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Title: Nutro
Post by: javakittygirl on August 29, 2007, 05:34:06 AM
Did you all know that Nutro will no longer honor returns of the recalled returned food?  So if you still have some of their recalled stuff in the pantry, and are waiting to take it back to a retailer but just have not had the time -- forget it.  I am getting pretty dissatisfied with the way they run their company.  I have a small "mom and pop" dog and cat supply company and carry good quality food and products.  Nutro is the lowest end food that I put in my store, and may discontinue it because of their lack of concern for their customers. 


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Debi on August 29, 2007, 08:16:25 AM
javakittygirl, off with ther'e heads, say the public in general,  hopefully.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: onlooker on August 30, 2007, 07:39:02 AM
I wouldn't blame you at all.    Don't care for their "pushy" sales reps at Pet Supermarket.   They try to grab people & tell them Nutro is the best food.    Yes, that is a bunch of you know what.   A good food shouldn't have to resort to that in order to sell their products, in my opinion.     


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on August 31, 2007, 10:01:00 AM
Whenever I see the word "Nutro" I begin to feel like spitting.  I paid high prices to feed their swill to my cats for over a year, thinking I was getting something good for them, when all I got was endless ongoing worry about their health since March.  I believe, but can't prove, that toxins in this food caused one of my cats to develop a cardiac arrhythmia that came on during the year I was feeding this.  I could have done just as well feeding them sewage sludge.  Nutro was totally unresponsive to my concerns.  All I got was a couple of mass generic emailings.

Every time I see a display of Nutro in a store, I want to slap a skull-and-crossbones label on it.  I applaud any pet food store that takes this junk out of circulation forever!


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Meowli on August 31, 2007, 10:29:08 AM
Catbird-
They SHOULD have skull and crossbones! This was the recalled crap that I believe killed 2 of my kitties. One had kidney the other liver failure. I can't get Menu to even send out a claim form due to this court order thing (?) and I am pretty sure from all the Nutro posts here that pursuing them is a waste. My other 3 drank water like crazy for awhile in the last few months but the one that did this the worse was tested and kidney function was ok.
We can still "vote with our wallets" no matter what they claim about their "natural" foods.  PS seems to me that some already-expensive REAL-quality brands went up in price a bit since the pet food fiasco started. I had palpitations at the pet store cash register this morning! I only hope it's because they need it to gear up the production and expand facilities with all the increased demand.
Meowli
  


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on August 31, 2007, 12:24:29 PM
Meowli, I am so sorry about your cats.  I believe mine had a very close call; all 4 are mostly OK so far, but who knows what will happen long-term?  especially with the heart issue that so far has cost me a $500 cardiology work-up and will cost me the same every year for the next several years, plus all the blood tests I have paid for and will have to continue with on all 4.  I will never see a penny from Nutro, despite the fact that they were eating the Max Cat cans that were recalled.  (I believe the dry is poisoned, too, even though it hasn't been recalled.)  But I am grateful that at least my the cats are still with me; it hurts that so many are gone as a result of lies and greed.

I am normally a quiet, reserved person.  But a couple of weeks ago I actually sort of "hijacked" a woman in the aisle at PetSmart (I was there to buy Nature's Miracle, notfood) when I saw that she was looking at a display of Nutro.  I told her how bad I thought it was, and why.  She left the store without buying anything and said she was going to do some reading on the Internet.

That is how mad Nutro makes me.  To Nutro reps, because I am sure you are reading this, all this is only my opinion and experience, of course. >:(


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Meowli on August 31, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
We were using the dry too as well as the poisoned wet Nutro. One cat especially likes his "cookies", but his tests came out ok, although he drank A LOT of water. When we originally switched to premium - including (mostly) Nutro a few years ago, I noticed the cats' fur was getting better, etc. Then sometime during the year before the poison was added, I noticed some dandruff on them, and their coats looked a bit less shiny. But I figured it was just shedding or dryness in the air, as I thought they were getting enough nourishment in the food. So I even started using an essential fatty acid supplement. Come to think of it that didn't even help much.
So I think the food's quality may have diminished in stages, not overnight with that last switch to the "disaster" supplier of gluten. BOTH canned and dry.
I get a variety of other canned brands now and my fussy little "cookie monster" gets Wysong Vitality. For now.
Catbird, I hope your kitties remain ok and the one with the heart issue improves! I am so glad you were able to stop someone from buying the bad stuff.
Meowli


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Rob on August 31, 2007, 02:55:10 PM
dandriff and no longer grooming like they used to can also be a sign of other health issues, like diabeties.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Meowli on August 31, 2007, 06:10:37 PM
Hi rjvamp, one of the deceased kits had been diabetic before( yes, he had dandruff with that too) ,but until the Nutro starting going downhill, it and the other premium brands (and losing a few pounds) helped reverse both conditions. Everything was fine, until someone started changing formulas and suppliers and cutting costs- and cutting quality.
Meowli


