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Pet Behavior => Cat Behavior & Training => Topic started by: catbird on July 20, 2017, 06:16:54 PM

Title: Catfight
Post by: catbird on July 20, 2017, 06:16:54 PM
We had been making some progress with Glory and Cara, to the point that with supervision we could allow them to be out together for periods of 45 min. or so. Glory sometimes needed redirection away from Cara, but we were hopeful. He was still lunging at her whenever she walked by his pen, but the squirt bottle was working to decrease that.

On Tuesday morning, my husband mistakenly let them out together without adequate supervision. He didn't see exactly what happened, but Glory chased Cara down the hall. My daughter reported that she then came running when she heard the sounds of cat fighting. Glory was jumping on top of Cara and attacking.

Glory hurt Cara, scratching her cheek, eyelid, and possibly her hindquarters (we couldn't tell on the last because her coat is so thick, but the hair looked wrong in one spot.) Cara is strong, solid, fast, and tough, but Glory's long reach and large size put her very much at a disadvantage. DD said that Cara appeared to be terrified.

I wanted to give up Glory. It has been more than 2 months and he's still not able to coexist peacefully with my other 2 cats. If it had been elderly Phantom he'd attacked, he probably would have killed her. DH and DD are very bonded with Glory and refuse to give him up. He's a really great cat in many ways, but doesn't seem to be able to let the other two be without attacking. It's odd, because he was free in the store with several other cats for over a week when we got him, and the store owner said he'd had no problems. What happened? Introductions were done very carefully.

We have not let Cara see him for two days, to give her time for emotional recovery. She was very subdued and clingy for the remainder of the day of the attack, but seems fine now. The scratches appear to have gone away and she doesn't seem to have any sore spots. We'll try having him in the pen sometime tomorrow, and see how she does.

I don't know what to do with him! By my age estimate, Glory is just about a year old now. He appears to be in perfect health and does not show any signs of food allergies or the like.  We run the Feliway diffusers, and play with him a lot to try to wear him out. He's an athletic, agile, extremely intelligent, high-energy, human-focused cat. (BTW rather than being half Maine Coon as his original shelter thought, we are convinced that if he has any particular breed in him and is not just a random combination of genetics, he's probably at least half Turkish Van. He has every single characteristic of that breed, including the unique coat, and looks just like one, except that he has more red on his back and legs than the breed standard.)

Do I dare to hope that he's still being kittenish and will outgrow this, since large breeds mature slowly? I just don't know what to do.

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: lesliek on July 21, 2017, 04:36:06 AM
I found with Houdini & Shadow that the spray of Feliway is more effective . I did have the diffusers plugged in , but also sprayed both the 1st floor & basement about 3 times daily. It was getting very $$ ! I used rescue remedy in their food & water & used these treats ; NaturVet quiet moments . It all helped slightly ,they have faced off once now that Houdini is outside , but no actual fighting . Is there any way you can give them each separate areas?

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: August on July 21, 2017, 03:31:01 PM
So sorry to read about the fight.   :P

There's a chance that now that Cara has had "a taste" of Glory that she'll just stay clear of him and let him be Top Dog.  I'll have my fingers crossed that that's how it will be.  I wonder if Glory chose Cara since she seems to be the most "competition" what with her being so strong and solid?

I'm sending good thoughts that it will work out.  It's so hard when there's that emotional attachment.  I know you're probably feeling guilty towards Cara and a bit resentful of Glory (I sure did when Lulu got attacked by Wednesday).  Try to let that go and ... well, I just really hope it works out... or that you have a large house!   ::)

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: merrihart on July 24, 2017, 05:02:01 AM
Catbird, I'm pretty sure Glory is Neutered?  But you might want to check with the shelter, if he had an undescended testicle, he might still be hormonal, and you could be dealing with a mating behavior, which Cara would be totally insulted by, of course.

I'm so sorry to hear that they had a fight, and glad nothing came of it injury wise.  It reminds me of when I first got Miss Lilly, she would fight with Sir, quite bad!  But I had her cage, and she was safe in her cage, and she knew it and would immediately go there.

I hope you find a solution.

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: mikken on July 24, 2017, 10:17:19 AM
True!  We have two cats at the shelter now (brothers) returned for marking in the house.  Well, they each had one undescended testicle and two vets hunted around in them THREE TIMES to try to find the testicles, but could not.  They ended up being vasectomies and adopted out that way, but a hormone test shows that they are both still rocking the testosterone.

So we have to take them to a specialist who has some kind of laser?  The first guy we tried wanted $1300 for each cat!  But he was willing to cut the shelter a break and make it only $1000 per cat (yikes).  We're looking for a better price.

So you could see where a shelter would just vasectomize rather than spending crazy money hunting for a testicle...

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: catbird on July 24, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
Yikes! Yes, I have a copy of the shelter form filled out by the vet who neutered him in Kentucky, where he came from (rescue brought him to Wisconsin.) He was neutered in the beginning of February. Nothing about an undescended testicle. How would you tell? Ultrasound?

He doesn't seem to have any of the characteristics of an un-neutered male cat--no heavy jowls or brow ridges, no spraying. Just aggression.

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: August on July 24, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
He may just be testing out the waters now that he's feeling more at home.  Fingers crossed for you!

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: catbird on July 27, 2017, 03:58:06 PM
Does anyone think his aggression towards other cats could be caused by pain from a dental problem? He is the messiest eater I have ever seen, and I've noticed that he sometimes shakes his head while eating dry food, flinging it all over. He's pretty young for dental issues, but I've seen it happen before with rescue cats. He also goes through periods of chewing on things, and as far as I know, he should be well past teething. He's certainly not aggressive to humans, far from it.

Another thing I wondered about was ear mites--could that make him crabby? He was treated twice for ear mites before I got him, and although I've never had a cat with ear mites, I've heard that they are notoriously hard to get rid of.

I am going to make him a vet appointment, even though he was just seen by the local rescue vet in early May. I don't know what else to do.

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: NedF on July 27, 2017, 10:02:07 PM
I would say yes pain does contribute to aggression. Smoggy is very short tempered when his pancreatitis flares up and his attacks on Stormy are more frequent. It does sound like something is bothering him if he's shaking his head when he chews on the dry food. It could be a tooth or a jaw problem. Is he sensitive around the jaw area when you pet him?

Stormy had ear mites and she didn't act aggressively, just scratched a lot, but she was an only cat. The vet used one dose of Revolution and that cleared them up.

Title: Re: Catfight
Post by: merrihart on August 01, 2017, 07:12:03 AM
Yes, sounds like something is bothering him.  Let us know how the vet appointment goes!