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Title: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on November 29, 2011, 05:39:57 PM
I have not had a good run of luck with my cats in the past few months.  First, back in August, Phantom swallowed that toy mouse and had to go to the ER.  (She recovered fully and rapidly with no long-term effects other than to my bank account.)  Then Isis had been not doing well, and was recently diagnosed with severe hyperthyroidism.

In all the talking I've done about Isis recently, I haven't mentioned what's been going on with Cameo.  She has hurt her right rear leg.

Back about a month ago, Cameo was jumping into our bay window like she always does, and she fell.  It's not very high off the floor (which is carpeted) and I'm sure she kind of miscalculated because there was a Halloween pumpkin in the window, which she wasn't used to, and probably affected her landing space.  She landed more or less on her hind legs, and seemed to be fine.  But she stopped going into the bay window.  I figured she was afraid.

A few weeks later, Cameo was standing in the living room and Linley walked by her too closely for her comfort, and must have looked threatening.  Cameo threw herself down on her back and side to put all four paws with claws extended towards Linley.  (She does this when she feels really threatened.)  She seemed to land very hard on the same hind leg that had taken the brunt of the weight during the earlier fall.  After that, we noticed that Cameo did not seem able to jump up on the couch.  She would try, but would cry and just couldn't seem to get the oomph to get up there.  Sometimes, when we lift her up on the couch, she will later jump down, and after that she seems to limp/favor that same hind leg.  She also isn't running like she used to.  I can tell that it hurts her sometimes when she stands up or walks. :'(

There are two complicating factors in this.  For one, Cameo is quite fat.  (She has always had food issues which I attribute to her Hurricane Katrina experiences, plus I'm sure she's been going around and visiting the multiple feeding stations we've had to put out for Isis in the past few months.)  Second, she is a Manx.  Cameo is about nine or ten years old; we have had her for six years now, and she's never had any of the Manx spinal problems.  I think the problem that is causing the inability to jump up and the limping is in the leg, but of course, I can't help worrying about her back.

She doesn't seem to have anything that would indicate a slipped disc or something like that; I've seen her scratch her ear with the same leg and she seems to have full mobility of the joint.  It's just weight-bearing and pushing off to jump that seem to be painful.

In examining the leg, it looks to me like it might be somewhat swollen around the middle joint.  I believe she has a soft-tissue injury that is slow to heal because of her weight, and probably hurts extra with the weather here.  (I know my bad knee has been aching at times!)  At this time, I do not want to subject her to the stress and bouncing around of a vet visit in cold weather, and my plan is to watch it and try to minimize further trauma to the area.  I'm giving her glucosamine chondrotin treats for cartilage support.

Yesterday I bought her pet steps to get up on the couch, but I think she is afraid or unable to use them.  She understands stairs and using steps to get up to things and has always figured out how to get up where she wants, so it's not a question of learning.

Cameo is my "heart cat", only the second cat in my life that I've felt that special intimate bond with.  She is very sensitive and wise and smart, and it wrenches me to see this dear little purr-son in pain.

So any good vibes, prayers, or special thoughts for my dear little Manx girl would be appreciated.  Thanks for listening.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: August on November 29, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
Catbird, I'm so sorry to hear about this.  I can hear how worried you are about her.  That's great that you got some cat stairs for her - hopefully she'll figure out what they are and that they are safe, and she'll start using them so if her leg is giving her trouble, it will have a chance to mend.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that it's just a matter of letting her leg muscles rest some.

<<<hugs>>>


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: petslave on November 29, 2011, 06:33:58 PM
Poor Cameo!  I hope she recovers soon.  If not, it would be good to have her leg & back x-rayed, as I'm sure you will.  Manx seem to be susceptable to this kind of injury, especially if they are a little overweight.  Their balance can be a little off, and if they slip, they never quite land like a tailed cat.  Bottom heavy combined with no tail to correct and balance, plus maybe a little stiffer back with that shortened spinal column.