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kaffe on September 01, 2007, 09:29:43 PM
The hair at the nape of my neck always always rises at the mention of "Nutro."  Why?  Well, last December, I went to Petsmart to see if I could find a new wet food for my cats.  This Nutro saleswoman grabbed hold of me and yah-di-dah 'Nutro is the best food you can give to your cat... I use Nutro and my cats adore it... they are all so healthy... yah-di-dah.'  To please her, I began to pick out a few cans and pouches and even a bag of dry food.  After she saw me do that, she left me.  Cruising over to the other side of the aisle, I had a funny feeling... it persisted even when I was over at the toy section.  So,  dumped all the Nutro stuff and bought Solid Gold.  IF I had listened to that sales woman and disregarded my "funny feeling" my boys would either be very very sick now or dead.  I HATE Nutro.  Everytime I see that product, I shudder.  There's  my 5 cents worth.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on September 03, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
Meowli,
I had exactly the same experience with the Nutro foods starting OK then turning into garbage. 

I originally began feeding it in Dec 2005 after I was given a bag of the dry by the rescue organization when I adopted Cameo.  My cats seemed to like it, so I started using the canned and dry as part of my food rotation.  (I typically feed several different brands in rotation and have always done so to try to keep the cats from getting fixated on one thing.  Turns out it may have saved their lives.)  At first I noticed improvement in the coats of my other cats too.  Suddenly in about Feb or Mar 2006 Cameo (she's very savvy; a Katrina rescue) began refusing the canned Nutro.  I thought it was just because she was no longer starving and could afford to become more "picky".  I now believe this is when the contaminants first showed up, and that she knew it.

In the fall of 2006 I noticed that my cats's coats were getting drier again, but I attributed it to the weather, not the food.

In March the recalls began to be announced and I stopped feeding all Nutro products.  I switched to some other foods and my cat's coats got better again within a couple of weeks.  (I live in a cold climate so the air was still heated and dry; that wasn't the variable.)

I believe that Nutro started out OK and went bad.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: ancona on September 03, 2007, 12:27:17 PM
Probably, they are now owned by Masterfoods,

I no longer feed Nutro, stopped a while back, my dogs were always hungry.

I will admit, my 6 dogs do well on chicken soup senior

Sandi


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Meowli on September 03, 2007, 02:33:40 PM
There are cheap-quality foods that have always contained iffy ingredients, but at cheap prices. What gets me about Nutro (besides my two that passed away), is that the company insisted all along that the quality of the food was good, and "natural". And they have the nerve to price the stuff accordingly! Protein from grains is not "natural" for a carnivore, anyhow, even if it's not tainted. I wish I had been less trusting.

 


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Rob on September 18, 2007, 08:14:22 PM
Hi rjvamp, one of the deceased kits had been diabetic before( yes, he had dandruff with that too) ,but until the Nutro starting going downhill, it and the other premium brands (and losing a few pounds) helped reverse both conditions. Everything was fine, until someone started changing formulas and suppliers and cutting costs- and cutting quality.
Meowli
I'm so glad I switched foods when I did last year....I got a notice from Petsmart that I had purchased food that was made by the manufacturers that were recalled.....it wasn't particular lot numbers that I can remember....but I knew I had thrown away some of the food because my dogs did not want to eat it anymore.....including the wet....now you know something is wrong when a dog will not eat wet food!


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Zen on September 19, 2007, 01:34:17 PM
I really hate this company with a passion. Years ago, I thought they were the best of the best in early 2000, and I fed this to my Pomeranian. He in turn would throw this food up almost daily. I was dumb enough to think that it was a health problem with my dog, and not the food itself. This went on shamefully for like 4-years, until I switched to another brand. I think he's very lucky to be healthy today, and I think this gave him IBS. Which is managable, compared to some other health problem that he could have got.  :(


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kittylyda on October 08, 2007, 03:10:00 PM
I just stared reading this thread and I think it is really lousy that Nutro will not even allow refunds on the recalled food anymore.  I really hate this company.  Both my cats ate some of the recalled Natural Choice packets as well as the canned Max Gourmet.  Both cats had vomiting, loss of appetite and elevated kidney levels.  They are OK for now, but one of them still gets fluids at home twice week.  I got nothing but the runaround from this company during the recalls and I think it is appalling how they handled the whole situation.  I still have to stick a needle in my cat twice a week and they can't even refund money for their poisoned food?  That is insane.  I still have some packets and pouches, I sent all the paper work in to Menufoods before the whole litigation thing but I don't expect to see any money for my now $800 and counting vet bills.  I was told by Menufoods & Nutro to hang on to any unopened food.  I don't care about the money for the food, just think it's horrible that they have absolutely no concern for their customers and for the animals that consume their products.  What really gets me is I was feeding Nutro in rotation with a higher quality natural food and I knew Nutro was not as good, but I figured it was still OK because there were no by-products, etc.  The other product I was feeding had a distribution problem and I couldn't always find it.  I was feeding Nutro because my picky eater likes chunks of food and I knew it would always be available if I couldn't get the other brand.  I really learned my lesson.  I do extensive research on every single thing I feed my cats now.  I have not set foot in a Petsmart or Petco for months and I will never buy a Nutro product again. This of course is all just my opinion, but I really dislike this company.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: 3FabulousFelines on October 08, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
I was thoroughly disgusted with Nutro's behavior throughout the recall ordeal, and, as a result, I  shan't be purchasing any more of their products.

