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Title: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on September 07, 2007, 07:23:10 AM
By popular demand, we bring you:  The Scoop on Poop

For all you fun-living pooper scoopers or serious analyzers of pet poops. 

Thanks Danielle (who suggested our title) & EricV (who loves "talkin' stool")


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kittymom1254 on September 07, 2007, 07:35:29 AM
Okay, this is over the top, but I used to keep a "poop" journal on my IBD kitty.  It is an important thing to note with IBD kitties  :o  My poor DH thought I was absolutely nutters.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: dingbat on September 07, 2007, 07:50:16 AM
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this is over the top, but I used to keep a "poop" journal

kittymom

What is so over the top about that. Hell we did it when we first moved here, had 6 dogs with diarrhea, kept a poop journal for months. seems quite normal to me, like how are you going to remember from one week to the next which meds each are on and what they are being fed and who has the runs. In fact I think we still have it somewhere, now I have to go and find it.

If anyone is interested I can always post results ;D

db


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: EricV on September 07, 2007, 07:55:00 AM
I keep a close eye on everything that comes of our five cats' butts. I don't write it down, but my memory is good enough that I don't need to. I don't find it all over-the-top keeping a "stool journal". A lot can be told about our pets' health by what comes out of their rears.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: Danielle on September 07, 2007, 07:59:24 AM
I'm very excited about the new thread :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kittymom1254 on September 07, 2007, 08:03:30 AM
The poop journal made perfect sense to me, but my DH thought I was nuts.  It's so much easier to have everything down on paper if kitty got sick.  I knew exactly what meds she was on, dosages, food and of course what the poop schedule was.   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: dingbat on September 07, 2007, 08:22:20 AM
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A lot can be told about our pets' health by what comes out of their rears.

EricV

That applies to humans also. The digestive, absorptive tract is the FIRST indicator of health, stool should be firm but not like a brick, color and odor are also indicators of health.

kittymom

Tell DH to start picking up poop himself ;D and then he can try to decipher which is what.

When we were having problems here, without tracking there would have been no way of understanding exactly what was going on. When one of them would get the runs they would go on chicken and rice for 3-5 days until solid, then back on food, some were on meds some weren't and 2 of the girls had absolutely no runs at all. It was baffling, this went on for about 2 months on and off. It is much easier to track all of it. Actually we didn't keep a diary on it, I just set up some files on the computer and would make daily entries. worked fine

db


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kittymom1254 on September 07, 2007, 08:33:44 AM
Although my sweet IBD kitty, Chloe has since gone to the Rainbow Bridge I still keep track of all poop.  Don't keep a journal anymore, but noting stool characteristics is sometimes the first clue that something is wrong with Andy.  Even before he looks or acts a bit off he might have a little bit of loose stool.  After so many years of having an IBD kitty it's just second nature to keep track  ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: catbird on September 07, 2007, 10:59:31 AM
You guys ought to attend shift report in a hospital some time.  You would love it!

Seriously, I have a Manx cat and they are known for difficulties in this area, so I watch this carefully too.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: dingbat on September 07, 2007, 11:09:19 AM
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but noting stool characteristics is sometimes the first clue that something is wrong

Another thing to look for is runny eyes, or mucous in the eyes. That usually indicates something is wrong. Another thing that I do for our one boy that has this recurring yeast infection is check the whites of his eyes, if they are turning red, his allergies are up and within a day or two his yeast thing will be back.

db


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: catbird on September 07, 2007, 12:16:02 PM
After reading a couple of comments on the pet food threads, I've noticed that several people mention various indoor cat formula foods that gave their cats loose stools.  "Indoor cat" formulas often have extra fiber and barley (which is laxative) added, because for some reason the manufacturers have the idea that indoor cats get constipated more easily.  So increased looseness would be a likely result.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kaffe on September 07, 2007, 03:43:47 PM
For the longest time when my older cat was on FF and Friskies wet food and then Eukenuba and then Blu Spa, etc. he would have runny stinky poop that used to stink up the house 3 seconds after he dropped one in his litter box.  I used to think that it was genetics and there's nothing to be done about it except clean up after him.  But after the MenuFoods recalls, I put him on the higher-end kitty foods like Evo, Evangers, Felidae.  Surprise!!!  His stools became a lot more firm and less stinkier.  "Uhmmmm," thought I, "perhaps it does have something to do with DIET!"  Switched him to raw food gradually.  The day after he ate his first "pure" raw, he produced three marble-like poopies - hard as rock.  "Hmmmmm," thought I, "perhaps he needs more fiber."  So mixed veggies were thrown into his raw mix.  Day after that, he produced... voila!  THE PERFECT POOP! Firm but still a little moist; not too dark, not too light; and hardly any stink. I marveled at the perfect proportions of this marvelous poop!  Dashed back into the kitchen, put on disposable gloves, dashed back into the bathroom, knelt by the litterbox  and reverently picked up PERFECT POOP for closer examination (feel sensation, sniff sensation, magnifying glass inspection).  Sigh of immense JOY!!! It IS the perfect poop!!!  "Good BOY!!!" crooned I.  Rewarded cat with  favorite kitty cwap kibble.  Next day, NOT TOO PERFECT POOP.  Back to the drawing board. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: alek0 on September 07, 2007, 07:16:54 PM
Kaffe,that is funny. Can you reward him with some freeze dried meat if he likes crunchy stuff? All my ktties are nuts over freeze dried chicken and salmon, and it doesn't affect their No. 2s.

I also have a "logbook", or journal if you like, but not only for poop also for No.1, who went when, description for No.2, and also what food and treats I fed on that day. With three cats and feeding canned different flavor each time (they get bored eating the same thing), +dry+some freeze dried + when available some raw, it is difficult to keep track of it all. Fortunately it is very easy to keep track what comes out since every time they go they meow after they are done for someone to flush the toilet, so we usually know who went when unlike when they were young  before I trained them and there is poop in the litterbox and no idea whose it was.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kaffe on September 07, 2007, 08:49:11 PM
Hi Alek0!  I must confess my absolute ignorance about "freeze dried" stuff.  I have no clue what that is.  If I go to my petfood supply store, do I look in the freezer where I find raw food?  Is freeze dried the same as say Bonito flakes?  I have seen freeze dried treats mentioned several times and perhaps it really IS time I try this stuff with my cats.  As a rule, they get "treats" that most people feed their pets as meals; like kibble and tasty canned food. 

I also keep a "Kitty Journal" - but I only started when the Petfood recall hit late March.  I have columns only for daily (1) food; (2) supplements; (3) teeth and gums; and (4) activity level.  I will now add a column on poop and pee.  Great idea.  But I'll have to get a bigger notebook. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: alek0 on September 07, 2007, 09:04:24 PM
Freeze dried stuff - not frozen, dehydrated, like bonito flakes but salmon and chicken usually come in bigger chunks. I use Whole Life or Halo, I order both online, which one I get depends from which online store I order the stuff.

You can see more here http://search.onlynaturalpet.com/search.aspx?SH=DADBDADJDADADDDGDDDADADADBDCGFDCCNDHDFGDDDCNDEDHDDDECNGBGEDBDACNGGDFDCGBDCDEDBDJGEDHGCDEDADADADBDCDADADBDAGDGBHECNHEHCGFGBHEHDDADADADEDADADADADADADADBDFDADADADBDADADADADADADADADADADADADBDADADADBDAGDGBHECNHEHCGFGBHEHDDADADADBDB&LAP=0&PS=0~12~0~~0~0&SC=None&Action=2&AnswerID=a08ed179-c6ee-44c7-90a2-02d81a7f6ef6&mf=3 (http://search.onlynaturalpet.com/search.aspx?SH=DADBDADJDADADDDGDDDADADADBDCGFDCCNDHDFGDDDCNDEDHDDDECNGBGEDBDACNGGDFDCGBDCDEDBDJGEDHGCDEDADADADBDCDADADBDAGDGBHECNHEHCGFGBHEHDDADADADEDADADADADADADADBDFDADADADBDADADADADADADADADADADADADBDADADADBDAGDGBHECNHEHCGFGBHEHDDADADADBDB&LAP=0&PS=0~12~0~~0~0&SC=None&Action=2&AnswerID=a08ed179-c6ee-44c7-90a2-02d81a7f6ef6&mf=3)

Ingredients for Halo chicken:
Ingredients: Freeze-Dried Whole Chicken
Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein 80% min, Crude Fat 3.0% min, Crude Fiber 1.0%min, Moisture 4% max

Looks like this:
(http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/mainstreet/get_image.aspx?domain=onlynaturalpet.com&size=1&item_guid=00f2a8c2-a792-4a12-b635-a9f2d0a34518)

Only drawback I've seen so far is the cost. Awfully expensive stuff. But kitties love it, and so far freeze-dried one ingredient only things have been the healthiest treats I could find.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kaffe on September 08, 2007, 12:43:19 AM
A hah!!!  I HAVE seen those!  Thanks Alek0!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kittymom1254 on September 08, 2007, 03:59:24 AM
alek0

I thought I had the only cat that would meow after using the box so I'll come and clean it.  It's a riot...I call myself "the litter maid" because who needs an automatic box when I come and scoop after each use.   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kaffe on September 08, 2007, 01:36:48 PM
What a well-trained human you are, Kittymom!  Your and Alek0's kitties "meow" for you after they do their business.  Mine do a "victory run" after producing No. 2:  Jaga-jang-jaga-jang jaga-jang up and down tha hallway to announce to everyone, "I'm a superhero!  Look what I produced all by myself!"


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: anna_2007 on September 08, 2007, 02:58:06 PM
By popular demand, we bring you:  The Scoop on Poop

For all you fun-living pooper scoopers or serious analyzers of pet poops. 


In Tibetan medicine, because we consider the digestive fire so essential to good health, a practitioner who is successful in helping a patient to rejuvenate their digestive heat, is called a ....perfect healer.

that being said, you must know they made Human Forensic Poopology and Tinkology a 1000 year old science...but I borrow for cats...

...problems can be corrected by rejuvenating the digestive fire with a correct diet, behavioral changes, and, in some cases, by taking Tibetan herbal medicine.

Some recommendations: Take fresh, warm, and small quantities of food. Drink more boiled water throughout the day, as in Tibetan medicine boiled water is considered to be the first medicine to come to this world for the first disease, Indigestion. (Anna's note: this worked very very well when Mack had his two bouts with tainted pet food earlier in the year)

Always imagine your stomach divided into four parts where two parts are to be filled by solid food, one part with liquid, and one part is to be left empty.

Do not eat before your previous food has been digested, and try to consume light food and take some boiled water after every meal. Pomegranates, rice porridge, baby radishes, fish, and soups are also very beneficial in correcting digestive problems.

Don't know about the radishes but do know about the rice and fish and soups (chicken soup)...


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: Katie on September 08, 2007, 03:00:01 PM
This is a great topic! Since my dog has been on home cooking - I really monitor what comes out. I keep a journal so I know if some new added food has created an intolerance. Or if we need to give her a little more fiber.  And, if there is a change torwards mucous or blood, I know we have a problem.  Has anyone noticed how different this is from commercial food? on commercial food - it was always the same, hard and dried out. Makes one wonder....

Katie


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: carolo on September 08, 2007, 08:20:04 PM
By popular demand, we bring you:  The Scoop on Poop

For all you fun-living pooper scoopers or serious analyzers of pet poops. 


Do not eat before your previous food has been digested, and try to consume light food and take some boiled water after every meal. Pomegranates, rice porridge, baby radishes, fish, and soups are also very beneficial in correcting digestive problems.

Don't know about the radishes but do know about the rice and fish and soups (chicken soup)...
How do I make rice porridge?  Any reason not to share this w/ my dog?  Had gall bladder out a few years ago and between that and also needing to get rid of many pounds and being on diabetic eating plan that calls for multiple but very small meals thru the day, your post sounds very much like I eat most of the time.  I drink boiled water during and after ea meal.  (dog likes his cold...very cold)  I know when I overeat, I get a "tummy ache."  The rice porridge idea sounds tempting, but would this be like rice pudding or more like a hot rice cereal?  Uh-oh, that just brought tainted rice gluten to mind.  May lose appetite!

I love this poop thread!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: anna_2007 on September 08, 2007, 10:52:13 PM

How do I make rice porridge?  Any reason not to share this w/ my dog?  Had gall bladder out a few years ago and between that and also needing to get rid of many pounds and being on diabetic eating plan that calls for multiple but very small meals thru the day, your post sounds very much like I eat most of the time.  I drink boiled water during and after ea meal.  (dog likes his cold...very cold)  I know when I overeat, I get a "tummy ache."  The rice porridge idea sounds tempting, but would this be like rice pudding or more like a hot rice cereal?  Uh-oh, that just brought tainted rice gluten to mind.  May lose appetite!

I love this poop thread!

My days begin and end checking litter boxes... and their rear ends. This is my life.

Works for small mammals - incl. cat & dogs when they demonstrate intentionality living with/aiding  humans - a large factor for adaptations to their digestive mechanisms...

Rice Porridge - I used Dingbat's and other's recommendations - I boil white (basmati) rice (rinse 4 times, soak 15 mins, throw soak water out, replace with much water, boil 25-30 mins) until fluffy, soft and gooey, cooled it, and my sick, stinkiferous-poopiferous kitty ate it - she got into the entire bowl - and fixed her Coccidia diarreah (sp?) instantly.

PS When I had 11 bouts of Giardia "on the road" in little Tibet, they boiled a certain white rice, and had me drink the rice water. Rice Porridge. Fixed me right away. Better than those blue liver-destroying pills "flagyl" I still have them BTW... years later. Next am they grated apple into soft warm rice... even with that first hand experience I forgot about rice porride until Dingbat etc. reminded me.

When your fur protectors get sick, you tend to lose it all.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: carolo on September 09, 2007, 09:13:14 AM
PS When I had 11 bouts of Giardia "on the road" in little Tibet, they boiled a certain white rice, and had me drink the rice water. Rice Porridge. Fixed me right away. Better than those blue liver-destroying pills "flagyl" I still have them BTW... years later. Next am they grated apple into soft warm rice... even with that first hand experience I forgot about rice porride until Dingbat etc. reminded me.

When your fur protectors get sick, you tend to lose it all.
Once the entire household, 5 dogs, 4 people all had giardia.  All but one of the dogs got over it quickly.  I hate to admit it but I went w/ the vet's recommended Flagel.  We eventually lost the battle after long months of treatment for the one dog. Although I gave him boiled rice, I bet I should've cooked it longer and started him w/ rice water, too.  He was ill after puppy immunizations.  Then the giardia hit us all.  The combination of the two things was something the puppy could not seem to overcome.  I'll remember the rice pudding from here on out.  Thanks.  A dog with runny, bloody poop for months on end is a very sick dog.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kittymom1254 on September 09, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
My Persian kitty came to me with giardia and ringworm.  I used Flagyl and got clean cultures pretty quickly.  The poor guy was a mess when I got him though and terribly thin.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: anna_2007 on September 09, 2007, 01:52:24 PM
My Persian kitty came to me with giardia and ringworm.  I used Flagyl and got clean cultures pretty quickly.  The poor guy was a mess when I got him though and terribly thin.

