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Title: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 16, 2007, 08:37:48 AM
Does anyone have access to information that describes the nutrient requirements of cats?

I would like to find a "user friendly" version.  Have looked at the online book version, but it seems complicated.  LOL.  Maybe I'm just too dense.

Many weeks ago someone posted a link, and when you went to the website, there was another link to a great brochure that listed the requirements (I believe) in terms of daily nutritional requirements.

Silly me.  I didn't save the link to the brochure.  If anyone has that brochure link, I'd love to know what it is, but ANY information wrt the nutritional requirements would be appreciated.

Thanks.

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: JustMe on September 16, 2007, 12:48:44 PM
5CatMom,

I have posted this in the past.  Not sure if this is what you are talking about.  It has free downloadable brochures for cats and dogs with some basic information.  The book itself is $265. Yikes

http://dels.nas.edu/banr/petdoor.html

(http://dels.nas.edu/banr/images/Catscover.jpg)                 (http://dels.nas.edu/banr/images/Dogscover.jpg)


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: straybaby on September 16, 2007, 02:32:27 PM
5CatMom,

I have posted this in the past.  Not sure if this is what you are talking about.  It has free downloadable brochures for cats and dogs with some basic information.  The book itself is $265. Yikes

http://dels.nas.edu/banr/petdoor.html

(http://dels.nas.edu/banr/images/Catscover.jpg)                 (http://dels.nas.edu/banr/images/Dogscover.jpg)

that's a good easy link! the brochure gives the exact amounts and then you can cross reference the vitamins/etc with food sources. i just cross referenced most of the vitamins, and you can easily meet the requirements with real food (on the cats, haven't checked dogs as i need to work!). now i'm starting to wonder how much supplementing is *really* needed. it's something i tend to go back and forth on and here i go yet again! lol!~


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: JustMe on September 16, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
I found the part about cats having a weak thirst drive and canned food being better for some cats of interest.


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: straybaby on September 16, 2007, 03:08:29 PM
it's funny. i have always feed cats canned food. dry seemed so unappealing! i left it out for snacks, but they always got wet. i also rotated for variety. both wet food and rotating diets are now being recommended. i didn't learn about the water issue until i started raw a few years ago. i've always had decent drinkers. sometimes it's just finding out what they want to drink out of! lol!~ our childhood cat would drink out of a certain coffee cup on the bathroom counter. it's actually a good set up 'cause it's so easy to refresh the water throughout the day  :D

i was just reading something on niacin depletion and corn based diets (for humans) . . .  yes, i've spent the afternoon researching since you posted the link. much more interesting than designing the x-mas product i'm supposed to be working on  :P


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: jenny on September 16, 2007, 03:19:28 PM
I switched two of my three cats to all canned food last May because of all the reading I had regarding canned food being better than dry.  They do seem much healthier.  One of them never had a big thirst drive, but the other drinks a lot less water than he used to.


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 16, 2007, 05:17:27 PM
JustMe and Straybaby,

Thanks for the links.  Now if I can just get them to work.  Are you able to just click and go there?

Haven't been able to get the link to work, but it may be my ISP.

The brochure is great - easy for the average person to understand.

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: JustMe on September 16, 2007, 05:19:18 PM
5Cat Mom

Just click on this  http://dels.nas.edu/banr/petdoor.html and download the one you want.


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 16, 2007, 05:55:12 PM
JustMe,

Thanks.  I've done lots of clicking, but the link won't work for me tonight.  My pop-up blocker is turned off, so I don't know what's going on.

Did you actually click on the link and it worked for you?

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: JustMe on September 16, 2007, 05:58:15 PM
5CatMom,

Yes, I was able to download and read the cat one, 16 pages I believe.  It's in PDF format.


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: straybaby on September 16, 2007, 06:24:25 PM
JustMe,

Thanks.  I've done lots of clicking, but the link won't work for me tonight.  My pop-up blocker is turned off, so I don't know what's going on.

Did you actually click on the link and it worked for you?

5CatMom

check your drives. on mine it just downloads but doesn't pop open. i've been known to DL multiple copies of things not realizing they are doing it in the background  ::)


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 16, 2007, 06:31:37 PM
Well, thanks you two.

I've checked out the obvious stuff, but can't find out what's going on.  But I'll save the link.  Maybe I can get it fixed tomorrow.

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: JustMe on September 18, 2007, 05:04:57 AM
it's funny. i have always feed cats canned food. dry seemed so unappealing! i left it out for snacks, but they always got wet. i also rotated for variety. both wet food and rotating diets are now being recommended. i didn't learn about the water issue until i started raw a few years ago. i've always had decent drinkers. sometimes it's just finding out what they want to drink out of! lol!~ our childhood cat would drink out of a certain coffee cup on the bathroom counter. it's actually a good set up 'cause it's so easy to refresh the water throughout the day  :D

straybaby,
What a wise pet parent you are.   Wish I had known a lot sooner about wet versus dry for cats.  Always gave them a treat of wet several times a week and the older ones got wet because they were more likely to eat it.  Just a few months of mostly wet now, and I see the difference.  I was always told not to give them too much wet, that it would upset their stomachs.  Wow, how wrong was that!   


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: jenny on September 19, 2007, 07:01:02 PM
Well, I downloaded it and printed.  I was actually disappointed with the file.  Much too vague.  No really solid information regarding protein/fat/carb ratios.  The information regarding wet versus dry was soft peddled - and in fact said you could just wet down the dry food (which I have read can breed bacteria).  As for the nutrients, might be helpful if you raw feed, but I think most major food products (i.e. Wellness, Innova, etc) would meet requirements for vitamins/minerals.  Calorie requirements I think are overstated for most cats, based on my experience.  So, all in all, I didn't get much from this brochure.