I had to make a pet superstore run a couple of weeks ago to stock up on salmon oil and rabbit stuff for the fearsome foursome, and the (once uncomfortably overzealous) Nutro rep confided in me that she herself refuses to use Nutro products anymore. She was making absolutely no effort to pass out the coupons or samples, and didn't make any attempts to accost shoppers and suggest that they try Nutro.

She asked me what I was feeding my cats (one of them was with me, en route back home from the vet's). I steeled myself against the impending salespitch.. but it turned out she was just impressed with T's coat and wanted to know so she could give the food a try.

I never thought I'd see the day!


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Rob on October 08, 2007, 08:33:46 PM
I have avoided the Nutro people.....but have decided if they ask I am going to tell them the truth - I don't feed Nutro anymore because of x, y, z..... Maybe other patrons will overhear and decide to try something different.....



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: 3FabulousFelines on October 08, 2007, 08:52:33 PM
Yeah.. I definitely mentioned that I was displeased with Nutro's response to the recall, and that I was avoiding recall-affiliated brands for the time being, as one of my cats had been poisoned by a tainted product (not Nutro). I was polite about it- I mean, it's not like it was her fault, and I figure her job must've been sheer hell in the months after the recall, between fielding angry customers and wondering whether or not all those puppies and kittens whose owners she'd talked into going Nutro were safe. I did, however, want them to be aware of my feelings. It's unlikely that one person is going to make much of a statement, but I figure I'm probably far from the only one expressing said sentiments.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kittylyda on October 09, 2007, 12:10:14 PM
Those Nutro reps are not just annoying, they are misinformed and dangerous as well.  I was accosted by one in Petsmart (this was several months before the recalls) and he proceeded to tell me that I should only feed my cats a high quality dry food like Nutro and wet food only as a treat.  He insisted that a diet of completely dry food would be healthier and force the cats to drink more water.  I know there is a lot of debate about a wet vs dry diet, but I explained to him that my cats were older and required a mostly wet food diet because they had problems with constipation and FUS.  I also explained that I had done a bunch of research on the issue and besides all that my veterinarian was also in favor of a wet food diet for my cats.  This guy just wouldn't back down, even when it was clear that I knew a whole lot more about the issue than he did.  These people are not vets or nutritionists and this is the kind of information they were giving to customers.  I guess that should have tipped me off months before the recalls that this company was a bit shady.  I can only assume that this is what Nutro instructed this person to say.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: IheartRufus on October 09, 2007, 11:01:52 PM
When Rufus was a kitten (about 2 1/2 years ago and I didn't know any better), I fed him Nutro canned and dry food.  He used to throw up all the time, but I never guessed to attribute it to the food.  At some point he got to the point where he wouldn't eat it at all so I never fed it to him again.  Now I think back on all that upchucking and feel like a giant a-hole for not figuring it out.  I haven't been into a Petco or Petsmart since the recalls began, but I'm sure if I saw a Nutro rep on the street they would probably get an earful.  (not necessarily their fault that the company is so horrible, but there's plenty of sales rep jobs out there so I don't see how anyone could with good conscience continue to work for that company...)


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: onlooker on October 10, 2007, 08:49:31 AM
What really bothers me about a certain Nutro Rep. is that even when I had  a bag of another brand, I happened to have Wellness Core myself that day, is that he still tried to tell me that Nutro was the best food.   He sits right in the middle of the store & pushes the Nutro bags at people when they go to walk by him.    I must admit I was not nice to him this time around as I am tired of his sales pitch.   I told him to compare the ingredients & I pointed out those in Nutro that I do not care for.   I don't think that he will bother me again.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kittylyda on October 11, 2007, 12:49:22 PM
Did you guys see the post: Nutro and GM Grains from Menusux under Recall Related?  Maybe the next time one of us runs into a Nutro rep we can ask them why they are using unauthorized genetically modified grains in their food!!!!!  Check out that post--it is truly alarming.



 


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on October 15, 2007, 08:56:58 AM
*evil chuckle*

This weekend I noticed that Nutro canned foods were on super-special at a locally-owned "animal food warehouse" where I sometimes shop--3 cans for a dollar!  This is about a third of the past price.  I think they can't sell the garbage, so are trying to get rid of it by selling it really cheap.  I would not be surprised if it disappears from the market soon.  I hope no one buys it, even at that price.

heh-heh-heh.  bye-bye, Nutro poison.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Meowli on October 15, 2007, 11:51:32 AM
It was via Nutro that Menu Foods murdered two of my cats. I have one tiny recalled can and nearly a case of 6 oz non-recalled flavors left. All went out of my kitchen cupboard and put away in a box under the bed the day they announced the first recall. The store (Petco) was willing to take them back but I do not want even the slightest chance of a resale by some uninformed sales person. Even for the non-recalled items - I don't trust anything with the name Nutro anymore. (I had some dry Senior food too but very little, not enough to have tested, or to stash away with the cans).
I am heartened that the brand seems to be selling poorly if at all, and maybe - just maybe-other pf makers will smarten up and learn from all this.
Meowli and the boys


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Rob on October 15, 2007, 01:21:30 PM
*evil chuckle*

This weekend I noticed that Nutro canned foods were on super-special at a locally-owned "animal food warehouse" where I sometimes shop--3 cans for a dollar!  This is about a third of the past price.  I think they can't sell the garbage, so are trying to get rid of it by selling it really cheap.  I would not be surprised if it disappears from the market soon.  I hope no one buys it, even at that price.

heh-heh-heh.  bye-bye, Nutro poison.

