on October 23, 2007, 06:09:27 AM
Holding both you and IQ in my heart, today and every day.  You are both wise, wise beings.  You will know what is best.  Loved the picture.

catbird


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: ranger on October 23, 2007, 09:26:25 AM
IQ is a beautiful girl.  I'm sure you are doing the right thing, I know how hard it is when they run from you because of medication.

Judy



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 23, 2007, 10:18:45 AM
Judy, I know you do, and it's impossible to describe how heartbreaking
it is. IQ cries out now every time I take her to the room where she gets
sub-Q fluids. I wish the monsters that did this had to hear her and could
see the look in her eyes.

But then there's those times when you hold her or brush her or hug her,
and with her great heart, she purrs and rubs you and blinks her eyes to
tell you it's alright. Then you know why you do it and couldn't just throw her away.
IQ's mom



Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: catwoods on October 23, 2007, 11:40:01 AM
It is indeed a tough road to treat a sick kitty and fight for their health and those good, bright-eyed times; and so totally worth it, as you know. All the warmest wishes for you and IQ.


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: mainecoonpeg on October 23, 2007, 11:57:40 AM
3 cats,

I have a favorite expression for the kitties who meow out various sounds.  I call it "kitty b*tchin". ;)

One of the things that I discovered, is that cats too, like humans have "issues".  Who better to express your issues to, in the form of kitty b*tchin, than the one who loves you the most.............

IQ is fully aware of how much you love her. She knows that you are going above and beyond to help her.
You said it yourself, the purrs, the rubs, the blinks are her absolute expressions of gratitude for all you do.

Hang in there.  You are both fighting a hard battle and we are all here with you in minds, spirit and many prayers to Saint Francis.

 :-* :-*
Peg and Gizmo
and Rufus, Rikers, Gadget, Frosty and Edgar Winter


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: 3catkidneyfailure on October 23, 2007, 12:49:30 PM
Ahh, Peg, the Lady Q's term would be "diva expressing displeasure," but either
way, you nailed it and made me laugh.

Thank you for all the good thoughts and prayers, one and all. It means an
awful lot for all of us fighting this battle.
3cats, IQ, Smorgi(blck&white), and Doozie(calico)  (frm Heaven)


Title: Re: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl
Post by: ranger on October 24, 2007, 05:59:26 AM
3cat it is heartbreaking but those purrs do make up for it. 

All three of your kids are beautiful, sorry only two are with you in body.