Oh definitely - Flagyl works like a champ. that's why I kept a stash of them for emergencies only, in the outdoors. What the tib doctors told me was they'd prefer we correct the problem with less destructive interventions - more natural ones - as flagyl does takes a real hard toll on the liver. This is more complicated than saying so what, the liver regenerates... the ability of the liver to cleanse in polluted climes has been seriously degraded... and flagyl over time does a serious number on the liver.. that hasn't stopped me from taking more than my fair share of bottles over the years... when I couldn't get to the rice...

I can show anyone by comparing the pulses of a truly healthy livered person and the average person on a Western diet... the effects of a taxed liver...which you can actually "read" and those I've had a chance to show so (by having them then ingest something not the best for the body)  have a great new respect for the liver (and kidneys)... I try to stay away from harsh chemicals with toxic side effects if there are better overall solutions...

[This brings up the fact we don't just have one pulse, just as we don't just have one vein or artery - each finger has three positions top middle and lower and each finger is placed on different points on the radial and other arteries, and a host of pulses are listened to under differing finger pressures - this is the way the health of organs are read instantly - now that's the way pulses should be taken, making the single radial pulse mantra of Western medicine fairly medieval - what can be deduced from this pulse system would take thousands of dollars of blood tests - and for some detections by pulse -  there are no blood tests yet...]



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop
Post by: kaffe on September 09, 2007, 02:30:41 PM
We are "rice eaters" in this household - we love boiled rice with everything.  The only creatures that don't get rice with their meals here are the cats!  But I do remember that I mix some boiled rice with washed down tuna when my eldest cat was 2 and had a case of the poopy-runs.  Cleared that up in less than a day.  I think - and this is just conjecture on my part - that rice acts a little like charcoal - it absorbs all the baddies and takes them out with it in the next bowel movement.  If you boil rice and leave it in the water after boiling, you will notice that the rice will keep on absorbing all the water until it looks like gruel. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 14, 2007, 08:29:45 PM
POOP EXPERT HELP!!!!!!

My 9 yr old dropped a poop today and it was tipped with a drop of bright red BLOOD!!!!  I freeaked.  Examoned his butt (I always wipe cats' butts after they do No. 2) - there were tiny droplets of pinkish liquid left in the anus.  Wiped that off.  But thee wasn't enough of it to make a conclusion hat it was watered down blood.  I put on a pair od disposable rubber gloves and picked up the poop in question.  It seems normal in all other respects: firm, but not hard; moist, but not too moist.  I crumpled it, noticed that most of it looks like compacted fibers.  The poop was mustard in color -could be the zuccini pumpkin.  I am watching the cat closely, but he is behaving like his noral self: chasing Cato around, dashing back and forth accross the yard, eating his food with gusto.  What can the trouble be?  worms? dietary indescretion (ate something he shouldn't have)?  Sharp think in the food - but yeserday, he ate raw food without bones in it - just crushed and powdered eggshells.  Couldthe eggshells have irritated his lower bowels?  Just in case, I have put him on commercial wet today - Nature's Variety Instinc and will see what comes out his rear end tomorow. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: alek0 on September 14, 2007, 08:42:57 PM
Seems we are both on poop watch now. I'd say just keep watching him closely, possible that food irritated him, happened to me few times when I fed them raw since here it is a bit hard to get it really fresh, and if it isn't really fresh it irritates the bowels for Stefie and Sophie. Mitzie could eat rocks and still produce perfect poop.

Might also be a good idea to give him some yogurt or probiotics. Good luck!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 14, 2007, 08:57:55 PM
Thanks Alek0!  I'll give him some yogurt in his next meal.  I don't have probiotics here right now.  Yu-!  we are on "Poop Watch."


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on September 15, 2007, 04:07:58 AM
    Kaffe, Usually seeing a little blood in a cats stool is not considered serious unless you notice a lot of blood and it continues for more than a couple of days. Some things that may cause bleeding are: eating sharp blades of grass, bowel or stomach irritations, parasites or anal glands. Does kitty go outside?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 15, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
Hi guys! Just want to report that there was no more blood in Kaffe's poop.  He did no.2 this morning and I was watching real closely.  He produced a copiuos amount (as cats do on commercial food) and was relieved to see that none was spotted with blood.  I'll keep him on the commercial for the rest of the day and put him back on his raw tomorrow and see what happens.  Maybe he ate something he shouldn't have.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kittymom1254 on September 15, 2007, 08:50:44 AM
I'm so glad to hear Kaffe's poop was better today. ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Orange Fuzzball on September 15, 2007, 09:25:46 AM
Maybe he was constipated, and popped a little blood vessel while he was straining. Happens to humans, so I'm not surprised if it happens to cats too. In any case, glad he's pooping better now!

Funny poop story for this thread: I've been keeping track of KD's bowel habits (among many other things) since she's been sick, and writing it down in a chart if she doesn't poop in 24 hours. Last night she hadn't pooped all day so I noted it. Not two minutes after I wrote it down, she sent me a big "wanna bet?" in the form of a big stinky poop deposited in the (now uncovered for better observation) litterbox. Needless to say, I crossed "no poop" off the chart.  :P


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 15, 2007, 09:44:01 AM
OF:
Ain't that just like a cat?   :D  Hope your kitty is recovering by leaps and bounds.  I follow the stories of several kitties here at Itchmo and pray for them - yours is one of them.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on September 15, 2007, 10:15:54 AM
   That is great Kaffe that her poo is back to normal! Fingers crossed that it does not occur again.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: LoveMyLabs on September 15, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
Is this type of toilet humor thread?  ;D Actually, I don't keep a "log"  ;D but my babies consistently have good poop.  I went on a short vacation a few months back and had some friends baby sitting.  They decided my babies needed some biscuit treats and sure enough those darn Brand XXX biscuits set my babies off.

Now when I want to get away, I tell my sitters only feed this and that. I make a point to stress NOT to deviate from my feeding program.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 15, 2007, 04:51:37 PM
LoveMyLabs:

Good on ya!  Its important that we give detailed instructions to pet sitters about what to feed, what not to feed, how much to feed, etc... without deviations!

Thanks everyone for your well-wishes and prayers for good poop (does God really answer such prayers?  hee hee hee  ;D).  As it is, I put Kaffe back on his raw this afternoon becuase he was clamoring for it...


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: alek0 on September 15, 2007, 05:59:04 PM
Glad to hear that there is no more problem.

I am just a bit confused with copious amount which you attribute to commercial food, mine don't, they eat mostly commercial stuff with some raw occasionally as atreat when I find imported fresh enough (no meat from china, thank you!) and they usually produce textbook poop. I just wish Sophie would finally produce some even if it is not perfect consistency, but at least then I could relax a bit.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 15, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
Oh no... Sophie hasn't pooped yet?  How about following her around a bit and say, "poo-poo, Sophie... poo-poooo"  - that's what I do with Kaffe and when he feels harrassed enough, he goes to his litter box and drops a brick.  I like your description of the PERFECT POOP - "TEXTBOOK POOP"!!!
Oh, "copious amount" becuase Kaffe tends to have a lot more poop volume-wise whenever I give him commercial food as compared to when he has had raw food.  Of course, the better the quality commercial cat food, the less poop - I absoluely agree on that.  However, when I feed raw food as per the CatNutrition recipe, the cats produce two or three poops that are a little bigger than a kid's marble per squat.  Now, there's 3 or 4 ever since I added more veggie mix!  But when I used to feed Fancy Feast and Friskies - oh man!  The box absolutely stank and the poopies were huge! 

Plase let us know how Sophie is doing, K?  I'm praying that she'll finally poop out whatever it was she manged to eat of the tinfoil.  Are you sure she ate some?  If she did, I do hope it was a tiny tiny piece.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: alek0 on September 15, 2007, 07:33:05 PM
Thanks, kaffe! She finally did it, didn't see any foil but important thing is that things are coming in and coming out and she is active, running around playing etc., so I guess she is OK. I don't know how big the piece was, I just got stuff out of the fridge, put it on the counter and turned around to get something else when I heard rustling sound and she already swallowed it whatever it was before i could see hwta it was or stop her. I guess must have been small otherwise she couldn;t have swallowed it so quickly.

And yes, I definitely agree on difference in poop when using Fancy Feast, especially the smell, eeewww!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: ChelsAndPhoebs on September 16, 2007, 10:08:15 AM
I've got a question for those with great poop wisdom.  My dogs have had giardia for months and we've had poop problems the entire time.  I've had both of them on Flagyl 3 different times and within a week after treatment we'd get soft poop again.  Took them to a specialist and they tested positive for giardia again!  The specialist put them on something called Tylan powder and their poop was beautiful.  Had them retested and the results came back clean.  In the past couple of weeks I've introduced a new food and now I've got one who's poop is on the way to being ucky again.  I'm trying to talk myself into thinking it's the new food but I'm worried she may have been reinfected with giardia or having it for so long has messed her little system up.  How long should it take her to get use to the new food?

I'm tired of looking at poop! however, the scoop on poop has cheered me up!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: anna_2007 on September 16, 2007, 07:30:21 PM
Not two minutes after I wrote it down, she sent me a big "wanna bet?" in the form of a big stinky poop deposited in the (now uncovered for better observation) litterbox. Needless to say, I crossed "no poop" off the chart.  :P

In our house, kitty pooping is like winning the lottery...don't you just clap your hand and praise them and give them treats ... and kisses .. my new kittie is convinced her poops are very valuable: everytime we clean her litter box, she runs over intensely curious what we are doing, and as soon as we are done, she jumps in and tries her best to deliver some more.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on September 16, 2007, 08:03:59 PM
ChelsandPhoebs- It can take a week or 2 for some of them to get used to a new food. You should be seeing some improvement in the poop however.My 2 cats & 2 small dogs are pretty regular,no matter what. But I started giving the little cat cheese as a treat & oh boy ! The runs everywhere for a few days.The lab has always had an iffy stomach so he always reacts more than the others.Is there a new ingredient in the new food ? It might bother 1 & not the other.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: ChelsAndPhoebs on September 17, 2007, 04:50:54 PM
Lesliek - Thanks for the information.  My girls seemed to be doing okay while I was switching over to the new food and after about five days into the new food they started having problems.  Do you think I should give it more time?  I don't know if that is normal tummy problems caused by the food or if we need to go see the vet AGAIN and have them retested for giardia.  Right now I've got them on a prescription bland diet and am introducing Natural Balance veggie.  If that goes okay I'll try adding different type of protein and see what happens.  Bad poop and long haired dogs are not a good combination!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 17, 2007, 05:54:56 PM
What does it mean when there's a little mucus on the surface of a cat's poop?  I see this sometimes in my older cat's poop (maybe twice in as many years).  Poop is firm but not hard.  No other clinical signs or symptoms.  But what can the mucus mean?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Nabiya on September 17, 2007, 06:48:05 PM
Hi Kaffe, I'm treating one of mine right now for that, generally categorized as IBS.  Flagyl (Metronidazole) is the drug of choice.  However, she had constipation, a little blood and some watery stool and then it progressed into the muscus as the last stage of it.  But I know the mucus alone can be IBS.  My cat, Kitt'n, will be 20 in November, and it's a common disease in older cats.  Flagyl can definitely cure it though.

Flagyl needs to be used with caution in CRF cats, either not at all or very sparingly.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 17, 2007, 10:27:09 PM
Thanks Nabiya!  Good to know that IBD can do that; but I don't think IBD is a problem right now.  But I will watch it though.  I hope your kitty will be OK.  Is IBD reversable? 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on September 17, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
What would cause greenish poop? Like dark green with no grass eating.
I posted about it before and it got a little better. But still a deep shade of green.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on September 18, 2007, 11:54:15 AM
Some possible causes for green poop based on many years of cat observation:

1) eating something green or something that has a lot of chlorophyll in it--used as a odor reducer in some foods/treats/etc.  (Greenies?)  check ingredients on anything the pet is eating

2) artificial color ingredients coming through--it doesn't necessarily come out the same color it went in; reds sometimes come out green, for example. 

This is very individual--two pets can eat the same thing and one will have the funny colored stool and another will not.

3) meds

I'm sure there are many other possibilities.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: MrsP on September 18, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
In human children, dark green poop is (was/used to be? My kids are grown.) considered a sign of a virus.  My vet says sometimes animals get green poop when the human gives them pepto.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on September 19, 2007, 12:22:48 AM
Hmm, none of the above things are anything we do. No meds, treats, greenies, food coloring, pepto, viruses, or table scraps. The one food he eats is Hills D/D and his poops are firmer than they used to be since we started him on it almost a month ago. He used to have gross sloppy poops most of the time. We're checking him for allergies in about a week.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on September 20, 2007, 04:07:38 AM
http://www.badpets.net/CatHumor/RollerPoop.html

 ;D  ;D    Yes, I've been a spectator at that sport a few times.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 22, 2007, 01:56:04 AM
Hi guys!  A few days ago I asked what mucus in a cat's poop might mean.  Nabiya said that mucus in poop is one of the symptoms of IBD.  I didn't know that so I looked up IBD to see what other symptoms there could be. Apparently, vomiting and diarrhea are frequent complaints of IBD patients.  Well, my cat, does not fit that profile.  So I thought it might be something in his food.  There are two commercial cat foos that I had recently introduced and I narrowed my suspect ingredients to those two new foods.  Instinct told me that it must be something in the grain-free dry food, so I looked up each novel ingredient. Well, to my surprise, I think I may have discovered the culprit!  It is CASEIN!!!  The cats' dry food TREAT the last 2 weeks has been Serengetti Herbal Felid.  It lists casein among its ingredients.  On a quik search, I found out that casein is an histamine releaser and that it could produce mucus in the intestine! 

From Wikipedia:

“...Casein has been documented to break down in the stomach to produce the peptide casomorphin, an opioid that appears to act primarily as a histamine releaser [4]. Casomorphine is suspected by some sources to aggravate the symptoms of autism [5]..."

In another place:

Milk and dairy products cause Crohn’s disease, mucous and irritable bowel syndrome



“...Now, casein, when it's extracted from milk, it's actually a glue used to put a label on a bottle of beer. It's the glue used to hold together the wood in your furniture. When you eat this casein, this glue from milk, and your body is seeing this foreign protein, and you're producing these histamines which end up as mucus. And that's why it is mucus-forming. Again, it's a process that takes 10 to 12 hours...”
http://www.newstarget.com/002684.html (http://www.newstarget.com/002684.html)

So... I will stop feeding Serengetti and see what happens... 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on September 22, 2007, 03:12:17 PM
Wow, That is a trip. I'm going to look at the Wellness we used to feed my dog. Thanks for the tip!!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: MarleysMom on September 22, 2007, 03:43:52 PM
Kaffe, great research, now I know why I can't drink milk.

It has been amazing that people have become more informed in biology, chemistry that I ever learned in school. This is what the PFI has turned us into. It's no wonder they have becomed so intimidated of what people...pet owners have learned about the industry including rendering practices. Their dirty little secrets that they don't want people to know. All the garbage they dispose into pet food.