Rudi has done this about 10x in his 14 years of life.  Generally he didn't favor one leg, but seemed to have general pain/tenderness in all of his hindquarters.  He also got really grumpy and defensive, growling and hissing if I even petted his head.  The first time happened a few weeks after I got him.  I saw him try to jump up on furniture, slip and hit right on his tail stub.  I took him to the vet after a day of not being able to jump and acting very irritable from the pain.  Vet checked him over and I think x-rayed him.  Nothing showed, so he said he probably bruised his tail and other parts of his back. 

I think that even if they don't show any back problems when younger, most tailess/almost tailless manxies do have some spine abnormalities and will probably develop at least a little arthritis when aging.  Rudi is having a lot of trouble with hyperesthesia and stiffness in his back and hind legs now, the same thing that happened to my first dear little manxy girl.  I'm trying to find some nutritional support for arthritis and the hyperesthesia, and trying gradually to get him to lose a little weight.  Cameo is still young, so if you can find some nutritional boosters for her before she gets too creaky, she might do a lot better than mine have as she ages.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on November 29, 2011, 06:48:51 PM
Thanks, petslave, for that information.  Although I'm sorry to hear about Rudi having fallen and hurt himself all those times, I am in an odd way reassured, since if he recovered without serious problems, hopefully Cameo will too.  And maybe she will benefit from starting the glucosamine at this age.

She has always appeared to be much more careful when jumping than most of my other cats, which I have attributed to more difficulty with balance since she lacks a tail.

I don't think it's her rear or hip, because I frequently see her sitting on her little tail nub with both hind legs splayed out forwards, to groom her legs and tummy.  She reminds me of Jabba the Hut when she's in this position!


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: petslave on November 29, 2011, 06:55:48 PM
That's a good sign that she can roll back on her tail like that.  Rudi could never do that, in part because of his big belly, but also because he has always been a little sensitive back there.  How much of a tail does Cameo have?  I think the fewer the vertebrae, the more likely they have deformities in the rest of the spinal column.  My first manx girl was completely tailless.  Rudi has maybe 2 bones at most, probably one, just enough to raise a patch of hair when he "puts" his tail up, which is rather cute. 


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Meowli on November 29, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Sending prayers for Cameo, I hope her leg feels better soon. Maybe right now until she uses the cat stairs, maybe a cat ramp?
hugs 


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: merrihart on November 29, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Sounds like a sprain or a popped joint, maybe.  HOpefully nothing worse.  {{{hugs}}} for cameo and may she heal well.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on November 29, 2011, 08:07:44 PM
That's a good sign that she can roll back on her tail like that.  Rudi could never do that, in part because of his big belly, but also because he has always been a little sensitive back there.  How much of a tail does Cameo have?  I think the fewer the vertebrae, the more likely they have deformities in the rest of the spinal column.  My first manx girl was completely tailless.  Rudi has maybe 2 bones at most, probably one, just enough to raise a patch of hair when he "puts" his tail up, which is rather cute.  

Cameo has a little nub of tail which is actually mostly fur.  It feels like there isn't any bone in there at all, just a little cartilage, or maybe a couple of really, really tiny bones.  Her tail always shows, but shows a lot more when she "puts it up" as you describe it.  There is a picture of her tail end here:


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2631/4126098284_5ca770538a.jpg)

You can see her tail just above the yellow squash in the picture.  It's in the "up" position, from being pushed against the "still life", which is the maximum length and visibility.  She is very much the bunny-tail kind of Manx.