I wonder if they were selling any of the recalled lot numbers?


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on October 15, 2007, 01:40:46 PM
I did not have the list of recalled lots with me, so could not check if they were selling recalled food.  I certainly hope not because I have always considered this store reputable.    I think it was all 6-oz. cans on special, which I do not remember as being recalled (I think it was the 3oz. only because those were canned at Menu.)   The next time I go there, which will probably be in a couple of weeks, I'll try to take the list of recall numbers with me and let you know what I find.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 08, 2008, 01:13:30 PM
 Nutro saved my CRF girl for the first 18 months after diagnosis( she made it without drugs or other assistance than accupucture and diet for over 4 years .. later the kitty went to raw and canned ... My dog had been on various formulas till Nutro put in soybean oil ( yes technically oil should not react but it did ) she eats wellness core ( thou I am thinking of changing )... My youngest cat loves natural choice kitten and as cookies she gets taste of the wild .... My vet likes raw diets but also uses natural choice with one of her non raw eaters ... I wish they would stop going after the grocery shopper and low end $$$$ premiums and start bringing the food  up to the higher end s but it is decent to good for many animals.... as for the recalls THEY are still taking back stuff via one of the pet stores


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kaffe on January 08, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
Nutro saved my CRF girl for the first 18 months after diagnosis( she made it without drugs or other assistance than accupucture and diet for over 4 years .. later the kitty went to raw and canned ...

so, that was 4 years ago at least?  at the time Nutro still had good ingredients in the formulas... not true now as per reports.  Must confess I am glad you took your kitty off Nutro eventually.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 08, 2008, 04:04:47 PM
Yeah I learned the right way to deal with chronic issues .... My youngest cat will not get off the nutro kitten at nearly age four but the vet and I agree ( the vet prefers raw but nutro is a brand shell recommend to those that dont want to go the raw or cooked route)...lmao.. I would prefer no commercial food ever but there are far far worse foods out there;)


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kaffe on January 08, 2008, 09:10:06 PM
Yeah I learned the right way to deal with chronic issues .... My youngest cat will not get off the nutro kitten at nearly age four but the vet and I agree ( the vet prefers raw but nutro is a brand shell recommend to those that dont want to go the raw or cooked route)...lmao.. I would prefer no commercial food ever but there are far far worse foods out there;)

I understand... sometimes, we need to do what we need to do with some intractible pets... I struggled long and hard over my own kibble addict Cato, so I know how it could be.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kthacker on January 22, 2008, 11:18:32 AM
Does anyone know of any of the Nutro Natural Choice for dogs that have had medical issues with their animals? My little 2 yo Rattie has had problems. Nutro has been contacted and sent samples of food but no answer after almost 2 months.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Cathy on January 22, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
kthacker,  Welcome.  Yes, there have been lots of problems reported here and other places.  Use the search box above and type 'Nutro'.  Here are some others:

http://hubpages.com/hub/PET_FOOD_RECALL_NUTRO_DRY_DOG_FOOD
http://petfoodtracker.blogspot.com/2007/05/pet-owners-blame-nutro-dry-products-for.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/05/pet_food_recall53.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/pet_food_recalls69.html



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Cathy on January 22, 2008, 12:18:15 PM
Sorry, forgot to add.  My dog was on Natural Choice Lamb and Rice Dry Food


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 22, 2008, 04:32:16 PM
Does anyone know of any of the Nutro Natural Choice for dogs that have had medical issues with their animals? My little 2 yo Rattie has had problems. Nutro has been contacted and sent samples of food but no answer after almost 2 months.

Ratties as a breed HAVE ISSUES ... skin , food allergy ... older kidney and liver


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on January 22, 2008, 04:59:26 PM
sharky:  I think it's time you read some of the links that cathy provided.  As much as you defend this product, I think you are dead wrong & plenty of other people will agree.  I do believe it's time you read what other pet parents have to say about this product you seem to think is so wonderful.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 22, 2008, 05:07:22 PM
NO food is perfect and no food is right for all animals hense why we have 1000's to choose from....   I have READ most of the the articles and most cant be found to be food, most on the consumer site = senior dogs which amazingly have the HIGHEST issues do to celluar die off just like a human .. Do you know what is on most humans death certificates??..lol.. I have lots of issues and DONT blame FOOD or Medicines yet I have SCIENTIFIC proof of some of it being caused by medicines ..... Manufacturing is a BIG ISSUE in anything, YES the pet food industry NEEDS to be opened to us and have someone looking over it .. Obviously AFFCO is not neither is the USDA or the FDA with any degree of certainty ..lol .. on ave there is a BEEF recall for humans every six weeks ::)...
Being a INFORMED pet parent ... I quickly figured out the new soybean oil was causeing Gigi to itch again thus she eats a different food and moms homemade ;) .

for the rattie owner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Terrier
not the great source but even it list allergies as a health issue..