And finding a good Vet has become far and few between that isn't indoctrinated by the PFI.

Just very sad to learn all this stuff after my pet died.

But glad that other pets may be saved with all the research done by concerned pet owners. Great Work....


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: anabelle_katie on September 24, 2007, 06:46:26 PM
Does anyone know what will help a kitty with hard, dry stools? Will probiotics or digestive enyzmes help?
Anabelle's stools are very hard & dry, she has a bowel movement normally only every other day. Her diet consists of 80% Wellness grain free canned (which I add a little extra water to) and 20% raw (Feline's Pride).
She has also been experiencing a little bit of blood on the outside of her stools on a consistent basis. I have taken her to the vet for this and he says add fiber to the diet. He told me add dry food to her diet (NO WAY!).
I am willing to add perhaps some pumpkin or baby food peas for fiber, but do not want to go back to dry food or use a veterinary prescription diet, which my vet said he would like to try next. Actually I am in the process of transitioning her over to raw, I really don't know if I should be adding more raw to her diet til I can get the poopy problem cleared up or not.
I try to get as much mositure in her diet as I can, could the stools be so dry because she does not defecate every day and it sits in the colon too long and I need to find something to help speed up the transit time?
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
Shelly (Anabelle & Katie's human)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on September 24, 2007, 07:03:04 PM
One of my cats gets constipated too. She is a dry food lover, and eats a bit of wet food. My cats eat Wellness too.
Has Annabelle's poops always been this hard or just since the dietary change?
I think water and fiber is usually the recommended thing.
Pumpkin (Not the pie mix, just pumpkin) is supposed to be good. Couldn't hurt.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on September 24, 2007, 07:12:58 PM
   Hi annabelle_Katie,  I was having a similar experience with my kitty who also eats a raw diet. Although he never had blood in his stool, his poopies were coming out hard as rocks. Like they had been in the litter for a day or more! Adding digestive enzymes and more fiber by either using small amounts of canned plain pumpkin or oat bran, should help to soften up the stools. The blood in the feces may just be from straining, but if it should continue I would get another vets opinion.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: anabelle_katie on September 24, 2007, 07:15:44 PM
One of my cats gets constipated too. She is a dry food lover, and eats a bit of wet food. My cats eat Wellness too.
Has Annabelle's poops always been this hard or just since the dietary change?
I think water and fiber is usually the recommended thing.
Pumpkin (Not the pie mix, just pumpkin) is supposed to be good. Couldn't hurt.

HI Kim, thanks for answering. Actually Anabelle's stools have always been on the dry side, but the blood is new. She's always had Wellness (won't eat any other canned), and she never ate a lot of dry, just a couple bites here and there. My other kitty Katie was a dry food addict that's why I even had dry around. But I finally got Katie off the dry so I don't have it around anymore. Anabelle's been having a small amount of raw for months, so I don't think it's that. I am going to try the pumpkin, but am looking for alternatives in case she won't take the pumpkin willingly.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: anabelle_katie on September 24, 2007, 07:20:59 PM
   Hi annabelle_Katie,  I was having a similar experience with my kitty who also eats a raw diet. Although he never had blood in his stool, his poopies were coming out hard as rocks. Like they had been in the litter for a day or more! Adding digestive enzymes and more fiber by either using small amounts of canned plain pumpkin or oat bran, should help to soften up the stools. The blood in the feces may just be from straining, but if it should continue I would get another vets opinion.
Thanks, Laurie.
I think some cats are just prone to these kind of problems, my other kitty eats the same thing and stools aren't dry at all. If the pumpkin is not well received or doesn't help, I would like try digestive enzymes, it couldn't hurt. Does anyone have a recommendation of dosage and brand?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on September 24, 2007, 07:41:44 PM
   Three that I have used are: Perfect Form by The Honest Kitchen, Aunt Jeni's Digestive Aid and Animal Essentials Plant Enzymes and Probiotics. Dosage is stated on the bottles and can be found on their websites. I believe you can use the pumpkin or oat bran along with the enzymes if needed.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: alek0 on September 24, 2007, 10:23:28 PM
I am also using Animal Essentials Plant Enzymes and Probiotics when needed, as well as Almo nature or Applaws chicken with pumpkin food when extra fiber is needed. Pumpkin should be rather safe fiber additive.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on September 24, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
Annabelle-Katie:

My cats poopies also became very hard when I switched them over to raw.  I beleive it is the ground bone in the raw mix formula of Feline's Pride, which is the same formula I use for my home-prepared raw.  Some cats have no problem with the formula even without the psyllium husk for fiber, whereas some cats do get constipated.  Instead of psyllium husk I use a variety of vegetables for fiber and this practice has solved the hard-stool problem here.  For every 2 kilo bacth of raw I make, I add one cup of boiled mix vegetables: squash, zuccinni and carrots (all grated and then mashed) or pumpkin, broccolli and parsley (or fresh catnip).  I also chuck in two tablets of human multi-enzymes into the mix.  For probiotics, I use yogurt but I have stopped that becuase of the milk-cassein connection.  The poopies are still very very firm, but not really hard.  When I crumble up the poopies (oh, gross), I do see a lot of fiber.  But I too have seen a little blood in one of my cat's poopies, but it has not happened again.  What did happen was the appearance of some mucus coating on the poop.  I've tentatively attributed that to the cassein in the Serengetti dry that I've given the cats.  But I am still observing.  Let us know what else you see in your cat's poop situation.  Also bear in mind that most cats that are transitioned to raw go through some kind of de-tox stage which manifests itself in the strangest ways... 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on October 02, 2007, 01:21:26 AM
Update on the mucusy-poopies:  I stopped giving Serengetti dry to the cats as their once-a-day little snack-treat.  I also stopped giving yogurt and have relied on multi-enzyme tabs instead.  Also increased dietary fiber in their raw food.  This is in line with my theory that the casein in the Serengetti dry and milk prducts is causing the mucusy-poopies.  After three days of poops WITHOUT mucus, I am tentatively concluding that casein was indeed causing the mucusy-poopies.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on October 05, 2007, 12:58:49 AM
Hey, Why would my dog lick his butt/tail area so much lately? He's clean. He did it before and after bath. I  think his anal sacs are the culprit, but he mostly squirts little scent squirts out at the end of his bowel movements, which I gather is the stenchy anal sac stuff. If he's getting it out, why would he lick the underneath base of his tail so much. No fleas, I don't think he hurt it. We run him or walk him everyday. Any idears?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on October 05, 2007, 06:14:37 AM
Kim:

Hannah does the same thing.....she just had a bath so her anal sacs were emptied.  Maybe it's just yummy to them.....oh gross......:o  Dogs also lick their other private areas (& why, pray tell, do they always choose to do this right in the middle of all your company???????)

This thread is just too funny.  I know better than to start reading when I bring a sandwich in here with me.......ewwwwwww. :P

I think it was in The Whole Dog Journal a couple of months ago that I read an article on poopies & how much you can tell about your dog from checking them.  It's a subject not often discussed but I do check them every day because I believe you can tell a lot by a change in their poopies. :-\

Also, can somebody tell me where you can get pumpkin that's not the canned pie filling?  I keep some on hand in case of any problems but I keep hearing people say not to use the pie filling.....what else is there & where do you get it???????


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: mia2 on October 05, 2007, 06:21:05 AM
Kim:

I
Also, can somebody tell me where you can get pumpkin that's not the canned pie filling?  I keep some on hand in case of any problems but I keep hearing people say not to use the pie filling.....what else is there & where do you get it???????

Any grocery store on the canned fruit aisle usually sells unsweetened pumpkin. Look on the bottom shelf as I have. I bought mine at Big Lots and keep it on hand as needed.  HTH. Mia2


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on October 05, 2007, 06:24:43 AM
I have a really funny story that goes perfectly with this thread.  Thankfully, the person visiting at the time is not only a good friend but also has a dog so we both had a good laugh over this.

I have a very small yard so I try to watch where Hannah goes so I can pick it up right away....I don't want either of us stepping in it, not to mention attracting ants & flies.  Now & then I do miss one.  Apparently Hannah has been watching me & thinks these are very precious to me & I'm collecting them for something special.

A friend was here visiting & we were sitting outside talking.  Hannah was running around outside at the same time.  Suddenly she appeared between the two of us & dropped something on the ground.....we both looked & absolutely cracked up.  She found a poopie I missed & decided to bring it to me.  It was pretty funny.

My dog is a real clown......wonder where she got that from....... ??? ??? ???

Mia:  Thanks for the info on pumpkin.  I've never noticed that before but will look & pick some up the next time I'm at the store..... ;D



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on October 05, 2007, 02:23:16 PM
That is the cutest story!!
Your dog rules!!!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: ChelsAndPhoebs on October 09, 2007, 03:55:58 PM
JanC - Wow, This could really work in your favor....you may never have to pick up poop again!  Ya gotta love a dog who cleans up after herself!  Great Story.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on October 14, 2007, 06:20:51 AM
I found the pure pumpkin....sure enough, it was on the bottom shelf just like Mia2 said.  Thanks for telling me that.  Got two of them......maybe I'll add a little because I thought I read that some people add it on a regular basis.  Oddly enough, a friend called & asked me what to do about her little dog who's constipated......told her to come over & pick up a can of pumpkin.  I knew I should get two.....

ChelsAndPhoebs:  Sure wish Hannah did this on a regular basis.....ha ha.  She's done this twice & both times it was very obvious that it was not anything she'd dropped recently.  The first time cracked me up but the second time, when I had company, was even more humorous.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on October 14, 2007, 07:52:09 AM
This is kind of OT, but has anybody not seen a Kitty Litter Cake?

    (http://www.fridayzone.org/images_activities/kittyLitterCake.jpg)


Here is one version.

http://www.fridayzone.org/archives_activities/2005/12/kitty_litter_ca.html



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: MarySmith on October 14, 2007, 08:55:52 AM
Thanks for the laughs, JustMe! I would love to see the faces of guests being served this cake without any prior notice! LOL

MarySmith


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on October 14, 2007, 11:11:23 AM
Let's box up a kitty litter cake and send it to the PFI convention! ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Meowli on October 14, 2007, 11:30:26 AM
RE the canned pumpkin: If the canned fruit area doesn't have it, it could be with the baking products. Depends on the store. If the can says pumpkin as the only ingredient listed its ok. I like it to heat and eat it like squash not just for baking in pies. It's supposed to be one of the best foods for people too.
Meowli and the boys


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on October 14, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
Meowli:  I found the pumpkin but I did have to search a little.  It wasn't in any of the aisles I thought it would be.....I do believe it was in the baking aisle, below the pumpkin you use for pies.  It says pure pumpkin so I believe I got the right one.

JustMe:  Box that up, I'll come pick it up & present it to the jackasses at the PFI convention......along with the cuts & gravy stew I plan on giving them for lunch.  I think the cake will make a lovely presentation to ones who surely deserve it.

Anyone want to come along for the ride??????????


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on October 19, 2007, 07:54:44 PM
Now, these people are really into stool.  Saw first one on Jay Leno.    ;D

http://www.prankplace.com/dogpoop.htm


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on October 19, 2007, 11:46:35 PM
What's with these kibble???  First the Serengetti gave mucosy poopies... NV Instinct is OK poop-wise but Cato doesn't like it... Chicken Soup For the Pet Lovers Soul is OK for the oung one but not for the older one... ran out of everything and had to go to PetCo for an interim something... came home with Solid Gold Katz-N-Flocken even though I detest the Diamond connection... now the cats have too soft-to-runny poopies.  I added a tsp grated raw carrot to their raw and that fixed the runs... fed more SG and then runny poops again...
What I don't understand is they had SG Katz-N-Flocken several months before but did not have this problem.... I really ought to just bite the bullet (in shrilly meows and howls and much body flinging on floor from Cato) and be rid of all kibble!  Boy, his poopies stink with Solid Gold kibble!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: KimS on October 20, 2007, 12:47:52 AM
Rapidly changing your pets diet like that can cause loose stools temporarily. I think it's important to give it a few days before you try something else. Probably longer but I'm not a vet. I just know that every time I change anything with their diets, it's a little loose at first then it goes to a normal poop. Usually. If not, then ditch the foul food!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on October 20, 2007, 03:23:41 PM
Yep - could be that KimS.  Cats seem fine otherwise.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on October 20, 2007, 04:06:54 PM
I just gave the dogs & cats their first pieces of kibble in months. The little cat Oreo had the runs & Trooper the big dog had the runs & horrible gas all night. Only gave him 12 pieces. The cats 3 & 4 & the little dogs 5 & 3. I just think they are so used to homemade their stomaches can't handle it.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: anna_2007 on October 24, 2007, 09:36:36 AM
Mulan is my very best subject in my kitty poop research. She is now 4.5 months, and has to put everything in her mouth. We can hardly stop her, she is in experimentation mode, and sometimes we're curious too.

She loves: warm buttered toast with honey. After the first couple of taste tests we decided she liked the honey a tad better than the (unsalted) butter. She will jump and grab the toast off your plate in a flash when you're not looking, just like a monkey.

Warm honey produces the fastest check in time at the litter box, and the runniest most copious (but not stinkiest) poops.  :D

She loves: fresh boiled shrimp. These produce the stinkiest, medium soft poops.

She loves: medium rare kosher steak. These produce normal poops.

She eats most all the flies she catches (also produces instant poops).

She loves: water... she loves running water, she loves being in the WET tub (huh?) and plays with water drops. She comes out of the tub with her ears and head soaking wet, in the most raucous of moods.  She also loves storms.

It's good she loves water, for we are constantly washing off the soft poopie stuck to her butt, after one of her experiments.

On the bright side, she has gone from a tiny semi-starved 2-3 pound 2 month old kitty into a strong, tall, long, gorgeous silver/platinum aqua-eyed fur toddler of about 7 pounds.  We think she is actually Tonkinese not Siamese, crossed with some Harrier Jump jet and Tasmanian devil.

PS Her table manners are improving, she was feral and is now beginning to understand there is a constant supply of food and water for her, and she doesn't have to jump, or steal food.





Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on December 22, 2007, 01:20:09 PM
Isn't this the "Perfect Poop"?  Produced and brought to you by Kaffe:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2158/2128926917_71486cc7b7_m.jpg)


hee heee heeee!!!

no more mucus-lined poops



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: petslave on December 22, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
and, pray tell, was the miracle food that brought about such a perfect example of poop?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on December 22, 2007, 03:44:53 PM
hee hee heeee!!!

The "miracle food" was more a matter of avoiding certain ingredients in the home-made raw and cooked diet and the smaterring of commercial food the cats get for variety.  Ingredients avoided are:

1.  Yogurt
2.  Other dairy products like cassein and cheese
3.  Grains like soy, wheat and corn


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: mainecoonpeg on December 22, 2007, 05:25:33 PM
Show off............tee hee hee hee
Real beauties........ definitely should be posted.  Meowmie has created very healthy, happy Kaffe and Cato


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on December 22, 2007, 05:52:24 PM
Yep!!!!  Kaffe is very very proud of his poop production.  hee hee hee

... and so am I!  hee hee hee

[takes a bow]   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: ChelsAndPhoebs on December 23, 2007, 04:21:29 PM
Maybe it's a Christmas Miracle!