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 20, 2007, 09:03:02 AM
Jenny,

Thanks for your opinion.  Do you have a source for this info that you like better?

Just looking for good sources here.

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 20, 2007, 09:24:28 AM
Straybaby,

Finally was able to print the brochure, but I had to use an old desktop computer.  My notebook won't download some things even though I tried to disable the pop-up blocker utilities.

5CatMom

 


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: kaffe on September 21, 2007, 02:11:02 AM
Daily Nutrient Requirements for Cats

Nutrient        National Research Council (per day)                     Strombeck (per kilogram
                 1000?g = 1mg1000mg = 1 gram                            bodyweight)
                 IU is a measurement of potency      
Calories                 280 – 360 Kcal      
Protein                 12.5 g      
Fat                 5.5 g      
Vit. A                 63 ?g                                              75 IU (1IU = 0.3?g = .0003mg)   
Vit. D                 0.4 ?g                                              8 IU (1IU= 000025 mg or 25 nanograms)   
Vit. E                2.5 mg                                              0.5 IU (1IU = 2/3 mg)   
Vit. K                82 ?g                                              2 ?g   
Vit. B1 (Thiamin)   0.33 mg                                              200 ?g   
Riboflavin                0.27 mg                                              160 ?g   
Vit. B6                0.16 mg      
Niacin                2.5 mg                                              1600 ?g   
Pantothenic Acid   0.4 mg      
Vit. B12                1.4 ?g      
Folic Acid                47 ?g                                              32 ?g   
Calcium                0.18 g                                              128 mg   
Phosphorus   0. 16 g                                              96 mg   
Magnesium    25 mg                                              6.4 mg   
Sodium                42 mg                                              8 mg   
Potassium    0.33 g      
Chlorine                60 mg      
Iron                 5 mg                                               1.28 mg   
Copper                0.3 mg      
Zinc                4.6 mg                                               0.8 mg   
Manganese   0.3 mg                                               0.08 mg   
Selenium                19 ?g                                               1.6 ?g   
Iodine                88 ?g                                               0.006 mg   
         
Choline      96 mg   
Biotin      2.8 ?g   
Pyridoxin      160 ?g   
         
****  the symbol for "micro" wont appear here, so wherever you see "?" it stands for "micro" - so "?g" should be read "micrograms"


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 21, 2007, 11:54:08 AM
Kaffe,

Thanks for writing all that out.  There seems to be quite a difference between some of the requirements.

For example, calcium.

The NRC recommends .18g per day, but Dr. Strombeck's recommendation is quite different.

128mg/kg body weight = .128g x 4.5kg for a 10lb cat = .576 g

Did I do that right?  If so, why the large difference?

5CatMom

     



Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: kaffe on September 21, 2007, 12:15:56 PM
Frankly 5Cat, I don't know why there is some (maybe a lot) of difference in the tabulated daily requirements for cats.  Ths is speculation as of yet on my part, but I think the NRC requirements are MINIMUM figures; whereas others, like Strombeck's, reflects the IDEAL nutrient intake per weight of the animal.


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: MrsP on September 21, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
Is that like for people: MDR (minimum daily requirement) and RDA (recommended daily requirement)?  Thanks so much for posting that info, Kaffe.

Oops got that wrong, recommended daily allowance.   :o


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 21, 2007, 12:39:14 PM
Kaffe and MrsP,

That makes sense.  Also, the NRC info was originally published in 1986, and was last reprinted in 1992.

So, is Dr. Strombeck our best source for this nutrient info?

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: jenny on September 21, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
Hi 5CatMom - not really one site, but I've compiled information from several sites.  I haven't really focused on the various vitamins/minerals because I feel the Wellness that they are getting should provide that.

Here are some other links that might be helpful:
Feline Nutrition - Dr Zoran:  http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html 
Maxhouse:  http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
Dr Lisa Pierson:  http://www.catinfo.org/
Pet Education: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1399&articleid=2642
Blatzcat: http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html

Happy Reading!


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: 5CatMom on September 21, 2007, 05:30:22 PM
Jenny,

Thanks.  That will keep me busy for a while.  ;D

5CatMom


Title: Re: Nutrient Requirements of Cats
Post by: karvskitties on September 22, 2007, 04:20:29 PM
it's funny. i have always feed cats canned food. dry seemed so unappealing! i left it out for snacks, but they always got wet. i also rotated for variety. both wet food and rotating diets are now being recommended. i didn't learn about the water issue until i started raw a few years ago. i've always had decent drinkers. sometimes it's just finding out what they want to drink out of! lol!~ our childhood cat would drink out of a certain coffee cup on the bathroom counter. it's actually a good set up 'cause it's so easy to refresh the water throughout the day  :D

straybaby,
What a wise pet parent you are.   Wish I had known a lot sooner about wet versus dry for cats.  Always gave them a treat of wet several times a week and the older ones got wet because they were more likely to eat it.  Just a few months of mostly wet now, and I see the difference.  I was always told not to give them too much wet, that it would upset their stomachs.  Wow, how wrong was that!   

Actually, some Vet Techs have been telling me that tooth decay is likely caused by an all Wet Diet.  Then they went on to their classes, training, etc (they either promote Science Diet or Royal Canin dry).  So, unfortunatley - must do own reaserch.