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Laurie on January 22, 2008, 05:18:32 PM
   I am sorry but I am going to have to disagree. Food has EVERYTHING to do with a person or animals health. I also do not understand how a vet or anyone else can promote a raw diet and Nutro in the same breath. ??? 


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JustMe on January 22, 2008, 05:20:16 PM
NO food is perfect and no food is right for all animals hense why we have 1000's to choose from....   I have READ most of the the articles and most cant be found to be food, most on the consumer site = senior dogs which amazingly have the HIGHEST issues do to celluar die off just like a human .. Do you know what is on most humans death certificates??..lol.. I have lots of issues and DONT blame FOOD or Medicines yet I have SCIENTIFIC proof of some of it being caused by medicines ..... Manufacturing is a BIG ISSUE in anything, YES the pet food industry NEEDS to be opened to us and have someone looking over it .. Obviously AFFCO is not neither is the USDA or the FDA with any degree of certainty ..lol .. on ave there is a BEEF recall for humans every six weeks ::)...
Being a INFORMED pet parent ... I quickly figured out the new soybean oil was causeing Gigi to itch again thus she eats a different food and moms homemade ;) .

for the rattie owner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Terrier
not the great source but even it list allergies as a health issue..



 ???  I'm not following.  Most human death certificates say natural causes, I think.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on January 22, 2008, 05:21:51 PM
Thank you, Laurie...... ;D


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JustMe on January 22, 2008, 05:24:23 PM
I was going to say, "What the [edited]", but I figured I should use more restraint.   :P


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 22, 2008, 05:24:36 PM

OVER and out.. have fun...


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Meowli on January 22, 2008, 06:07:48 PM
How can Nutro be promoted alongside a raw diet? The answer is marketing. Sorry to say, but clever marketing strategies by big corporations have fooled tens of millions into buying dangerous products for children, ruined health from junk food, and given us sickened and deceased pets from so-called pet "food". The smartest and most educated among us are swayed by advertising,vets included. My five cats ate the above mentioned brand. Two went over the Bridge from it. Buying anything nowadays is like walking in a minefield. Pet food that used to be good a long time ago changed even before the recalls. Lots of consumer stuff that used to be ok, is now questionable. Marketing keeps the Country buying.
Meowli


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 22, 2008, 06:27:54 PM
Buying anything nowadays is like walking in a minefield. Pet food that used to be good a long time ago changed even before the recalls. Lots of consumer stuff that used to be ok, is now questionable.



EXACTLY/.///

I am sorry about your babies... the young one for now is fine eating her dry kibbles from two companies and two others for treats .....


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: onlooker on January 23, 2008, 05:24:45 AM
My only comment to this thread would be, YOU are what you EAT.   BEWARE!


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kaffe on January 23, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
The foundation of good health is good nutrition... that's my mantra.   ;D


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on January 23, 2008, 10:05:05 AM
IMO sharky lacks full credibility on this issue since he/she has admitted to working "in but not for" a Petsmart.  See reply #11 on this thread:

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/petsmart-updates-estimated-fourth-quarter-2007-results-t3310.0.html;msg41537#msg41537


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 23, 2008, 10:13:15 AM
IMO sharky lacks full credibility on this issue since he/she has admitted to working "in but not for" a Petsmart.  See reply #11 on this thread:

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/petsmart-updates-estimated-fourth-quarter-2007-results-t3310.0.html;msg41537#msg41537


lol... I am a she :)... likely I know more than ave person;)


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on January 23, 2008, 11:16:05 AM
IMO sharky lacks full credibility on this issue since he/she has admitted to working "in but not for" a Petsmart.  See reply #11 on this thread:

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/petsmart-updates-estimated-fourth-quarter-2007-results-t3310.0.html;msg41537#msg41537


lol... I am a she :)... likely I know more than ave person;)

I bet you're the only one who thinks that, sharky!


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: menusux on January 23, 2008, 11:27:16 AM
FYI--what it takes to promote Nutro:

http://www.nutroproducts.com/demo.html

"Nutro Products, Inc. is looking for Pet Nutrition Specialist with friendly faces who love animals and people and would like to promote our super-premium dog and cat foods.
Part-Time
4 Hour Shifts
Primarily Weekends/Mainly Saturdays
Great Pay
 
Please complete the following information and you will be contacted by a Pet Nutrition Specialist Representative in your area."

Don't see anything there about having any nutrition background or even general PF knowledge.  So how the H33L does the above qualify one for a title of Pet Nutrition Specialist with this company?  Even the term "sanitation engineer" for garbage man makes more sense.  ;D


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: catbird on January 23, 2008, 11:30:56 AM
likely I know more than ave person;)

and of course, we are all aware of what the "knowledge" that the pet food companies claim has done for us...