Beautiful Poop Kaffe!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on January 01, 2008, 08:53:56 PM
ooooppppss... not so perfect poop again... I finally got some psyllium husk pure powder and experimented on sprinkling a pinch - just a pinch - on top of Kaffe's raw... and he produced a too soft poop... ay-yay-yay
 gotta get the dosage adjusted

then, I gave him and Cato 1/4 caplet between them of human-grade acidophilus (sp?)... and they produced mustard colored poops... indicative of bacterial imbalance... ay-yay-yay... gotta get that dosage down right too.

this poop business is driving me nuts


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on January 01, 2008, 10:21:58 PM
Maybe you should stick to whatever produced the "perfect poop" and not add anything additional for now.  :-\   Don't "mess with success"!   ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on January 01, 2008, 10:34:16 PM

\   Don't "mess with success"!   ;)

hee hee hee ... you're the third person who said that to me now ...

and yes... I'll stop tinkering with the diet


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: sharky on January 10, 2008, 09:43:12 PM
My pre cushings dog with liver enlargement ... has always has IBS... She eats a basic diet with beef chn rice and potato and some oatmeal and veggies.. but to keep her poop nice she now get s pre biotics/ pro biotics/ digestive enzymes ... but the items that help the most .... Slippery elm and APPLE PECTIN .. and the occational half dose for a few days of flaygl if anyone messes with her eating


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on March 14, 2008, 03:12:06 AM
See article on sudden diarrhea in dogs posted in another thread.

http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/natures-variety-grain-fee-kibble-troublecanine-t3910.0.html;msg51389#msg51389


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on April 02, 2008, 01:53:09 PM
I'd like some opinions about this:

Several weeks back I added another grain-free food to my dry food rotation, and it caused noticeable constipation in two of my five cats.  The two ingredients that were different from foods I'd used before were montmorrillonite clay and tapioca.  I'd like some opinions on which of these would be more likely to be the cause of constipation (which my cats have never had before), so that I can avoid it in the future.

(Gee, wouldn't you know that my 1000th post would be about poop!   ;D )


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on April 02, 2008, 02:05:02 PM

(Gee, wouldn't you know that my 1000th post would be about poop!   ;D )

UH, OH!  Any new cats?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: GoingNUTZoverthis on April 02, 2008, 02:25:39 PM
catbird,

Not a poop expert but I would say tapioca because it is recommended to ALS patients as a stool binder to help with their illness.  Just my guess.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: dingbat on April 02, 2008, 03:11:19 PM
catbird

I would guess the clay??

db


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on April 02, 2008, 03:15:41 PM

(Gee, wouldn't you know that my 1000th post would be about poop!   ;D )

UH, OH!  Any new cats?

Your 'prize' from Itchmo won't be any surprise now.  :P

Maybe it's a new litter box?  I already got the cat!   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: GoingNUTZoverthis on April 02, 2008, 03:18:48 PM
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/clay.htm

catbird hav eyou seen this website

Our Earth, Our Cure - Clay Therapy
Healing Clay - Healing Earth
Clay is renowned to have many uses in promoting health in plants, animals and humans. Bentonite, Montmorillonite, Pascalite, as well as other types of healing clays, have been used by indigenous cultures since before recorded history.  Studies show that the use of volcanic ash clay internally goes back to the Indians of the high Andes mountains, tribes in Central Africa and the aborigines of Australia. Taken internally, it supports the intestinal system in the elimination of toxins. The application of clay has achieved miraculous healing of Buruli Ulcer - mycobacterium ulcerans which is similar to leprosy


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on April 02, 2008, 03:34:41 PM
I've heard about the beneficial properties of clay from several sources.  But the reason I wondered if it could be the clay was that clay (kaolin) is also the main active ingredient in Kaopectate (diarrhea remedy.)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: GoingNUTZoverthis on April 02, 2008, 03:36:27 PM
my question is why is there clay in cat food to begin with but that's just me ??? 8)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on April 02, 2008, 04:39:42 PM
I would think its the clay,thats in Natures Logic & Natures Variety. 1 of my cats had constipation with NL til he got used to it & 1 dog had it on NV. I just added acidophilus & after they were on the food for a week or 2 it was fine. I stopped using both after the NV problem.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: dingbat on April 02, 2008, 05:34:06 PM
Sometimes when using things like clay and other herbal compounds, one can actually get worse before getting better. I would suspect the clay not because it is something bad but maybe it is cleaning the cat internally and is causing the stoppage.

Wife and I used to take bentonite when we were doing colon cleanses. It grabs and absorbs toxins, but since we were doing huge amounts of fiber (psyllium hulls) there was no constipation. Maybe the clay without lots of fiber causes the constipation.

db


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on April 02, 2008, 06:45:26 PM
I would guess the clay, or maybe the combination of the clay and tapioca together.  When feeding that food, I think I would just be sure to give them something that would be a source of extra fiber to avoid the problem.  Or, unless it is important to use this particular food, just drop it from your rotation.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on April 03, 2008, 05:34:55 AM
Yes, I'm planning to drop the food for sure, but want to avoid causing problems in the future by knowing what to avoid.  (I have a manx and they are prone to bowel problems.  Cameo has no problems so far, and I want to keep it that way.)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JessiesGirl on May 21, 2008, 01:18:57 PM
What a funny topic!

I just have the one dog, and of course I have to pick up her poops. So I am very familiar with them, for better or worse! My mom laughs at my daily reports on Jessie's poop habits. She breeds and shows English Setters and is nowhere near as involved with their poops as I am with Jessie's as she uses a pooper scooper for their dogruns and in the yard while I have to use the plastic bag procedure as we walk our neighborhood and parks.  ;D

While I have to say I wasn't originally enamored of picking up Jessie's poops, it does give me a good idea of what's going on with her. And occasionally, moreso when she was a pup, things she ate that I never knew she did until I saw them come out the other end. :o My running shorts were the worst. Puppy needed an "assist'' passing those.  If that's not love, I don't know what is!  :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 25, 2008, 05:11:20 AM
O-M-G!  This...THIS is such a great thread!!

My LIFE is KITTY POOP!

My MIDDLE NAME is KITTY POOP!

I wish we could all get together to chat about this because I have so many comments and questions that if I were to write everything here, I believe the internet would have to shut down for the day.

I......I keep a diary of my 4 poo machines on a different forum.  I don't think anyone reads it though LOL.

I have been so obsessed with poop as of late, and I celebrate and inspect each and every piece.

I've been transitioning The Kibble Kats 4 over the past...what, 2 months?  Feels like FOREVER.....from free-feeding dry -- scheduled dry + wet -- scheduled grain-free dry + wet and now I'm stuck in a limbo, since nobody will eat their wet unless it has a side order of dry.  (The goal is to get to homecooked or raw..........hhhhhh.)

But ever since we got to the grain-free point (Wellness & Evo wet/Evo dry), all 4 of these guys' poop production has gone waaaahaaaaay down and had/has me freaking out enough to...start that diary I mentioned above LOL.

Not only that, but they eat waaaahaaaay less (which makes sense that poop production would be down).

I've seen them go to the box and act like they're going to go, but then decide it's not time yet...though they don't strain or anything.  They just stand there a few moments, dig once or twice, look at the wall, and then kind of look like "Hmm.  Not yet." and then they skedaddle out.



My boys are a bit over 5kg each, and the girls are about 4kg each, and I've been concerned about the small food portions they eat.  On average, this is what they eat per meal, and they get fed morning and night :

Both girls and Yoyo : 1 tbsp Evo dry + about 1 oz wet (with a little freeze-dried chicken on leftover wet to bribe them to try to finish it). 

Mooch : 1 tbsp Evo dry + 1 NV Medallion (bless his heart) or  1-2 oz wet (with a little freeze-dried chicken LIVER to bribe him to finish his wet & raw)

They poo every other day.  And the poos are small.  And hard.  (I was so relieved to see the photo of Kaffe's poops!  When my guys were eating grains, man almighty, they'd make big enough ones that made ME envious.  It's a total change!  And I've read that cats eating raw only poop every other day, but I hadn't read that about just grain-free?)

When I feed them, they're happy to eat but not with major gusto (they only go gusto for dry - I'm limited in wet selection over where I am), and they're simply not hungry to eat a lot.  They're indoor only and we live in a verrry small Japanese apartment, so I try to run around with them between my two rooms and up and down the tower and over my bed as much as possible (I wasn't expecting to be hosting 4 cats - two of them are Mom's who lives downstairs, but she always asks me to babysit), but they don't have much adventure time, as much as that really, really pains me.

Okay.  I'm writing a diary HERE now it seems.

I'm stopping.  I'm just excited to see this thread.

Of course it got warm here around the time they went all grain-free, so I can't tell if they're sleepy because of what.  But everybody plays, sleeps, drinks water, and seems to be their normal 1 yr-old selves, just minus a ton of poo.

Okay.  I really am stopping here. 

Wait - one last thing - I did buy canned pumpkin a few weeks ago at my highest worry point and mixed it in with the wet and they ate it and all was all right.  I froze the pumpkin in fingertip proportions and put them in a Ziplock.  That's all right?


Wow.  I feel better having been able to "dump" that out.   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 25, 2008, 07:07:41 AM
August, you have obviously found a group of kindred spirits here!

Some of my cats have had constipation problems with grain-free diets, especially the cats who refuse to eat most wet food.  I don't think it is just a question of smaller stool volume--they seem to have to work harder to produce it, too, and they don't seem to feel as well.  I have concluded that for my cats, grain-free dry food is part of the rotation, but two out of three meals will contain high-quality foods with some grain.  They just seem to feel better that way. 

I have not noticed any constipation problems with the grain-free wet foods.  If they all would eat wet food, I don't think there would be any problem.  It's the grain-free dry that does it.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Nabiya on May 25, 2008, 08:28:46 AM
Welcome to Itchmo, August!  Yes, many of us keep *journals* of our kitty poop and inspect every single one so you're with the right crowd!  Canned food with or without grains is sometimes just dependent on the kitty's needs.  I switched mine to canned grainless from kibble, which cleared up a lot of problems with their skin and fur.  However, the older ones didn't do as good on the grainless and became constipated.  I would supplement with fiber and eventually with Lactulose.  I'm of the opinion I would rather give canned/raw than kibble.

I see your babies are so young though so supplementing with fiber or Lactulose shouldn't be an option, although pumpkin seems to be fine at any age.  The poop from canned should be a lot less in volume because the kibble has so many fillers, thus the huge poops.  But if the stools are small and hard, and pooping every other day, is not right for young kitties.  You may have to keep them on canned with small amounts of grain or veggies as fiber. 

Wellness makes a good canned with grain, so you may want to try that, or even rotate the Wellness grainless/with grain and see if that helps.  IMO, it's more important to keep them off the kibble and on a decent canned with or without grains.  HTH!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 25, 2008, 08:42:31 AM
Hello there Poop Friends  ;),

Well, I had never read that - That grain-free diets, particularly if using grain-free dry, can be cause for constipation.   :-\

Unfortunately the Wellness with grains isn't available in Japan.  Hmm.  You mean you think I should be looking into canned foods with grains in them?  Until I can do some research on that, should I be putting in pumpkin with their wet food every day/meal? 

Ack, maybe I should go back and find those simple homemade Kaffe recipes...

Oh no, oh no, don't let the worrywart get me... :P


ETA : Yes, I'd like to get them off the kibble, but if I put wet down only, they all stand there staring at me like this :  >:(    If I put down a little bit of dry, they'll eat both.   :-\  I've got it down to 1 tbsp of dry per two meals, but I don't know how to wean down from there since they're not so excited about their wet.......   ???


PS  Catbird, when you say, "grain-free dry food is part of the rotation, but two out of three meals will contain high-quality foods with some grain." do you mean that you serve grain-free dry and two meals will have wet with grains?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 25, 2008, 09:59:08 AM
Catbird,

I have been reading about your success with home-cooking.  I'm vegetarian, too, but I've been trying a bit to buy some meats and gizzewwwds.  Now I'm all gung-ho to try that simple recipe.

For crying out loud, it's 3am where I am.   :P

I don't have an oven -- do you think the chicken thigh would taste all right steamed or boiled?

I'm going to try to find some baby food veggies tomorrow.

Wait, I need to be talking about poop in this thread.

I hope my babies aren't all feeling miserable.  I wish I could go shopping right now!!  I need to get something to crush egg shells.  And I need to get a food processor.  And the ingredients.  Heh.

How on earth am I going to be able to sleep.  Yoyo hasn't pooped yet (the others have).


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on May 25, 2008, 01:15:20 PM
Catbird,

I have been reading about your success with home-cooking.  I'm vegetarian, too, but I've been trying a bit to buy some meats and gizzewwwds.  Now I'm all gung-ho to try that simple recipe.


YES --- you can lightly boil --- I sometimes use pre-ground chicken or beef or turkey and cook that in a skillet for 5 - 10 mins until done and the juices are still in... just don't "brown" if you know what I mean. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 25, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Thank you!


::)   Lightly boil would mean putting enough water to cover the bottom of the fry pan and then letting the ground chicken in that until not pink, is that right?

Also, because I don't have an oven, I can't bake the eggshells (actually, I have a toaster oven, but it's not like American standards and as you can guess, I'm rather lame in the food-prep department).  I think I read that someone just dried one out?  Any ideas how long that takes?  It's just an eggshell that has been washed and sitting out to dry?  Then I crush it up?


Come on you four....Poop......!!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 25, 2008, 04:39:33 PM
August--sent you a PM with a little more explanation about what my cats eat.

I would think you could bake the eggshells for 5 min or so in the toaster oven.  They are much easier to crush up when baked a bit.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 25, 2008, 05:01:37 PM
Catbird,

Thank you!  I'll try toasting them some.  And thank you for your kind mail!

I'm starting to feel all confused again about what I'm feeding these 4 and what is best for them.  Urgh.   :P   Now all I can think about is getting them to poop.  And finding something they'll enjoy to eat.

My dream would be to find a food that makes them go absolutely bonkers, and then make glorious perfect poops.  That would make me so happy!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 25, 2008, 11:54:53 PM
I thought I'd come by and tell you the Scoop.   ;)   

Chami and Yoyo made lovely poops today.  I was as proud and beaming with joy as could be!   :D   Especially for Yoyo, who is always regular, but hadn't gone in what felt like ages (about 36 hours).  We had quite a celebration.   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on May 26, 2008, 01:55:25 AM
Thank you!


::)   Lightly boil would mean putting enough water to cover the bottom of the fry pan and then letting the ground chicken in that until not pink, is that right?

Also, because I don't have an oven, I can't bake the eggshells (actually, I have a toaster oven, but it's not like American standards and as you can guess, I'm rather lame in the food-prep department).  I think I read that someone just dried one out?  Any ideas how long that takes?  It's just an eggshell that has been washed and sitting out to dry?  Then I crush it up?


Come on you four....Poop......!!