ETA:  Looking at this picture, which was taken 2 years ago, it's amazing that she's gotten fatter still!  I think all the weight Isis lost, Cameo has gained. :P


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Fizzy1 on November 29, 2011, 11:21:35 PM
I think there must be some law somewhere that says if you have more than one pet, they have to get sick or hurt at the same time :-\   I'm sorry to read about your heart-kitty, Cameo.  She is just beautiful in that picture.  I will be sending big healing vibes her way :-* 


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: lesliek on November 30, 2011, 06:08:06 AM
You might want to try the Zeel & Traumeel or call the vet for a pain med. Hopefully its just a sprained knee, but you may need xrays if it doesn't improve soon. Try a little catnip or a few treats on the pet steps, that might encourage  her to try them.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on November 30, 2011, 06:56:59 AM
Are the Zeel and Traumeel OK for cats?  And if so, what is the cat dosage?  I know the "main active ingredient" is arnica, which my vet used when Phantom sprained her front leg years back.  But I don't know about the other ingredients?  I can get it at the grocery co-op if need be.

If I call the vet, I'm sure she'll want me to bring Cami in for an x-ray now, which I don't want to do just yet because I think the car ride could further injure her leg. :-\


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: JoMax on November 30, 2011, 07:17:08 AM
hugs & love for you & your 'little' heart-girl.  Hope she heals soon.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catmom5 on November 30, 2011, 07:54:26 AM
Sorry to hear about Cameo's leg. Hope she's moving more comfortably today. I can certainly understand about not wanting to do a vet appointment unless absolutely necessary. Just getting the carrier out around here sends 3/4 into hiding.

I got the steps when CJ started having real problems jumping and it did take her a bit to be comfortable with them. The treat on the step was the strategy I used and it worked! (She would do most anything for a treat - so that was easy)

Keep us posted!
catmom5


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Sandi K on November 30, 2011, 08:22:54 AM
Oh darn, Im sorry to read this about Cameo.  I agree with Fizzy, it seems that the kitty troubles come in groups or waves.  Do you think Cameo would somehow let you get a heating pad to that area, like maybe try slipping a heating pad under her when she is laying on the side of the leg injury?  For sure, Cameo is in my thoughts and prayers.  Let us know how she continues to do.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catwoods on November 30, 2011, 02:40:24 PM
So sorry to read this! Sending many hopes, head scritches, and hugs, for Cameo to feel better soon.

She looks so cute and beautiful in her photo.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: lesliek on November 30, 2011, 04:26:13 PM
My vet checked online & found many sites [including other vets] that said it was safe for cats. He said full pills 2-3 times daily for Oreo [15 lbs & very chubby right now !] & 1/2 pills for Punkin at 9 lbs. The dogs & I take full pills twice daily , but started at 3x daily for about 2-3 weeks.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: petslave on December 02, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
Is Cameo still having trouble with that leg, catbird?  Her tail is definitely longer than Rudi's.  She's got that butterball Manx shape too, and will continue to "grow" as she ages.  I've had Rudi's rations cut back for a month now and I doubt he's budged more than a few ounces on weight loss.  Maybe if you limit her calories now you can save the difficulty of making her lose a lot of weight later (& having a cat udder that almost reaches the floor!).


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on December 03, 2011, 10:41:54 AM
Cameo seemed to be improving a bit until today, when my husband accidentally stepped on her in the very dim light getting up in the morning. :'(  :'( :'(  He didn't see her, and Cameo with her injury was not able to get out of the way fast enough.  She's limping even worse now.  He apparently stepped on the other hind leg--the "good" one.  We were all in tears. :'( :'(  I don't think anything is broken, since he was not wearing shoes and it was on carpet, but I can tell she's hurting.  She can walk, but has more trouble getting up from lying down or sitting.  It's also raining hard and I don't imagine the dampness does her aches and pains any good.

I don't want to take the risks of transporting her to a vet unless there is no alternative.  There is a significant risk for her in going out in cold weather because she has asthma, plus the risk of picking up a URI at the vet clinic is not one I'm eager to take with an asthmatic cat.  (I had that happen with her once.)  And I don't think the jostling of transport would be good for her injuries, either.  If she doesn't show improvement by Monday, I'm considering checking with one of those mobile in-home vet services (my office mate uses one for her cats and really likes the person) to see if they have x-ray equipment in the van.  I know some of them do.