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: SusanP on January 23, 2008, 11:34:14 AM
The farm and garden store near me got rid of the Nutro line entirely because the sales people would come in the store and hassle customers.  If you were trying to buy a case of whatever they would try to take it away.  The aggressive tactics and the reports of illness (still coming in) p'd the owner of the store off badly.  (Same with Science Diet.)


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Laurie on January 23, 2008, 02:56:09 PM
  It is the sales tatics practiced by a few sales people, reps, or even vets that want to seduce the consumer into their way of thinking. Mostly out of love of the all mighty dollar, not the pet. For someone who may not know any better, what they preach sounds plausable. For those of us who have become more edumacated, their pitch falls on deaf ears. I believe the vast majority of the members here on Itchmo fall into the later of the two categories.  ;)


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Cathy on January 23, 2008, 02:59:46 PM
Sharky, Unfortunately, I thought I knew more about dogs than the average person too.  I put my heart and soul into Hunter (empty nester thing).  I read so many books and articles and subscribed to a natural dog journal.  He was well-trained, well groomed and very well exercised ... it didn't make a bit of difference other than that he probably lived a lilttle longer because of it.  It wasn't genetic - I kept in touch with the breeder and the other five dogs from his litter are fine - and he wasn't old.  His problems started two months after I switched to Nutro.  The vet never mentioned changing foods and it never occurred to me that food was the problem.  After what I have read over the last ten months, there is no doubt that the food caused his death. 

Most everyone here has done extensive research to the best of our abilities to understand the cause of our animals' sicknesses.  But, I'll bet everyone here will tell you they know there is always more to learn.  I don't mean for this to sound snide, however, my 20 year old nephew works for PetSmart, but that doesn't make him smarter than the average pet owner.  He knows what he is told by the people who trained him.  Just like vets - many still don't have a clue.  So, for your pet's sake, keep your mind open to others' experiences.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 23, 2008, 05:22:02 PM
Sharky, Unfortunately, I thought I knew more about dogs than the average person too.  I put my heart and soul into Hunter (empty nester thing).  I read so many books and articles and subscribed to a natural dog journal.  He was well-trained, well groomed and very well exercised ... it didn't make a bit of difference other than that he probably lived a lilttle longer because of it.  It wasn't genetic - I kept in touch with the breeder and the other five dogs from his litter are fine - and he wasn't old.  His problems started two months after I switched to Nutro.  The vet never mentioned changing foods and it never occurred to me that food was the problem.  After what I have read over the last ten months, there is no doubt that the food caused his death. 

Most everyone here has done extensive research to the best of our abilities to understand the cause of our animals' sicknesses.  But, I'll bet everyone here will tell you they know there is always more to learn.  I don't mean for this to sound snide, however, my 20 year old nephew works for PetSmart, but that doesn't make him smarter than the average pet owner.  He knows what he is told by the people who trained him.  Just like vets - many still don't have a clue.  So, for your pet's sake, keep your mind open to others' experiences.


NO offance taken...

I studied human nutrition and animal biology in college ... now I am moms caretaker and on my 2nd "oldie" illness in an animal ... I keep several books around my main info at the moment comes from oriental medicine but the cat likes dry food and is shape particular...  I have both animal and human drug and nutrition books ... so no I review all that I am TOLD and then research .... Luckily I have a vet who has a masters in nutrition so I have a resource many dont ...


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: SusanP on January 23, 2008, 06:09:12 PM
Attention all Itchmovians!
We have a genius in our midst.
Sharky, in case you haven't noticed, know-it-alls are not appreciated.
Many of us have college, books, years of experience and good vets.
Maybe you have knowledge, but I have serious doubts about your maturity.
Think about being a grown-up.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 23, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Attention all Itchmovians!
We have a genius in our midst.
Sharky, in case you haven't noticed, know-it-alls are not appreciated.
Many of us have college, books, years of experience and good vets.
Maybe you have knowledge, but I have serious doubts about your maturity.
Think about being a grown-up.

I will never claim to be mature;) ... Genius no , I could spell if I was..lol


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 23, 2008, 11:15:47 PM
Sharky,

You don't speak of our forums vey highly over there on the cat site.

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2106861&postcount=314
Quote from: sharky;2106861
CRF is a CHRONIC issue folks and DOES NOT happen in a short time...

Right now the FDA and ICHMO( not the forum) would be sites to watch...

So far this would be the allegedly third ??able food since the end of the recalls ... so far NONE = anything  for the worry

http://www.fda.gov/ (http://www.fda.gov/)

looking at the front page nothing on ANY pet food

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2145385#post2145385


not the forum?  Ouch.  What are we, chopped liver?  (Maybe fluky liver that is OK for pet food as long as it's drenched in denaturing agents?)

I do apologize for that .. I hadn't been to the forums since right after the recalls and well a rude bunch at that pt....


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JustMe on January 24, 2008, 04:56:30 AM
Well maybe all the rude people are over at that other site now?  They better be careful or we'll be poaching all their best members.  :D

Poco might get scared if he gets overwhelmed by cats, though.

Ahhh, our favorite ailurophobic candidate.  ;)

 ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 24, 2008, 09:06:51 AM
Oh, I see that was posted before you rejoined Itchmo.  I didn't think what you posted was mean or anything.  Just wondered if you thought we were a bad source of information or support. 