I sometimes just dry the shells out under a strong sun --- which we don't get very often here in rainy rainy Oregon!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on May 26, 2008, 02:04:25 AM
OK, here's my poop observation:

1.  On a raw diet --- poopies greatly reduced in volume --- kitty may poop once a day or every other day... poopies do not stink... poopies tend to be hard.... the older the kitty, the more they strain, so adding some fiber is in order:  best fiber is pumpkin or squash.  In malting season (hairball season), adding a little psyllium husk powder helps GI motility and softens poopies a bit.

2.  On a diet that has grains or veggies or both --- poopies increase in volume ... naturally becuase cats do not digest grains and veggies very well; i.e., some nutrients are absorbed from grains and veggies, but the bulk passes to feces.  Poopies will smell depending on what kind of veggies you put in (smelly: beans, potato, peas; not too smelly: squash, carrots, parsley, zuchinni).

3.  On a diet of kibble --- poopies wil often be quite soft, even runny and smell awful  :D

4.  On a diet of cheap grocery brands --- anything can come out the other end, if you know what I mean

Just my observations  ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JessiesGirl on May 26, 2008, 02:12:06 AM
Does anyone else travel with their pets?

I try to take my dog with me. Usually she is loose the first few days, on her regular diet, due to her excitement. She refuses to nap during the day, as she normally would, and instead stays on my hours. Silly pup!

And then we go to normal consistency but narrow diameter.

Yes, this is fascinating, but if I let her stay loose too long, then we have an anal gland problem. So we are playing the 'how much immodium will let you poop normally and keep your anal glands healthy game'.  Ah, the vaulted intellectual pursuits that doggie love promotes!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 26, 2008, 03:51:47 AM
JessiesGirl, I wish I could take my kitties everywhere!!  That would be so awesome!!  (For me.  LOL)


Kaffe, thanks for those poo examples.  I've copied them into a file.  I'm not even kidding.   ;D

By the way, Mooch made his.

Now it's just down to Lulu!


Hey, Kaffe, by the way, I'm from Oregon, too!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on May 26, 2008, 04:21:22 AM
 In dealing with my own two cats I would say that feeding grain free foods definitely changes the texture and frequency of stools. As Kaffe had mentioned, foods that contain more meat tend to be readily used by the cats body. Foods that contain more grains and fillers will come out just as they went in. Two of my older cats have been on both grain free kibble and canned for quite some time. They eat less of the grain free food and both cats have had decreased stool volume and frequency since the switch. My raw fed kitty has hard poos and normally will have a daily BM.  Each food/brand will affect what type of poo they have.  I so was happy to read that your kitties went poo today. Now maybe Meowmie can relax a bit. ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 26, 2008, 04:52:37 AM
Lulu goes for the shoot............

.............SHE SCORES!   ;D


Ahhhhh, man, I'm exhausted LOL.


Laurie, I'm going to bed now.    :D    Thanks for telling me about your grain-free poo experience.  I'm really not used to seeing so little poo. 

But for lunch, I only gave 1 tbsp of grain dry (Wysong) -- their first grain in about two weeks, and Lulu's poop was much bigger and stinkier than I was expecting (not complaining!  I was very happy to greet it!).

I've gotten a bit better grip on things now (sure, it's easy to say that now that everyone has pooped LOL).

Right now Lulu is going to town on her wet food (that I mixed with a new wet topper from Japan).  I'm so happy to see that.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 26, 2008, 04:57:49 AM
August,
Glad your kitties have "come through"!   ;D

On the subject of kibble and poo--I think it depends on the individual cat and the individual kibble.  Cameo and Phantom eat mostly kibble/dry food (not my choice, but theirs), and their poo is perfect, just like that of the other cats who eat mostly wet food--unless they get too much grain-free kibble/dry, which makes their stools hard, dry, and more difficult for them to pass--my definition of constipation.

A number of years ago when the cats ate lower-quality dry/kibble that was more grain than meat, their poos were larger and smellier, although not loose.  But with the better-quality food, that changed.

I can honestly say that in many years of having many different cats, the only serious poo problems I've had have been the constipation from the grain-free kibble/dry noted in the past 6 months.  I have always fed my cats both wet and dry food.

There have been many discussions here of a particular brand of dry/kibble giving cats loose stools.  It's notorious for it.





Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 26, 2008, 05:17:39 AM
That's really interesting info, Catbird.  Thanks for sharing it.

The kibble we used to free-eat had always been high-quality, and the amount of poo (and stink) was incredible (except for Chami, who was either a bit too soft or a bit too hard).  I can't imagine poo being any bigger with a lesser quality kibble!   :o

Anyway, it's really interesting info to know that grain-free kibble might be the culprit in constipation.  I'll see how the change back to grain kibble goes!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on May 26, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
I think the kind of grain also makes a big impact... but, I have not fed that much different kinds of kibble to make generalities.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 28, 2008, 01:55:32 AM
I've been really trying not to panic and write here, but Mooch hasn't pooped since I wrote that he had about 48 hours ago.

A few hours after the 48 hr-ago poop (it was a nice-sized one), he threw up his dinner, which is odd for him.  When he has vomited in the past (and it's usually been for swallowing rabbit fur from a toy), he's made that "gg...gg..gg...gg" noise, but for this one, he was just a few feet away from me and I didn't even hear him vomit, just what sounded like smacking noise (I was in bed in the dark).

When I turned the light on to see what the smacking was, I saw one small white foamy vomit, and one more vomit of canned cat food and foam.  I'd given him a new Japanese topper (chicken) for his wet food, and all 4 ate it up.  Nobody else had any trouble.

Both yesterday and today, Mooch has had very little appetite and has been sleeping a lot.

I think he's also tired of his old grain dry,...I've got a new bag of a different favorite arriving tomorrow morning.

So he's not eating much and sleeping a lot, however, he purrs when I pet him and pushes his head against my hand, he's jumped up on my lap and kneaded & drooled a bunch, he's asked to play with his toys (but didn't play much when I got them out for him)...and just not much energy.  He's had some wet and some grain dry, also had some water, but hasn't peed today to my knowledge. 

It's 7pm where I am.  I'll try to give him some food tonight and also pumpkin...do I need to start worrying here?  Or rather, seriously worrying, I mean?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on May 28, 2008, 04:40:57 AM
I've got a cat with episodes of diarrhea for the last 24 hours.  First diarrhea we've seen since they have gotten off dry food. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 28, 2008, 04:53:10 AM
I'll give you some of mine if you give me some of yours.  Maybe then they'll equal out and make nice good ones.   :(


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 28, 2008, 05:39:39 AM
August,

Just my un-professional opinion--
Vomiting and decreased appetite can sometimes go with constipation.  If Mooch doesn't go soon, you might give him a dose of hairball remedy.  That is laxative and should help him go.  If he is in the habit of eating toy fur, he could have some of that inside too.  You might try something gently warm on his tummy too.

If he shows signs of pain, or doesn't go within about 8-12 hours after the hairball remedy, I'd take him to a vet.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on May 28, 2008, 06:27:29 AM
August- Just to be safe I wouldn't use any of the Japanese topper again either. At least til you are sure it wasn't from that.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 28, 2008, 06:58:16 AM
Hi guys.

My worry got the best of me when I saw Mooch looking totally zoned out.

So I'm back from the vet $250 poorer (it's 11pm here so there was a tremendous fee), but 1,000,000 times lighter.

They took an X-ray and showed me that Mooch had poo waiting at the door, and plenty of it.  He also had gas waiting around the corner.  And a full stomach, much to my surprise, since he barely ate anything in the last two days, or so I thought (and when I say "so I thought," it means, these guys really just don't need a lot of food apparently, because he really did NOT eat much, and I was hovering over his every meal since yesterday....well, okay, every meal.   ;)  )

But the doctor didn't think it was enough concern to do anything about it, but to watch that he goes tomorrow.

She recommended gently massaging his tummy.

And finding a food that agrees with him better.   No kidding!  >:(    ;)


Thanks all for your suggestions.  Jeezus, this food thing.  Urk.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 28, 2008, 10:03:19 AM
Glad Mooch is so far OK per the vet.  I'm glad you were able to ease your mind.

Hoping he goes by tomorrow!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on May 28, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
August:  Sorry you had to take Mooch to the vet in all that worry, but glad that Mooch is quite OK - just in need of pooping.  I think Mooch can benefit from additional fibers in his food... pumpkin, squash are good and the hairball remedy is a great laxative.  Whenever I get antsy and want Kaffe to "go", I gently stroke his belly from mid-belly down towards the business end repeatedly, mimicking what a momma cat does to her kittens to make them poop (licking the belly area). 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: TBOBINA on May 28, 2008, 11:08:37 AM
Hi Mooch or should I say August lol!  Glad to see you here on Itchmo, still having poo poo problems I see, awww, wish there was something we could do to help you.  I know from experience that with my kitties when I switched them to grain free canned that they had this problem too, but no problems now, Ijust gave them some laxative and or some hairball formula. I do not give it to them anymore, but had to the first month or so on their new diet.  Now they get a bit of Oat grass that i grown in a pot, once a week.  Hope everthing works out for you,
purrs......from Shadow and Wilson.
P.S  They even have had a dab of butter or vaseline here and there, mol!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 28, 2008, 07:22:22 PM
Thanks for the good vibes, everyone.

Still no poop.   :'(   We had breakfast with grain dry and grain-free wet w/pumpkin, and we've been playing "Let's Get That Poop Out!" games of feather toys, tummy rubs and paper noise-making.

I have to leave for work in two hours.  I sure hope little Mooch Pie will make one by then. 

At least he peed.  And I notice him drinking water frequently.

When switching to grain-free, did you guys give pumpkin and whatnot at every meal?  Do they become dependent on it?

We are going to go back to 50/50 dry (grain) + wet (grain-free) until everyone is on pooping schedule again, then slowly start weaning again.  That sounds like a sound plan?


Oh, hiya!  "TBOBINA"!  LOL!  You sure were right, Itchmo is the most incredible place and I've learned so much and slept so little!  LOL.


Okay, more playtime.  Gotta get that poop inspired.   :)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Nabiya on May 28, 2008, 07:36:53 PM
August, are you finding that he's is pooping at least every two days, or about how many hours apart?  It's easy to get poop insane over watching them.  But sometimes that's just going to be normal for him on a certain type of diet.

If your journal shows that he is pooping at least once every two days then maybe that will be normal for him, and just keep doing what you're doing then, including the pumpkin.

If they are consistently not pooping every 48 hours, you may need to supplement with meds like Lactulose or Miralax.  But it would surprise me with their young ages to have to use these drugs.

Hopefully you can just find the right mix of foods and stick with it.  I would also be cautious about changing their food patterns too often.  Some kitties need time to settle in to a new mix of foods before you can see what "normal" will be.  HTH


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 29, 2008, 04:43:46 AM
Thank you, Nabiya,

I'm finally home from work.  I couldn't keep my mind on anything but little Mooch.

When I got home, Mooch slowly but happily jogged to the door to greet me, the cutie.

I was so hoping to find poop in the litter box, but there was nothing.   :'(   


It's Thursday night and the last time he pooped was Monday night.  (He usually goes once a day, then when we went grain-free he was going every other day.)

I fed him and Cham their dinner (with pumpkin), and then Mooch went to the box....he peed, and then he scratched around a while and then tried to poop....he managed out a marble's worth (his x-ray showed a lot more). 

Hhhhhhh.

He's eating and drinking and peeing and asking to play with toys (or rather, asking me to take them out so he can look at them...)

OMG, he's going into the litter box as I write this! 

OMGOMGOMG!!!  He was able to get a good one out!  I'M SOOOOOOO HAPPY!  I'm totally crying!   :D :D


Is there something I should do in the next couple of days for him?  Do you think I should continue to give pumpkin for a few days?  I don't know if it's the pumpkin or the grain dry that I'm now giving, but Chami has been having really fantastic bowel movements and is extremely hyper and feisty LOL.  She eats tons more wet when there's a yummy dry out.

If Mooch had this episode, does it mean it will be easy to happen again?

As for getting medicine for constipation,...I feel really unsure about buying foreign medicine, even for myself (basically I don't take medicine).  Plus, I can't really read the ingredients (in Japanese).  I would prefer using pumpkin puree or yogurt, unless someone thinks that might be unwise.


Oh man, this was the worst three days.  All the worry had ME constipated LOL.

Hopefully we'll be back to normal from now.  Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on May 29, 2008, 05:23:46 AM
August, If Mooch was pooing everyother day on the grain free food I would switch him back to it gradually by mixing it in with whatever dry you are currently using. Constantly changing and trying new foods can also reak havoc on their young systems and also make for very finicky eaters. And yes I would continue to add pumpkin to the wet. I would also suggest that Meowmie try to relax a bit as all the kitties can pick up on your stress and that too could be a factor. I believe you had mentioned that you had been using Solid Gold Catz N Flocken for their dry. Have you ever tried their Indigo Moon?"


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 29, 2008, 05:27:19 AM
Agree with Laurie about keeping up the pumpkin for now, and gradually switching into the grain free dry if that is what you want them to eat.  So glad to hear that Mooch feels better!  and that you feel better, too!

(Amazing what we can get excited over, isn't it?)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 29, 2008, 05:46:11 AM
Thanks Laurie and Catbird.

I'll continue with the pumpkin for a few days.  And I'll continue to show my  ;D.

Yoyo, Lulu and Chami were all on the constipated side, too, while on totally grain-free.


The only grain-free dry food that is available in Japan is Evo dry (which for now is what I'll assume was the culprit for starting the constipation) and Orijen dry (which they don't really like).

No dry.
Grain-free.

This is the most natural, healthy diet if they can eventually get to that mark, is that right?

What do you suppose would be a good strategy to get them there, what with the dry situation I have?  At some point down the road, should I introduce them to wet with grains?  (Not anytime too soon, obviously, sheesh.)  You think once things are back to normal with everyone, that I should start to mix in the Evo dry with the Katz?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Laurie on May 29, 2008, 05:56:12 AM
 One lil step at a time. If they all prefer dry at the present, I would first find a grain free kibble that works well for them. After that has been established, only then would I introduce a few varieties of canned. Then when and if they accept the canned you can then try to wean them from the kibble. Petsage.com offers very good brands and also has very knowledgeable people you can speak with. So if you are able to order from them that would be a good place to start.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on May 29, 2008, 10:10:16 AM
Excuse me for jumping in here.......but I found something that I thought I'd share with you (it's for dogs because I don't believe cats have this problem).

Don't ask me where I was reading this but if your dog suffers from coprophagia (medical term for poop eating), somebody said to give them a half or a whole Fig Newton twice a day.  I really read this.......said it works.  I've heard about pineapple, pumpkin & spinach but this is a new one on me.

 ;) :) :D ;D 8) :o :P 



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on May 29, 2008, 10:50:14 AM
JanC- Do you remember if it was only for eating their own,or would it help keep them out of the cats ?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on May 29, 2008, 11:56:27 AM
Leslie:

Let me see if I can find where I read that......I'm assuming it's for their own but I don't know that for sure.  I do so much reading that sometimes it's very difficult for me to find previous articles that I read.  I will try to find it & get back to you....... 8)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 29, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
Laurie,

Thanks for the info on PetSage.