I've been trying to figure out how to cut back her food a bit, which is very hard in a house with a hyperT cat who needs to eat like crazy, and three other cats, one of whom is on the slight side and always has been.  Plus Cameo has food issues that are probably related to her Hurricane Katrina experiences; she panics if she doesn't have food accessible.  And she's an "emotional eater"--any time she's stressed or bothered, she goes and eats.  And to make things even harder, she will only eat dry food except for tuna, so it really packs on the pounds.

I've just been beside myself with worry.  I've tried to set up as many things as I can so she won't attempt to jump up or down or move around too much.

Please continue all your prayers, good vibes, healing thoughts, and everything else for poor Cameo Manx.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: merrihart on December 03, 2011, 10:52:49 AM
oh, how awful for you and your DH.  I hate when I step on a paw or feel a warm fuzzy body on the back of my foot when I'm walking.

I hope she feels better soon and there is no lasting damage.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on December 03, 2011, 11:29:37 AM
Just checked the website of the mobile vet that was recommended to me.  They do have x-ray on board.  If Cameo does not improve by Monday, I will set up an appointment.

Think I may need a second mortgage. :P


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Meowli on December 03, 2011, 01:16:42 PM
Poor Cameo, I am sending more prayers and good wishes for her leggies to feel better soon. 
hugs


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: August on December 03, 2011, 03:18:32 PM
Oh no!  Your poor husband must feel just awful!

I continue to send many good wishes to Cameo.  It's a good sign if she seemed to have been improving.  That's great that you were able to find one of those mobile vets.  If it comes to using it, I hope it will go well and smoothly.

Until then, Cameo, please rest and feel better for your worried family!


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Mandycat on December 03, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
Many good vibes and prayers being sent your way for Cameo, and you and DH also.   :-*


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: lesliek on December 03, 2011, 05:53:38 PM
Poor thing ! I feel bad for both Cameo & your DH ! Hopes & prayers for it to just be bruising & no vet visit needed.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: JoMax on December 04, 2011, 05:34:02 AM
Poor little Cameo - sending lots of love & healing light, plus head-butts, from here.  The visiting vet sounds a good solution if they have the x-ray equipment, will keep all fingers & paws crossed here.  Hugs &  :-* :-*


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Fizzy1 on December 04, 2011, 10:58:44 AM
I'm sorry to read about the accident.  How is she today, catbird?  Sending all the healing power I've got :-* 


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on December 04, 2011, 11:10:52 AM
Thank you, everyone.  She seems a bit better today.  Still nowhere near like normal, but definitely in less pain, and back closer to the progress she'd made before yesterday's accident.

I think the plan I have set up the past several days, which involves having placed lots of attractive cat beds on the floor in places she hangs out, so that she does not try to climb up on furniture or jump down, is helping to rest the originally-injured leg.  It was after having done this for a couple of days that I first noticed some improvement.

I'm hopeful.

ETA:  A strange irony that I realized last night--yesterday was the sixth anniversary of my meeting her in 2005.  December 3 was a Saturday, just like this year.  This coming Saturday, December 10, will be the sixth anniversary of when we brought her home.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Sandi K on December 04, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
Oh Im so sorry to read about the set-back, Im sure your husband must feel terrible but it can happen so easily especially at night.  I hope he doesnt beat himself up.   Darn, I hope Cameo starts feeling better very soon!  Its so hard to see them not feeling well.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: catbird on December 05, 2011, 08:38:43 AM
Cameo did not do well later last night; was better this AM early but then started showing clear signs of pain and difficulty with the other hind leg (the left one) just a little while ago.  In-home vet is coming in about 20 min.  I am so upset I feel like I could throw up.

Please send us all sorts of calm and healing vibes.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: mikken on December 05, 2011, 09:33:43 AM
Sending healing thoughts to both of you!



Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: Meowli on December 05, 2011, 09:39:41 AM
Sending prayers and healing vibes from here,too.


Title: Re: Now it's Cameo; she has hurt her leg
Post by: billyD on December 05, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
Praying the x-rays show it is minor and that Cameo will soon be back to normal.