Well maybe all the rude people are over at that other site now?  They better be careful or we'll be poaching all their best members.  :D

Poco might get scared if he gets overwhelmed by cats, though.

aww how cute I had a cat afraid of other kittys for nearly 19 yrs...

some of them may ... most are very sweet ..


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: petslave on January 26, 2008, 01:31:16 PM
Well, sharky, here's a little bit of vindication you can throw in all our anti-Nutro faces (not that it will change any of our minds but might make you feel better):

The Whole Dog Journal lists Nutro as one of their top dry foods of the year this year!!!  I think it's actually just the Ultra line but still......

One new criteria they added this year was to NOT list any foods of companies that refused to reveal their manufacturer, which threw out several fairly good brands like Addiciton, Timberwolf Organics, and a few others.



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 26, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
Well, sharky, here's a little bit of vindication you can throw in all our anti-Nutro faces (not that it will change any of our minds but might make you feel better):

The Whole Dog Journal lists Nutro as one of their top dry foods of the year this year!!!  I think it's actually just the Ultra line but still......

One new criteria they added this year was to NOT list any foods of companies that refused to reveal their manufacturer, which threw out several fairly good brands like Addiciton, Timberwolf Organics, and a few others.


lol.. it has been on there for a couple yrs.. I will not post my opnion of the journal;0

 OFF topic .. WHY would they NOT tell  :o :o...


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on January 26, 2008, 02:34:19 PM
petslave:

When did you get your WDJ?  I'm still waiting for mine.

I'm a little surprised that this was one of their top choices. ???

Thankfully, the only Nutro I ever fed Hannah was Ultra.  She had some issues with it so she wasn't on it for a long time. :P


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: petslave on January 26, 2008, 07:18:08 PM
JanC - I got it last week.  It looks like they are in Fla, and I'm about as far away from that as I can get, so everyone else should have gotten their copy before me!  Did you know you can read it online too if you're a subcriber?  Go to their website & see if you can figure out how to log in, I can't remember what you need for that.

That list has been criticized in past years for having some brands on there that the hard core pet food snobs consider poor picks.  At the same time the publication is known for it's great coverage on all other topics--raw & homecooked foods, alternative health therapies, training issues, etc.  Kind of strange that they choose some of the foods that they do.

They said in that issue that pet food companies giving out mfr info was unheard of until recently--ALL of them would say when asked that it was proprietary info & couldn't be revealed.  That surprised me.  I thought that line came about because of the recalls last year, but it's actually the opposite.  Now some are being open about it & revealing that info to gain/regain people's trust.


Title: Re: Nutro and Whole Dog Journal
Post by: ancona on January 27, 2008, 05:27:27 AM
Went thruy the recent issue of the above.  They are a fraud, they are giving blessings to foods that will tell where they are manufactured.  Remember Fromm, manufacturing in China, well, oddly enough all of a sudden they are back in the family business in Wisconsin.  My, what a change of fast events,

Also, Newman, Evo, Solid Gold, Blue Buffalo and a few others will not disclose where they are manufactured, oh, and ARtemis, so they are not on the approved list.

Nutro said, manufactured in CAlif,Tenn and and?????   WE know Doane bought them out .

That Whole Dog Journal is a fraud.



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: ancona on January 27, 2008, 05:28:22 AM
Nutro was bought out by Masterfoods, who purchsed Doane's, who manufactured for Walmart's and other brands.

My dogs puke bile when on Nutro, it is mostly rice


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Rob on January 27, 2008, 09:55:20 AM
I read the list as well and the only thing I really didn't like about the list is they didn't do any testing just took information from manufacturers and made a list against their requirements. I don't put much faith in it.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on January 27, 2008, 10:42:58 AM
rj:

I agree.  I looked at the list & I'm not very impressed with their picks.  It seems to me that they just took what these companies said at their word which makes me laugh.  Like they are going to be honest?  ???!  I always had faith in what the WDJ had to say but this year is the exception. :P

ancona:

I noticed that about Fromm.......thanks for the reminder.  I had some samples here & wouldn't open them because I knew there was something I had heard that I didn't like & as soon as I saw your post, I remembered.  I did hear that they make their food in China.  So, like I said above, these companies really could say anything they wanted to say which doesn't make me feel all warm & fuzzy about that list. >:(


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 27, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
I am guessing they only asked about dry food ... YES Nutro dry is made in California or Tennessee at either plant ....

 :o :o :o My mind that a company wouldnt give state or country of plant :o :o :o


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: petslave on January 27, 2008, 08:41:24 PM
I may be wrong, but I thought it was just the canned Fromm's that was made in China. 

It is kind of odd that the WDJ article before the list goes on about how we shouldn't reject all foods from a mfr that had recalls because of differences in ingredient sourcing & cleaning between different lots.  Then they refuse to post some better companies that won't reveal their mfrs. 

Did all the Nutro problems start after the buy-out by Masterfoods, or did the problems start during the recall & are still ongoing?