Apparently they will only be carrying Pinnacle Feline, Innova Evo, Orijen Cat and Kitten, Wellness Core, and ZiwiPeak from this year.

I guess I could try ordering Pinnacle, Wellness Core or ZiwiPeak and see how those go for their grain-free dry.  I'll look around a bit more.


ETA : They all do eat canned, just 1~2 tbsp at a sitting, and only if it's with dry.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kittylyda on May 30, 2008, 06:29:12 AM
August,
Just catching up here with your poop problems!  If Mooch is having continuous trouble w/constipation I would keep giving him the pumpkin.  I give it to my elderly constipated kitty with every single meal. I also agree that if you are changing the diet a lot you are going to see some digestive upset and changes stool production.  Keep in mind that some kitties don't poop everyday.  I have one that seems to be on an every other day schedule at times.  However, if you see no poop for 3 days or more I would think then it's time to become concerned.

Getting them off kibble completely may help with the constipation issues.  I think I already mentioned this, but we had constipation on a grain-free canned food diet so I went to low-grain canned food.  No kibble at all.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on May 30, 2008, 07:34:47 AM
August-My 2 had trouble when going to grain free also.1 with constipation & 1 with diarhea. They are on totally homemade now except for a few pieces of Nature's Logic or Zukes treats maybe once a week. I add 1/2 cup cooked oatmeal & pumpkin to each batch of food & that keeps them regular.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: TBOBINA on May 30, 2008, 09:39:16 AM
August you may find this intresting.....You know I feed grain free wet only (Wellness and EVO).   Well for the last few weeks I have been giving them about 8-10 pieces of dry Evo kibble as a treat.  Guess what they are now experiencing constipation, weird eh!!  they are getting these ones that come half way out, rrrrrr >:(  Guess I will have to quit the treats and give them something to get them regular again.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 30, 2008, 05:35:07 PM
This IS all very interesting.  Thanks everybody.

Wow on the Evo dry treat, Tbobina.  We're totally off the Evo dry now.

As soon as I re-introduced Katz N Flocken as their dry (they're still served grain-free wet, but they'll only eat about a tbsp at a time), Chami's appetite has grown and she's had really good poos and lots of energy...though this morning Cham's poo was on the small pieces size, instead of the nicely shaped ones she had yesterday and the day before, I'm not sure why.

Mooch has been pooing regularly (daily) since the day before, but today he almost wouldn't eat any of his Wellness chicken wet food (which has the pumpkin in it). 

I split half a 3 oz can between the two of them, and I'd say half the wet is left.   :(   I gave each of them 1 tbsp of dry and that's gone (neither of them finished even the dry at first).


Kittylyda, we actually never had poo problems until we went of the kibble and/or went grain-free (including grain-free kibble -- well, Evo dry).  But I'll continue to do the pumpkin for just a few more days.  (As I write that, Mooch is taking a dump  :D  -- ooh, and it's a nice consistency, yay!  Though a little stinky, darn kibble.)

Lesliek, so you give your guys pumpkin and oatmeal at every meal.  Interesting.  Is the homemade recipe you make somewhere posted where I could see it and copy it for possible later use?

Man, I just wish these guys would eat more of their wet...but at least we're back on the road to regularity.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on May 30, 2008, 07:44:19 PM
August- Its basically one of Pitcairns recipes,except that I have made changes to it. I don't use anywhere near as much grain as he calls for & I don't use as much of the healthy powder,or even use the hp every batch. I am making about 12 days worth at a time & adding the 1/2 cup oatmeal & 1/4 lg can pumpkin to that. So it is spread out over about 24 meals.  I do add steamed pureed veggies also & the vit E & taurine & other supplements after it cools.The fish oil they get once a day on top of the food & milk thistle[don't know if they really need that,but it made such a difference for the dogs after the pf problems that I use it].If you don't have his book,or Strombecks I can send you some recipes from both when you are ready to try them. I would get things settled down with the other problems you've had first though.Too many changes at once will only make the problems worse.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 30, 2008, 08:20:50 PM
Lesliek,

Thank you for your kind offer to give me a recipe or two once things are at that point for us.


I just fed lunch and Cham ate a ton including wet (all of the 1 tbsp grain dry + probably about 2 tbsp of wet with pumpkin)!  I wonder if she likes the taste of pumpkin in it that's given her such a big appetite these last few days (although I know she does eat more wet when she has a yummy dry with it)?

Mooch on the other hand is really boycotting the wet.  I wonder if he's leery of it after having thrown some up on Monday.  He used to make the rounds to the other bowls searching for leftover dry, but these last couple days, he hasn't even been finishing his 1 tbsp of dry (though he did do a nice poop three days in a row after his bout of constipation).

He was asking me today for his freeze-dried chicken liver.  I decided I'd verrrry lightly dust his wet with it, and as soon as I did, he ate some of it (I'd like him to get in the wet because the pumpkin is in it).


Anyway, I don't know if it's the pumpkin, or the reintroducing a dry with grains, or stopping the Evo dry, but everyone seems to be back on a good pooing schedule.  I'll continue with this for the next few weeks before even thinking to transition anywhere.

Thank you!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 31, 2008, 01:37:07 PM
A lot of cats really do like the taste of pumpkin.  I've had a couple who would immediately be on the scene and snarfing down the stuff from inside the pumpkin when we carved them for Halloween.

Glad to hear the kitties are doing well again.  Some cats do develop aversions to certain foods after getting sick on them (just like people.)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 31, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
A lot of cats really do like the taste of pumpkin.  I've had a couple who would immediately be on the scene and snarfing down the stuff from inside the pumpkin

LOL!

I just served breakfast and Chami didn't eat as much as she'd been eating in the last couple days...and then I realized that I'd forgotten to put in the pumpkin!

And Mooch, who had been boycotting the wet, had some (not much, but more willingly than when there was pumpkin in it).

I'll add the pumpkin to their lunch and see what they think.


And since we're Talkin' Stool, to keep with the thread theme, Chami did #2x2 yesterday which is very rare for her, and they were both very lovely.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on May 31, 2008, 04:50:23 PM

And since we're Talkin' Stool, to keep with the thread theme, Chami did #2x2 yesterday which is very rare for her, and they were both very lovely.

ha ha ha ha... only a devoted meowmie will call perfect poop "lovely."   :D :D :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JessiesGirl on May 31, 2008, 05:38:44 PM
JanC-my mom has some coraphagic dogs. She introduced a new bloodline into her kennel and I swear 80% of those dogs and their progeny are poop-eaters! What's up with THAT?

Besides that it is a disgusting habit, it makes their teeth much more vulnerable to plaque. That or some other bloodline quirk--not sure if it's directly related to the poop buffet or the bloodline in some other way. But man, is it a total turn-off to otherwise beautiful and loving puppies. ( I call all dogs puppies.) Just a big EEEWWW when they want to kiss you.  ::) 

I would have major issues with a doggie who did this on a regular basis. The only poop issue I have with Jessie is that she loves nothing more in this world than to roll in fresh bird poop.  Still EEEEWWWW, but nothing a bath or a baby wipe can't fix.  :-X


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on June 02, 2008, 03:03:36 PM
JG:

I don't think they have any idea why dogs do that gross thing.  I know in the wild that it's a natural thing (especially mothers picking up after their babies to protect them from predators) but vets have varying views.

I personally think Hannah got started on it because she was left in the backyard with little or no human interaction (with another dog but that's not the same thing).....one vet said it's boredom......another said stress or anxiety.......yet some others say they are missing nutrients & recycling it once more for the nutrients (trying to be delicate here).  My other Lab was into it but she was always scarfing up piles left from wild animals which is much worse.  So I had to watch her every minute until I was sure she was no longer "munching".

I think it's pretty common but it's something that most people don't bring up in a normal conversation......ha ha...... :o


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JessiesGirl on June 09, 2008, 10:59:18 AM
Quote
I think it's pretty common but it's something that most people don't bring up in a normal conversation......ha ha...... Shocked

No, they don't! LOL I was at a friend's house once and their two rat terriers were scooting to beat the band. So I tried to explain to them what was going on, and the second the words 'anal glands'  escaped my mouth, I knew I was never going to be asked back.  ;D



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JanC on June 09, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
 :) :) :) ;) ;) :D :D :D ;D 8) 8) 8) :o ::)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on July 01, 2008, 06:51:06 AM
How on earth does a girl go into the litter box and come out with poop stuck on her BACK?!   :o ???

I do not know how the girl did it, but I saw Chami go into the litter box (no hood).  She hates to put her feet in the litter, so she always props her body up at the corner with her little leggies on the top of the sides of the box and squats down to do her thing.

(We've always used the same litter and the same ScoopFree automatic litter box since day one, but a month ago when she was propping her body up as usual, she inadvertently stepped on the ON button -- what numbskull designed the box to have the button where they can step on it?!  --  and since there was nobody in the box for the sensors to pick up on, the rake came out and scared the bjeezus out of her   :P  ..... and then the Monster Box was born.  That week, when she'd have to go, she'd sit in front of the box and meow for a few minutes before going in, poor girl...and then one time I woke to find there was a little poo accident just outside the box......so I've got the box turned off now and she's using it as usual.)

Anyway, as I was saying, the girl gets in to do her thing, has a nice, regular poo, and zooms out, also as usual.  But then she keeps zooming around enough to make the other 3 hyper and curious (and me, curious, too).....I finally catch up to where she is, and find she's got poo stuck on her BACK!?

Weird!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kittylyda on July 01, 2008, 07:08:03 AM
Hey August,
Just an idea, but if little Chami was traumatized by the auto-litter box going on, maybe you could get a regular box for her convenience.  Sometimes if they are afraid of the box for whatever reason, I've seen them stop using the box altogether and start peeing/pooping around the house.  No one wants that!  ;)

My elderly constipated kitty often emerges w/poop on her in various and odd places if that is any consolation!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on July 01, 2008, 08:01:27 AM
I've had those "perching" kitties emerge with poop in odd places, too--it happens.  :D   I've noted this is more likely to happen if they are constipated, and usually it does freak them out and they zoom around because they want it "off, right now!"

If she hates to put her feet in the litter, would it be possible to try another brand?  Sometimes they don't like the feel or smell of one kind for whatever reason, but will put their feet in another kind.

Cats are just weird.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on July 01, 2008, 02:05:08 PM
August:  You need a PLAN for Chami.  Sounds like she was really spooked by the auto-cleaner and that always spells some kind of psychological "halt" every time Chami needs to "go."  She may also be holding her poopies in too long in order to avoid the "monster" in the box --- hence, constipation.  My suggestion (and mine only - you're free to trash it, mate - I don't know everything, K?):

1.  Replace that automatic litter box with something that looks very very very different and situate it exactly in the same place, but a slightly different configuration.  If the original box was high side, get a low side.  If it was white, get a colored one.  If that automatic box needs to be in that spot, then put the new very different box in another place, making sure Chami knows that it is there and what it is for.

2.  Put an entirely different litter filler type in that new box so that Chami does not associate that box and litter with the automated one. 

3.  Everytime Chami poops in the new box - reward her right away with food.  Actually a lot of cats like to eat immediately after pooping --- ask Alek0 - her cats are like that and mine too.

4.  It is a good habit to wipe your kitties' butts after they do No 2... this prevents impacted anal glads - beleive me, you don't want that happening!  I use ordinary baby wipes.

Good luck!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on July 01, 2008, 03:40:58 PM
Oh woah, I didn't expect those responses.

She's not constipated and she's using the box as normal, and having daily, good poops.......although when she first came to me (ten months ago), she did have some history of being a bit too soft or a bit too hard (I figured it had to do with her being the skittish one of the group), but that almost never happens now, and yesterday's poop was a good consistency (and now that the box is off and not making the rake noise after someone goes, she hasn't been hesitating to go in...so in essence, it is just a normal box right now).

You still think that I should look into a new box and litter?


*The reason I got the automatic one is because I often have weekend business trips.

*Only Yoyo covers his business of the 4, but I figured it had to do with with their being the litter of 2 ferals....


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on July 01, 2008, 04:49:20 PM
Kitties who "perch" on the box usually do so for a reason.  They are telling you something.   Cats can have funny quirks about the kind of litter they like.  My thought about trying another litter was along the lines of perhaps making Chami a bit more comfortable with the box, so that she would actually get in it. That would prevent more "box terrorism" incidents when you do have it plugged in.




Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kaffe on July 01, 2008, 04:50:51 PM
Oh woah, I didn't expect those responses.

She's not constipated and she's using the box as normal, and having daily, good poops.......although when she first came to me (ten months ago), she did have some history of being a bit too soft or a bit too hard (I figured it had to do with her being the skittish one of the group), but that almost never happens now, and yesterday's poop was a good consistency (and now that the box is off and not making the rake noise after someone goes, she hasn't been hesitating to go in...so in essence, it is just a normal box right now).

You still think that I should look into a new box and litter?


*The reason I got the automatic one is because I often have weekend business trips.

*Only Yoyo covers his business of the 4, but I figured it had to do with with their being the litter of 2 ferals....

 ;D In that case -  ALL IS WELL!   :D :D :D  Sorry - I must have misunderstood your post.

Nah - don't change the box --- seems there is no longer a reason to!  :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on July 01, 2008, 05:41:25 PM
Kitties who "perch" on the box usually do so for a reason.  They are telling you something.   Cats can have funny quirks about the kind of litter they like.  My thought about trying another litter was along the lines of perhaps making Chami a bit more comfortable with the box, so that she would actually get in it. That would prevent more "box terrorism" incidents when you do have it plugged in.

I had actually started to look into new boxes when I saw that Chami felt hesitant to get in the ScoopFree after the little mistaken button incident.  But I was looking for a box that had flat ledges so that she would have the option to stand on it more easily, and during my research on it, it seemed that Chami had decided the box was safe again, since I turned it off and the rake never made noise.  There was also a little mat I had in front of the box (she did her little accident on this mat, and I noticed that after the accident, she would always scratch this mat before going in the box), so I took the mat away, and she seemed to think that solved the problem.

But there's no doubt that she dislikes the litter and doesn't want to get in it (the other 3 don't have a problem with it).  But this is really all she knows (I did try other silica beads - those are the only things that work in this litter box -- and she wouldn't use it) so I can't imagine what she might find acceptable, considering anything else I would get would be totally new to her.  But I wonder if it would be good to do?  I'd hate to think she's holding anything or feels bad in any way going to her bathroom.

I actually found a litter box that looks like a little toilet with places to put your feetsies.  You put litter inside it, like where water would be for a human toilet, so the cat never touches the litter.  It's supposed to be designed for the tiny Japanese apartments because it's quite compact.  But I read the reviews and it seems most of the kitties use it only for urinating.

Hmm.  Something to think about.  Thank you guys for your responses.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kittylyda on July 02, 2008, 06:51:54 AM
Oh woah, I didn't expect those responses.

She's not constipated and she's using the box as normal, and having daily, good poops.......although when she first came to me (ten months ago), she did have some history of being a bit too soft or a bit too hard (I figured it had to do with her being the skittish one of the group), but that almost never happens now, and yesterday's poop was a good consistency (and now that the box is off and not making the rake noise after someone goes, she hasn't been hesitating to go in...so in essence, it is just a normal box right now).

