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Title: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: catbird on September 08, 2014, 05:33:16 PM
California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice formula is the only dry cat food out there that does not cause any allergic reactions for either Linley (allergic to fish, fish oils, and apparently kelp) or Phantom (corn). Except for a bad bag that gave my older cats vomiting and diarrhea in August 2012, and later a shortage due to a needed plant cleanup (probably contamination was the source of my cats' illness) I have been very satisfied with the food. All my cats liked it, and did well with it. I appreciated the brown rice in the formula for the fiber, since I have some elderly cats and want to prevent constipation.

I am no longer satisfied. Apparently there has been a formula change, and not for the better. When I bought new bags about a month ago, I noticed that the picture on the bag was different, so I checked the ingredients. It appears that white rice, which I don't remember being there before, has now been added in addition to the brown rice.

My cats are much less enthusiastic about the food than they used to be. Today, a friend who also uses this food due to the multiple allergies of one of her cats, said to me, "What is up with California Natural? My cats don't like it as much any more since I bought a new bag."

We bought our bags in different sizes, different BB dates, from different stores at different times. Her cats' reaction reinforces my idea that the formula has changed.

 >:( >:(  I just knew P&G would meddle with what used to be a perfectly good food when they bought the company. (The bags were produced before the sale to Mars, who will probably make things even worse.)


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: lesliek on September 09, 2014, 04:28:13 AM
Sorry the safe food search has to start again ! I think you are right though , you got lucky it didn't go downhill earlier & it will probably get worse !


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: caylee on September 09, 2014, 04:32:45 AM
Catbird, Have you tried using "California Natural - pure and simple - Grain Free - Chicken Formula" - purple bag?
That is what I use, or have they also changed that formula too? Ugh.



Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: Sandi K on September 09, 2014, 01:09:49 PM
It just confirms to me if these companies truly understood cats, they would never change their formulas.  Im guessing, if they did add white rice, that maybe its cheaper than all brown rice?  Usually they dont make changes unless its to up their profit margin. 


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: catmom5 on September 09, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
You are right  - it's all about maintaining or increasing their profits. I don't trust any of them anymore.
Wish my cats would eat real food!


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: GKit on September 09, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
I'd be suspicious they added the white rice and reduced the amount of chicken, doing that ingredient splitting labeling trick.  Explanation of that here: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/ingredient-splitting/. (http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/ingredient-splitting/.) >:(


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: August on September 09, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
My guys were sort of like "Did this change?" and they aren't as gaga for it as they used to be, and while I'd rather they not change formulas (for crying out loud), it's still their favorite dry (we also do Orijen, Acana, and Artemis).  No issues to note.


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: catbird on September 09, 2014, 04:14:28 PM
I'd be suspicious they added the white rice and reduced the amount of chicken, doing that ingredient splitting labeling trick. 

That is precisely what I thought! Especially since that would make a difference in how good it tasted to my cats. They expect it to taste like meat!

I have not had good results with grain-free dry foods with my cats in the past, which is why I haven't tried the Pure and Simple. Even small amounts of grain-free dry (various brands) made Kalahari get constipated, and she's having even more tendencies in that direction now that she is older. Phantom, who eats mostly dry food, also gets constipated on grain-free dry. So we use grain-free wet food, but I prefer to have some grain for fiber in the dry.  I have to have a food around that is safe for everyone to eat.

They won't eat Wellness dry food, don't like it.


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: Sandi K on September 10, 2014, 06:30:44 PM
catbird, Im sorry you might be having to find a new food, I know how difficult it is with one kitty let alone the many you have.  These pet food companies suck.   Sophers says grrrrr to them.  :P


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: catbird on September 15, 2014, 02:02:34 PM
As added evidence for the declining quality of this food, I have two cats currently experiencing symptoms of constipation/hairballs (Linley and Kalahari.) Linley, despite being long-haired, has NEVER had hairballs. He always passed hair in his stools with no difficulty. He has been acting kind of subdued for a couple of days, and today, horked up some hair. I think I've seen him do that all of twice in the 7 years I've had him. And for the first time ever, I observed Kalahari straining in the litter box, then passing a small BM much drier than is normal for her. I've found some harder-than-normal BMs in the box on and off the past month or so, but wasn't 100% sure who they belonged to, until I watched Kalahari. She also vomited early this morning, so I'll be she's plugged up. I just now gave her some Nutrical I had on hand, which she loves, can use the calories from anyway, and which has some stool-softening properties.

 >:( Now I have to find something extra to give them regularly to relieve these problems.  Will have to get hairball treats and/or Laxatone, and hope they will eat it, not always a given with this group.

(Phantom, who eats a lot of Fromm Duck A La Veg, which has beet pulp for fiber, is not experiencing these problems. Nor is Cara, but she's always had a bit of tendency to looseness, and she's much younger.)


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: GKit on September 15, 2014, 03:20:04 PM
How frustrating, catbird.  It really bugs me when they change their formulations without really saying so clearly, and they seem to do it more and more often these days.


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: Spartycats on September 15, 2014, 03:22:28 PM
Do Linley and Kalahari eat canned food, also? 


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: catbird on September 15, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
Yes, both do eat canned food; most of Kalahari's diet is in fact canned. Linley is about 75% canned, 25% dry. But the fiber in the original formula seemed to be just enough to keep them both regular and help them pass hair.

Linley can't eat the Fromm dry food because of fish oils; Kalahari doesn't much like the Fromm, although she will occasionally nibble a little. I feed the Fromm to Phantom at night when Linley is in a different area.


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: Spartycats on September 15, 2014, 04:38:40 PM
Just a thought ?   No experience.
http://www.canidae.com/cat-food/life-stages/dry/chicken-meal-and-rice (http://www.canidae.com/cat-food/life-stages/dry/chicken-meal-and-rice)



Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: catbird on September 15, 2014, 04:55:54 PM
Spartycats, thanks, I will look into it.


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: 5CatMom on October 15, 2014, 08:08:44 AM
Don't know if this explains any apparent changes with the food, but my indie retailer said that Natura had been sold to Mars.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101566238#.

(Sorry if this is old news, but I haven't been here for a while and may be a bit rusty)

5CM


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: Spartycats on October 15, 2014, 11:28:53 AM
Welcome back, 5CatMom!!


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: caylee on October 15, 2014, 03:38:31 PM
Yes, Welcome Back 5CatMom!


Title: Re: California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice--apparent formula change
Post by: lesliek on October 15, 2014, 03:47:05 PM
Welcome back 5CatMom !