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: kaffe on January 27, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
Well, there is at least ONE petfood manufacturer that is complaining about WDJ's judging process.  So far, I have found Solid Gold and they have an "official" explanation why they were not included in the WDJ list.  Although it is angled as a "miscommunication" with the powers that be at WDJ, I read between the lines that it is really a complaint:

http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/news/ (http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/news/)

Can it be?  the list is "rigged"?  Ay-yay-yay

and the WDJ has so many otherwise sooooo helpful and informative articles for pet parents!


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: sharky on January 27, 2008, 11:39:56 PM
 ;) rigged ...lol.. never.... I do agree many of the articles are great and helpful


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Offy on January 28, 2008, 03:22:27 AM
Solid Gold also doesn't show testing for cyanuric acid. There was both in the recall issues. Maybe that contributed to them not making the list?


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Laurie on January 28, 2008, 04:31:28 AM
I may be wrong, but I thought it was just the canned Fromm's that was made in China


Petslave you are correct. Only the canned is made in China. Per the Pet Food List, their dry food is made at their own plant in Wisconsin. Nutro is one of the very few companies that has no info listed there as to where their products are made.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on January 28, 2008, 06:04:21 AM
Thanks for info on Fromms......however, I noticed on their label they have the synthetic vit k that we are all trying to avoid.  I guess that's why I decided not to feed the samples to my dog.  I'm sure you're right about the China connection & canned food.

I'm really disappointed in WDJ.  Always went by their list in previous years but this year I'm not even sure what their criteria is.  Sure hope it isn't based on what the companies had to say......that's pretty funny.  I honestly wasn't impressed with their list AT ALL.

I use Solid Gold Dragon Teeth cookies (for fresh breath.....imagine a dog with fresh breath......NOT) but am a bit nervous as I do believe dry & cookies come from Diamond. 

I just might send off a note to WDJ to ask WTF is with them this year.  I also read that whole write-up about not passing on a food because of where it's made but I have to say that I disagree.  I think it has a lot to do with the quality of the food......but that's my opinion & you know what they say about that....... ;D


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Cathy on January 28, 2008, 09:57:38 AM
re: Petslave:  Did all the Nutro problems start after the buy-out by Masterfoods, or did the problems start during the recall & are still ongoing?

Nutro was sold several years ago to some venture capitalists and I think that's when the problems started.  They had no interest in quality food.  They used cheaper ingredients to get a larger return,   then sold to Masterfoods in May.  Convenient and timely, huh?  Every time someone called to file a complaint, they told the caller that they hadn't had any other complaints and it must be something else that caused the pet's problem.   I found this the other day - it's dated March 2006.
http://www.rockytopboxers.com/diet.html   

Here's how I got there:  http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/printthread.php?t=78479&pp=40
There are more stories like this out there with pre-recall dates.

As for WDJ, I didn't renew my subscription, but they keep sending it.  The issue that come out after my dog died had an article about the dog food recall that I thought was totally inconsiderate.  Maybe I was being overly sensitive, but what I got from it was that if you hadn't been feeding raw, then it was your own fault your pet is sick/dead.  Now they are recommending foods based on the fact(?) that the company will tell them what they want to hear.  Silly me - I always thought they actually tested and analyzed the food they recommended.



Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: petslave on January 28, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
Hm, maybe I can just not resubscribe & it will keep getting delivered to me!  So sounds like Nutro has been having trouble for awhile, even before the recalls.  And it seems like it keeps on happening.

That WDJ list has been criticized in past years for having poor picks.  I just don't think dry food is their forte since most of their other articles are good.  But it is bad that this list is published by what is thought of as a highly rated, cutting edge publication about dog care.  I now research just about everything extensively before making decisions to buy, but a lot of people don't have the time or skills to do so.  They depend on these kinds sources for their info.  Heck, I used to just go in & ask the pet store clerk what the best food was for my pets, so I know where they are coming from.

Please note that they don't just judge the food on whether the company will reveal their mfr--my post may have mislead you if you don't have the list.  Other than that new requirement this year they look for - high quality protein, no meat or poultry by-products, no fat/protein from unidentified animal sources, whole grains/vegs (though they are OK with 1 grain by-product or veg fragment), no artificial color/flavor/preservatives.  They did get samples but don't think they ran toxin testing on them--they donated the samples to a shelter afterwards.

I just read the list for info on companies I might consider, and ignore the other entries.  Good idea to write to them though, maybe they just are not aware of the problems that are out there.


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: Chef G on February 03, 2008, 06:42:20 PM
I HATE this company.  Prior to the recall we were feeding Nutro Max Cat canned "chunky" food.  I questioned the retailer about this product and was assured it was fine.  She even called the area rep and was told not to worry the food was fine.  I contacted the company myself and was told the same thing.  About a week later the rep called and said to take the food off the shelves.  She made him call me directly...and boy did I give him a blast.  Mu boys will never have another Nutro product in their mouths ever.  For years we fed our previous cat Nutro Senior cat food....she died of kidney failure....wonder how she got that??????


Title: Re: Nutro
Post by: JanC on February 04, 2008, 05:40:42 AM
Chef G:

Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder too............NOT......

We may be pet parents but we aren't stupid........ :P