You still think that I should look into a new box and litter?


*The reason I got the automatic one is because I often have weekend business trips.

*Only Yoyo covers his business of the 4, but I figured it had to do with with their being the litter of 2 ferals....

I was just suggesting that if Chami is afraid of the auto-box, you may want to add a regular box that she is not afraid of.  You don't want her to stop using the box altogether. If the other cats are OK with the auto-box no reason to get rid of it.  If you do add another box for Chami, you could look into a litter that might be more acceptable to her, as catbird suggested.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on August 06, 2008, 03:28:04 AM
I did get another box, and it turned out to be so much easier to clean than that dang ScoopFree, that I decided to replace that, too.   :D  We've been using the new boxes now for a little over a week, I think.

So now I've got one new box with paper litter (which is Chami's, and is placed over the area she had her accident -- she seems to be quite happy with it), and another new box placed where the ScoopFree was, with the old silica litter.


Anyway, Chami went to do #2 this morning, stood in her paper litter for a few moments and left without having done anything.  Then this evening, she went up to the boxes and looked at them both - right one, left one, right one, left one...... and she went into the one with silica to do her #2! 

I was kind of surprised.  I know some cats like to have one box for #1 and another box for #2.  But I'm thinking Chami was thinking, "Hmm.  This morning, this paper litter one didn't work for me, so I think I'll try the silica one tonight."  LOL.

I'm actually hoping to gradually change the silica one to paper, too, after they've really gotten used to the new box completely.  I hope Chami's decision to use the silica for her #2 today was just the box placement!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on May 08, 2009, 05:14:46 PM
I forgot we had this thread.  No cwap issues to talk about?  We're still getting intermittent loose stools with one of the kittens, as well as one of the 1-year-olds.   :-X  The dogs are doing well on grain-free kibble and canned.  No stool problems.  Knock on wood.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 08, 2009, 06:11:17 PM
Heheh, I love this thread!   :D

We're using our two regular ol' boxes that we love (sooo much easier to clean for me), and we're using paper litter.

Chami sits in the litter to pee, and she wobbly-balances on the sides for #2, so I'm thinking it's not a litter issue but rather she finds the whole pooping issue "grodey" LOL. 

She must have some strong thigh muscles by now, I tell ya.  ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Cato on May 08, 2009, 08:48:43 PM
OK... Cato has a nasty habit of leaving a very well-formed piece of poop sometimes by a window or by a oor whenever he sees something outside not quite to his liking.  I use to think these were "accidents" (when he was younger), but I have noticed the "pattern."  It is a rare occurance and sometimes I think the pieceof poop is his "calling card" - like, its taken the place of spraying.  It happens at least once everytime we move.  Anyone else's kitty do this idiosyncracy?   :D  GUess, what I'm getting at is this" cats sometimes use their poop as warning to other cats that "a healthy cat has taken residence here."


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catwoods on May 08, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
Yep, I've seen this happen. A variation is, uncovered poop in the litter box when there is a new incoming cat in the household; done by a previously "tidy' kitty. Both the older residents and the newcomer will do this, each cat trying to achieve dominance through scent.

When you read about the behavior of small wildcats in the natural setting, there's a lot of discussion about poop as communication. Piles of poop are used as major signals to other cats to "keep off" within the territory that each cat claims as his/her own. Never right around where the den is, or the eating areas, where the poop is covered to foil the keen noses of larger predators, but around the periphery. They spray the area too - "the frosting on the (odor) cake", so to speak.

It makes perfect sense (to a cat) for Cato to leave poop in a prominent spot when you move - he has gone to a new location that may contain who knows what other cats (from his viewpoint), so he scent-marks to stake his claim. After a time he realizes the area is secured from other cats (in his view he did this himself via his poop signals), so he doesn't need to "mark" routinely any more - except when he does see another cat or other animal around the place.

I'm happy to report that my cats are doing very well poop-wise, it's well-formed and well-aimed, usually landing in the box. I hope everyone's kitties have good poops, and soon!   


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on May 09, 2009, 05:57:13 AM
Almost hate to say this out loud and jinx myself,but no major poop problems here lately either ! Sil's cat Fonzie does the marking near the basement windows whenever any of the ferals get too close to the house.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on May 09, 2009, 06:38:27 AM
Since I've put a little grain back into my cats' diets, the poops look a lot better. I wish I could get Pip to cover hers -- she just stops, drops and bolts. Katey has given up on the litterbox. We have a room in the basement with no floorcovering and she goes wherever (except for pee - she likes and empty litterbox -- or dh's shoes). Hey, when you're 20, you can pretty much do whatever you want. At that equivalent age, someone would have me in depends.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: julia on May 10, 2009, 04:25:34 PM
Perhaps a silly question, but what is a healthy cat's poop supposed to look like? Mine usually produces small to medium, firm, dark brown poops. Is that normal?

Edit - Just looked in her litterbox, and there are 2 poopies, one dark brown and one of slightly lighter shade  ???



Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 10, 2009, 04:32:52 PM
For many cats, the color of the stool changes a little based on what they ate at the previous meal.  Color change is usually not a sign of a problem unless it is drastic.

Your description sounds very normal to me.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: TBOBINA on May 10, 2009, 05:39:05 PM
Perhaps a silly question, but what is a healthy cat's poop supposed to look like? Mine usually produces small to medium, firm, dark brown poops. Is that normal?

Edit - Just looked in her litterbox, and there are 2 poopies, one dark brown and one of slightly lighter shade  ???


That all depends on what you feed your cat, if you feed a raw diet the result is a large reduction in the amount and frequency of stool elimination, and the stool does not have much color at all. "There is less waste in a raw diet and your cat or dog will absorb more nutrition than when they ate a commercial food.   Most commercial pet foods are filled with indigestible (however palatable) ingredients that cause dogs and cats to overeat which creates the need to eliminate several times a day.  Animals on raw diets generally eliminate just once a day or even every other day.  In addition, this kind of digestibility greatly reduces stool odor and is a healthy and more natural occurrence, just as in the wild.  Simple test: stools from well-digested foods with very little waste, when placed in water will float, not sink."
I found this from a site called felineinstincts.com


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 10, 2009, 07:08:58 PM
I think I read once that when human #2s float it's due to too much fat in your diet.  Weird.

Julia, just for reference, we eat grain-free wet and dry (more dry than wet, much to my chagrin), and we all poop about once a day, and sometimes in sort of a 36-hr rotation LOL.

My girl usually has 4 or 5 small dark compact clumps.  My boy usually makes a medium-colored long log plus a clump or two.  (They have one more sister and one more brother and theirs are something sort of in between.)   ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Cato on May 10, 2009, 07:22:35 PM
THe color of healthy kitty poopies can range from light brown to dark brown.  Black, grey and yellow poopies are often signs of GI trouble: black tarry stools often mean bleeding in upper GI tract; grey or yellow means pancreas trouble.  Very soft brown-mustard can indicate a little malabsorption sometimes.  The color and amountof stool produced i of course influenced by what the cat eats.  Pet food with a lot of fillers will produce voluminuous, sometimes stinky poops.  The best poopies I've seen produced by any cat of mine were when they're fed a raw diet.  Next best is when fed cooked home made or high quality commercial food.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: julia on May 11, 2009, 05:08:45 AM
Thank you all for your replies. You made me feel good about my cat's poop ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 19, 2009, 11:51:08 AM
So Chami has now figured out that it's waaaaay easier pooping while standing flat on the carpet near the litter box rather than trying to squeeze one out while clenching up her butt muscles in order to balance on the edges of the litter box.   :P

(She stands in the litter box to pee.)

Actually, as you can imagine, she's making much better poos doing it this way, so I'm happy about that,...but...  :-\

I got a couple pet sheets from my brother last night, so tonight I took Cham's fresh poop and just sort of touched it to the sheet, and now have the sheet where she's been pooping on the carpet.  I'm hoping she'll feel comfortable to use the sheet and not decide that now she needs a different flat place. 

Am I doing a good thing putting that sheet there?

Her poos are a good consistency and are very easy to clean up, thankfully.  She is eating and drinking and playing and everything is normal,...I'm confident she just realized it's easier to poop on the nearby carpet.

Hmm, I wonder if an empty litter box would be good?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on May 19, 2009, 02:41:39 PM
August,

Katey decided she didn't want to use a litterbox with litter in it ages ago. So now she pees in an empty litterbox, but she poops on the floor next to it. This is in a basement with a sealed concrete floor, so no big deal. She's 20 and I'm not going to make a fuss about it. Try 2 boxes, one with litter, the other without -- or -- get a boot mat instead of the empty box, you know, one of those plastic ones with the lip all the way around it? Katey liked using one of those for awhile.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 20, 2009, 12:23:25 AM
Thanks for the good suggestions, bug.  Lucky you, a basement!  :)

Do you think emptying one of the two litter boxes I have (I keep them side by side) will confuse the other 3? 

And I was looking online to find what a boot mat is - is that like a rubber car foot mat?  Maybe something like a front door rubber mat?  That's a good idea...I wonder where to go to find one here (in Japan)...


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on May 20, 2009, 03:23:45 AM
It was a good thing over here that we empties Katey's box because no one else wanted to use that one. She was always intimidated by the others. See what happens with yours. They'll probably just ignore it.

Here's what a boot mat looks like (they call it a boot tray):

http://www.amazon.com/Boot-Tray-soiled-footwear-Black/dp/B000FNTKZ8


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 20, 2009, 03:34:53 AM
Oh cool!  I see, that's a boot mat/tray!  Now I understand what you meant by the rim along the edges.  That looks great!

Everybody has been going up to the pet sheet on the floor and trying to scratch at it.   :)


In the meantime, I've put all the litter into one of the boxes and left the one that Chami prefers completely litter-free.  I think I can go look for that boot tray in the next couple days.

Thank you!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on May 20, 2009, 03:42:15 AM
They make holders for puppy pads that would keep the cats from bunching it up. Its a flat square frame with a plastic gripper on each corner. I have boot trays & they would probably work.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 20, 2009, 04:17:29 AM
Thanks for telling me about those special trays for the pet sheets, LeslieK.

I'm guessing that Chami isn't going to like the pet sheet, and that something like a boot tray will be better.

She's the type where if I put a nice cozy pillow or blankie in her uncomfortable-looking nap spot, she makes a face and sleeps elsewhere LOL.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 20, 2009, 11:03:21 AM
LOL.  Okay, Chami just went and checked out the place she has been pooping on the carpet where there is now a pet sheet.  She sniffed it and looked at it, thought about it a sec, and then went to the litter box where she usually pees. 

She looked inside and found that there was no litter in it.  She got inside.....and then balanced 3 legs on the rim of the empty litter box.  And peed.  And because the box was empty of litter, the pee went onto the one foot that was inside the box.  LMAO.  She looked up at me like WTF? and hopped out shaking her wet leg.


By good luck, my delivery of a much smaller pellet style of paper litter arrived today, so I put that in the litter box Chami usually uses.

I'm going to take a look for a boot tray!

Chami hasn't pooped yet today.....I can't wait to see where she'll do it LMAO.


ETA : So I guess this isn't an issue of style of litter, but rather just her habit/style?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on May 20, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
I've given up trying to figure out what goes on in their little heads when it comes to bathroom habits. Pip races to go for a pee after she's done eating kibble -- every time. Not so with wet food. She also doesn't cover her poops, instead she scratches at the edges, the ceiling, the walls of the litterbox, but not the litter itself. They like one box for pee the other for poo. Mia pees at the front of the box and poops at the back -- I give up.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 20, 2009, 03:39:35 PM
LOL.  No covering poops here, either.  Everybody always scratches box edges, walls, nearby table, side of the sofa, carpet...

I'd heard about doing #1 in one box and #2 in another.  But it doesn't happen at our place.

Chami has yet to poop.  Probably because she made such a great one yesterday on the carpet LOL.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on May 20, 2009, 04:45:14 PM
Chami is so awesome LMAO.

She finally had to poop, so she went over to the litter box area. 


She looked at the boxes. 

She pulled her ears back.

She went to the spot she's been pooping on the carpet, a few inches away from the litter box, and stood on the pet sheet.  I was surprised she stood on the sheet.  I was doing stuff a few feet away and trying to act like I wasn't watching LOL.

She stood there a few moments on the sheet like she was going to go.  But didn't.

She got off the sheet and went back to look inside both litter boxes.

She pulled her ears back.

Then, she squeezed herself into the 3~4 inch area in between one of the litter boxes and where the pet sheet is and pooped on the small space of exposed rug LOL!!

She ain't no dummy!   ::)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on May 20, 2009, 04:52:06 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

CATS!!!

No matter what, they always outsmart us!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on May 20, 2009, 05:00:13 PM
We need pictures, August.   ;D :P

Some of mine cover poo...some don't.  The ones that don't cover their poo seem to be the same ones who will "bury" a partially eaten dish of food with anything they find on the floor...fur, paper, etc.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catwoods on May 20, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Ha ha ha, can't stop laughing...


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on October 20, 2009, 04:44:57 AM
It's been a while since I've had to post here.   :-*


So Yoyo is having diarrhea, I'm not positive, but it may be due to a new kibble I introduced about a month ago.  He usually has very good poops.  I hate to see the poor guy having diarrhea.

Can someone refresh my memory - is it plain yogurt that is good to help firm things up?  He's had some trouble now for about a week (I've stopped feeding the particular kibble I think might be giving him trouble).

Or should I let it run its course a bit more (for lack of better wording  :P  )



ETA : I thought I'd mention that Yoyo is in completely good spirits as usual -- playing, asking for rubs, drinking, eating, and using the bathroom all as usual -- just with diarrhea...


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on October 20, 2009, 06:14:51 AM
August- You can use plain yogurt,or pumpkin [pure not pie mix] or just add pre or probiotics. If you have acidophilus capsules for yourself,just empty 1 into his bowl & add a little water to disolve it,then add the food & stir. If Yoyo has dairy intolerance don't use the yogurt or it will make the diarrhea worse.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on October 20, 2009, 05:57:04 PM
Thanks, LeslieK.

Just to confirm - I thought pumpkin was for constipation?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on October 20, 2009, 06:07:06 PM
August,
     Pumpkin can be used for both constipation and diarrhea.  It is the fiber in it that either firms up loose stools or bulks up and softens hard stools. 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on October 21, 2009, 02:00:05 PM
I see!  Thank you!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on October 21, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
August- pumpkin has both soluble & insoluble fiber so it pretty much keeps the digestive tract working well both ways. I give mine [all 5] a little with every meal now that they are mostly eating grain free food. It helps prevent any upsets from food protein source changes,or problems going from cooked to raw to dry.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on January 12, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
Ahhh, here I am back in the Poop thread.   :D


I finally was present when Sunday pooped.  This girl digs like you wouldn't believe!  She pretty much does her thing and then STIRS the entire litter box so that anything that had been clumping together ain't clumpin no mo!

Back to poop.

Sunday went in and delivered a good-sized poop.  As soon as I could get it out, I took it and went through it.  The size was good, but it was very dry inside.  (When Sunday got back home on the 11th she gobbled up a lot of Solid Gold Tuna and drank a ton of water.)  I did not see any bugs or worms or anything to alarm me - it almost looked like dehydrated brownie mix (sorry fellow chocolate-lovers lol).  The smell was average.  The color was dark.

About 20 minutes later, Sunday went back into the litter box and had some diarrhea.  This was also dark.

She seems to be eating and drinking normally.  She is playing and sleeping and acting like a very happy girl.


This diarrhea should be rather expected, would you think?  I'll be trying to check for her output as much as I can but if Mom gets to it first there's no telling...


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on January 12, 2010, 07:16:34 PM
Sometimes if a cat has a large BM, followed by another BM shortly thereafter, the second BM could be very soft since it has not had much time to sit in the colon and have water absorbed from it.  Since she ate so much food after maybe not eating so much for a couple days, the food she ate may be making its way through the system faster.  See what happens over the next couple days.  The next BM could be perfectly normal.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on January 12, 2010, 07:40:36 PM
I agree with Mandycat.  Unless Sunday seems uncomfortable in some way, or unless the diarrhea is persistent, it is probably a reaction to food changes (who knows what or if she ate during those four days?) and is not anything to be concerned about.

LOL her digging habits.  I have a couple "excavators" like that too.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on January 12, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Okay, thanks for the reassurance.  I'll try to keep an eye on her output.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Sandi K on January 16, 2010, 10:45:20 PM
August, how are Sunday's poo's now, better?  If for some reason, its still happening, its real easy to get a sample and take it to your vet and have them run a fecal test on it to make sure she didnt pick up some sort of parasite on her recent adventure outside....  


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on January 16, 2010, 11:33:53 PM
Thanks, Sandi,

Unfortunately I haven't been present when she's doing Number 2 since I saw it that one time.  I asked Mom to make a memo when Sunday goes, but, well,... I guess Mom is more concerned with keeping the litter box clean over making a memo.   :-\

But I've been seeing Sunday urinate well.  And she eats well and stops when she is full rather than gobbling everything down at once.  And she plays like a monster!   ;D

She acts and appears to be very healthy.  And her tummy does not seem to be growing, but I guess it's only been a week.   :P

One thing I've noticed - two times I saw her drink water where she drank for what seemed like a long time.  For now I'm going to assume that's just her habit - maybe water was less available for her out on the street and she thinks she needs to get in a lot when she can.   ???


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on January 17, 2010, 07:31:10 AM
A lot of ferals do that, my Punkin does. So does a friends cat Marie. Just watch to see if she is doing it frequently as that could be a sign of a problem.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Sandi K on January 17, 2010, 11:42:02 AM
LOL August, your mom just hasnt developed that obsessive habit of poop-checking yet...give her time, she's still learning.  Before you know it she will be behaving like the rest of us do!    ;)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JJ on January 17, 2010, 10:26:40 PM
August doesn't sound like your mom wants to study it - quite the opposite. Clean it up and get rid of it  :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on January 18, 2010, 05:11:31 AM
 :D   Tee hee, Moms.


Well, folks, tonight I saw Sunday poop again!  Wooo!   ;D   And it was gorgeous!  Gorgeous! 

Aside from the fact that she stirred the litter box so much after she did her thing that the poop broke up into many pieces, she had no trouble pooping and there was no diarrhea and the pieces looked really great.  Yay!  She trilled leaving the litter box and looked so proud as I hoorayed to her.   :-*


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on January 18, 2010, 06:57:55 AM
For all the fuss we make about poo, I figure at least one of us should take a snapshot of one of these masterpieces.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on January 18, 2010, 07:07:55 AM
Only on Itchmo would this be celebrated ! ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Sandi K on January 18, 2010, 08:07:48 AM
Good girl Sunday!  You win the good-poop award for the day!  :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JJ on January 18, 2010, 10:54:02 PM
Who will be posting their first 'wonderous poop' pic - come on now, don't be shy.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on January 18, 2010, 11:44:26 PM
Don't tempt me.   ;D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on March 23, 2010, 07:10:49 PM
How To Use The Litter Box - by Chami of the 4 Larges

1)  If you choose the carpet, that's fine.  Meowm will pick it up later.
2)  If not, stick one paw at most into the icky litter so that you can get to a good spot on the edges.  <see photo for details>
3)  Run.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catwoods on March 23, 2010, 08:44:52 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Very fancy footwork there!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on March 23, 2010, 09:10:21 PM
 :D   :D  Must be pretty sturdy litter boxes!  What keeps them from tilting toward each other and spilling the litter? 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: mainecoonpeg on March 23, 2010, 09:16:33 PM
Mandycat, August has bricks under the litter in the boxes.
Poor Chami of the 4 Larges, does not want to stub her toesies when she tries to dig a spot........... ;D

Chami that is the most awesome show of kitty lightfootedness ever.............. 8)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on March 23, 2010, 09:24:31 PM
LOL, bricks! 

Actually, there's nothing but the regular litter boxes and paper litter there....you know, I don't know why they don't tip over.  They've never tipped or budged at all... and these guys range from 4-6 kilos each! 


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: NedF on March 23, 2010, 10:12:25 PM
That is a very talented cat!


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on March 24, 2010, 04:57:59 AM
That is a very determined cat!  :D  (And she's so pretty, too--maybe she just doesn't want to risk dirtying that gorgeous fur.)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on March 24, 2010, 09:38:44 AM
Seriously? Chami could start using the toilet. By the looks of it, she'd be happy about it.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: kittylyda on March 24, 2010, 12:38:26 PM
Tig perches on the side of the box just like that when she poops!  ;D  It's good to know she's not alone.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JJ on March 24, 2010, 02:31:15 PM
Chami looks like she does not want to even step into the litter. Great balancing act btw.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: JustMe on March 06, 2011, 04:59:35 AM
Tess (dog) seems to be having some difficulty pooping the last week or so.  Has anyone had luck with giving canned pumpkin for a dog?  How much would I give?  She's about 90 pounds and eats mostly grain-free dry food. Is that the problem?  I've been adding canned in to see if that helps.  Any other suggestions in addition to adding pumpkin?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on March 06, 2011, 07:30:52 AM
Trooper is 75 lbs & he gets about a Tablespoon twice a day in his meals. He eats about 2/3 wet homecooked or canned with about 1/3 dry on top. Acidophilus or pre & pro biotics will help also. It may just be that Tess needs more moisture in her diet or more fiber. I open the acidophilus & mix it in his bowl with the pumpkin & about 3 Tablespoons of room temp water ,stir then add the food.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on March 06, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
JustMe,
Grain-free food, wet or dry, seems to produce less stool volume, and could easily cause constipation if there is not enough moisture.  I think the pumpkin should help to produce some bulk, but if you could add some wet food to the diet that has some grain, I think that might also help.  Also, make sure she is drinking enough water.  Maybe adding some chicken broth or some other flavoring to the water for a few days might encourage drinking if she is not drinking enough.  Grains are not as much of a problem for dogs to have as cats, I believe.  


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: petslave on March 06, 2011, 08:44:17 PM
I add a small handful of oatmeal to my dogs' dry food each night.  That may help Tess overcome her constipation.  I use the old fashioned/steel cut oats rather than quick cook oats.  I think it adds some bulk, and it's a way to get a little more water in them for their dry meal.  I don't bother to cook it, if you add some water it softens up some but keeps some of the coarse bulk to it.  (great way to stretch that high protein/calorie food too)

I'm sure you already know this, but if you up her water intake, do it between meals so you don't increase the chance of her bloating from dry food swelling in her stomach.  Sheps seem to be really prone to bloat. 

I have mixed results with pumpkin.  I think I could feed an entire can of it to my one of my big dogs with no effect, probably because they get such a hodgepodge of home made food.  If I feed more than a spoon to Dutch, he gets diarrhea.  Since Tess gets dry for the most part, it might help her.  I'd try quarter to half can (15 oz) to start.  I'm wondering if feeding that between meals with a little extra water might help her more than mixing it in with her dinner.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on December 05, 2011, 01:58:36 AM
So I've got three orange brothers as you know - Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Wednesday is my biggest wet eater.  He is the most robust of the three.  And his poops are by far the smallest.

Tuesday and Friday make some great poops.  Wednesday's poops are always on the small side, and I feel very unsatisfied after he's done.  When Tuesday and Friday poop, I feel like "ahhhhhh."   :)

Wednesday is regular and doesn't seem to be having trouble pooping or anything, but it's got me wondering if he might feel cramped up in any way?  Could he be having incomplete disposal and feel frustrated?  And could that be a part of why he's rounder than the others and also feels the need to be sometimes bossy?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on December 05, 2011, 05:22:54 AM
Does he go more often than the others ? If not, maybe he needs a little fiber added. You could try giving him a small spoonful of wet pumpkin in between meals to help or add a little to his food if you can feed him separately from the others.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on December 05, 2011, 06:01:35 AM
Good thinking, August!  I certainly think that adding some fiber to Wednesday's diet is worth a try.  Do his stools look drier than those of his littermates?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on December 05, 2011, 01:55:37 PM
Wednesday's poops tend to come out as small balls where Tues' and Fri's come out as columns.

I could easily slip some canned pumpkin into Wednesday's wet.  Would a teaspoon a day be a good amount?  Will that mean that I give that to him daily?

(I have one can of plain pumpkin - I can open and freeze it?)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: catbird on December 05, 2011, 03:12:11 PM
Sounds like Wednesday may need a little help from fiber, yes.

The vet talked with me about pumpkin today, as a matter of fact.  She said start with a half teaspoon and work up to a teaspoon daily, more if it seems like more is needed.  Yes, people do freeze the pumpkin to be able to use the whole can.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on December 05, 2011, 03:38:50 PM
Thanks!

I just gave Wednesday his Weruva Nine Liver with pumpkin.  I'll see how it goes!

As for his going more often than the others ... I don't think he goes (or tries to go) more frequently.


Anybody have freezing tips?  I've frozen a can before - making a kjillion saran wrap bon-bons, but is there an easier way?


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: lesliek on December 05, 2011, 03:40:33 PM
My 2 cats get about 1/4-1/2 tsp twice daily. I add it to the bowl with probiotics & water or broth. Stir then add the wet food & spoon the pumpkin mix over it. If Wednesday's poo is little balls, he definitely needs some fiber & liquid added. He is probably always a little constipated which could make him grumpy. Someone on here suggested spooning into an ice cube tray & then popping into a freezer bag. I have so many on it, I use it quickly enough from the fridge though.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: merrihart on December 05, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
I've done the ice cube tray, it's handy.  a cube can last a few days.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on December 06, 2011, 07:55:37 AM
I have also found that with my cats eating the homecooked food more than commercial or dry, their poops are shrinking. I have read that this is the natural state of poop for cats eating a prey diet because they are absorbing most of the food rather than turning into waste. Makes sense, but I know I like seeing their poops like columns rather than balls. I always use pumpkin in the homemade recipe but I also feed them Holistic Select which has oats and other veggies and I find that helps. They get some dry as a periodically throughout the day and sometimes it's grain-based, sometimes not. I know you use grain-free dry, so there's nothing there that will help bulk up their poops. I freeze pumpkin in ice cube trays, then pop them out and store them in a freezer bag.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: August on December 07, 2011, 03:09:20 AM
Thanks for the info and sorry for my incomplete answering!   :P

I've been giving Wednesday pumpkin (today is day 2).  The ice cube tray is a great idea!

Wish I had an ice cube tray lol.

So I put the entire can of pumpkin into a big freezer Ziplock and pressed it all down until it became a thin sheet, then I lightly ran a chopstick over it to make like a grid.  Froze it and then broke the grid so I'm all set!

I hope the pumpkin will make him more cylindrical.   :)

We tried Holistic Select but it didn't go over very well.  Maybe I'll try it again.  Our Azmira also has rice in it but hopefully the pumpkin will have a good effect on him.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Fizzy1 on December 07, 2011, 10:23:30 AM
So I put the entire can of pumpkin into a big freezer Ziplock and pressed it all down until it became a thin sheet, then I lightly ran a chopstick over it to make like a grid.  Froze it and then broke the grid so I'm all set

Great thinking August :)


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: bug on December 07, 2011, 01:56:34 PM
Yep, necessity is the mother of invention. Who needs ice cube trays anyway.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Meowli on May 03, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Not sure where to post this, but .... I heard from our friend Peg (Mainecoonpeg) tonight and she wrote that she had tried a cat fountain that she cleaned frequently. Her cats developed loose stools. She found gunk in the pump and had it tested. Yeast and a common mold. Stopped using the fountain and the cats' stools went back to normal.

May be one piece of the puzzle to cats here with tummy issues, i.e., loose stools.

Just passing this along, and putting it out there.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Spartycats on May 04, 2012, 04:02:14 AM
A good reminder to always take the pumps apart and clean them thoroughly, too (I did not know to do this, with my first fountain years ago).  I use vinegar & water solution, all manner of little brushes, and q-tips-- The impeller should also come right out to clean (I use tweezers, because they are usually magnetic and hard to get hold of).


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: merrihart on July 06, 2012, 05:04:11 PM
Why does it take so much energy to clean a litter box?  two boxes emptied, scrubbed, disinfected, dried and refilled.  Litter areas vacuumed and carpets deodorized all equals one sweaty human.  *collapses*


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: NedF on July 09, 2012, 05:44:50 PM
That's why I started using liners!  :D


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on July 09, 2012, 11:18:38 PM
Liners that are made for litterboxes can get expensive.  However, I solved that problem by buying the 13 gal. white kitchen trash bags, cut them up one side, and fitted them in the litterbox.  If you don't have a box with a top that snaps on, just tuck what hangs over the side under the box to help prevent an over-enthusiatic digger from pulling the liner into the box.  If you have the enclosed type of box, it works wonderfully.  Just pick up the whole thing, tie off, and dispose.  Don't have to wash and disinfect the whole box so often.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: NedF on July 16, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
I do that too Mandycat! I make my liners out of contractor bags which are thick enough to withstand the kitties clawing when they dig in the litter. I think it works out to about 25 cents a liner.


Title: Re: The Scoop On Poop/Talkin' Stool
Post by: Mandycat on July 16, 2012, 11:22:31 PM
You know what they say about "great minds", Ned!   ;)   :D  My kitchen bags worked out to about 6 cents each when I last used them.  I bought the big 200 bag size that costs about $12.00 from Target - the plain kind with no pull-tie strings.  I didn't need the stronger kind since I used newspaper (a pad of it on the bottom of the box with shredded paper on top of that).  I changed it every day, but I had already paid for my newspapers, so the bags were my only cost.  Using the newspaper was suggested to me by my vet back in 1967 when I got my first kitten after I got married.  He said not to use the clay litter because the dust could cause respiratory problems.  There were not many choices for litter back then.  It worked so well that I just continued using it for 44 years!  None of my cats had any problem at all adjusting to this form of litter.  I started using the bags for liners much later on because it was an extra chore to wash out the boxes themselves.  At first I bought liners, then I realized there was a less expensive way to accomplish what I wanted to do!   ;D