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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2007, 08:47:44 PM »

Good going adrienne, these people in the groups are the best, they have lots of experience. If it weren't for these people, my kitty would have died at 17 years old, with their help, she lasted to 19 but it depends on the kitty.  Thanks for doing it for your kitty, it's not every owner that will do sub-q's and all.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2007, 10:32:38 AM »

adrienne, it may be a good idea to introduce yourself and kitty to the Yahoo group and see what they think, maybe your kitty may be in need of something. From experience, I know many vets will not give you an interpretation of the blood test results. Especially, if they see making more money from you.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 11:17:14 AM »

Terri, I am so heartbroken for you...I agree with the walmart garbage...my daughter goes to school almost all of the time, does not have time to watch tv, and knew nothing about the recall, and yet in cleveland ohio she had bought her dog the dingo treats 2 to 3 days after they were recalled, what the dickens is going on with walmart? She had also bought the mult flavored ol roy treats that had been recalled a couple of days after they got recalled...Animal lovers we must ban together...
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 05:19:55 PM »

Hi Hobo.  I went ahead and took my little PooPoo to the vet today and they kept him.  His enzymes weren't extremely elevated yet but they were high.  They went ahead and hooked him back up to the IV fluids and said he had already had a good improvement by late this afternoon.  I attempted the fluids again this morning and did fairly well with them but he got extremely upset with me.  When we got to the vet, he was loving on them but would completely ignore me.  I guess he was pouting.  It was sweet to see but it didn't make me feel really good.  LOL!  Anyway, thank you so much for your help.  It's greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2007, 08:12:48 PM »

adrienne,
I'll leave you with one sub-q tip. There is a brand of needle called Terumo. It's a thin walled needle and extremely sharp. Your kitty will like it better than the regular vet ones. I use 19 or 20 gauge.

Good luck with your kitty and if you need any help at all, by all means log into the Yahoo CRF group and ask away.

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2007, 08:36:39 PM »

Thank you.  That was one major concern that I had about the subcu fluids because the needles they sent home with me last week were huge.  My membership was approved today on the yahoo CRF group but I had already taken him to the vet.  Anyway, that will give me a chance to do some major reading to find out any and everything that I can about CRF/ARF.  You have been a God-send to me and I appreciate it so much.
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2007, 09:19:29 PM »

adrienne,
Yes, the vets needles are usually about 18 ga and thick wall. (the lower the number the bigger the needle diameter) some vets charge reasonable for the subq bags but you can get subq bags for about $2 each at Target pharmacy and depending on which coast your on, a eastern company called Brico is very cheap. They also have the tubing and needles. You need to get a prescription from the vet.

All this info and MUCH more is on the Yahoo groups.
Good luck.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2007, 11:08:02 PM »

hi everyone, im new here but i just wanted to make a suggestion to anyone who's pet developed ARF (acute renal failure vs. CRF, chronic renal failure) and has to do sub cutaneous fluids for their pet.

i agree, the size (guage) of the needle matters, if your cat is uncooperative and has difficulty sitting still during the treatment, a bit larger guage needle may be helpful as the fluids run much faster with them.  if your cat is cooperative, the smaller guage needles are a bit less invasive and the sensation of the fluid infusion is a bit less abrupt, HOWEVER, i dont know why vets dont suggest this, but i have found that warming the fluids before administering them makes the whole ordeal much more comfortable for your pet.

IMPORTANT:  WARM THE BAG OF FLUIDS UNDER WARM WATER.  WHEN THE BAG ITSELF FEELS WARM TO YOUR TOUCH, GENTLY TURN THE BAG END OVER END TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TEMPERATURE IS UNIFORM.  NEXT, OPEN THE LINE AND LET ALL OF THE FLUID IN THE TUBING RUN OUT AS THAT WILL NOT HAVE BEEN WARMED AND WHEN THAT HAS PASSED, MAKE SURE YOU TEST THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WARMED FLUIDS ON YOU WRIST BEFORE ADMINISTERING.  I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT THIS WILL MAKE YOUR PET CONSIDERABLY MORE COMFORTABLE WHILE YOU ARE INFUSING THE FLUIDS.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO ADMINISTER THE FLUIDS BACK AROUND THE SHOULDER BLADES AS OPPOSSED TO THE NECK AREA BECAUSE AS THE FLUIDS POOL UNDER THE SKIN, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR YOUR CAT TO MOVE HIS HEAD COMFORTABLY UNTIL THE FLUIDS DISBURSE.

since a cats normal body temp is 101.5, room temperature fluids administered under his skin will feel quite cold to him.

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2007, 04:29:29 AM »

Makenzie became my son’s dog, I affectionately called her, Girlie, and she gave birth to my daughter’s dog, Dee.  Like the many stories I have read on the forums, hers, too, is terribly sad, excruciatingly painful, emotionally devastating and all too unbelievable to fathom.

Makenzie’s saga began the day of the ice storm in Massachusetts on February 14, 2007 when she came in from the pen limping, unable to use her right hind paw.  I thought she might have taken a tumble on the ice, or Dee had roughhoused with her too much again.  The next day, she was able to put a little more weight on her paw, so I figured it was healing.  However, that Saturday morning, Makenzie’s right hindquarter was noticeably swollen and my two kids rushed her to Tufts Small Animal Hospital in Grafton at 7:30 am – no, they didn’t mind, even though it was the weekend!   

The hospital recognized this as an emergency and she was seen immediately.  Fluids, an anti-inflammatory and sedation were administered.  Blood tests and x-rays were ordered.  Hours later we received a phone call to pick her up.  She had been diagnosed with a torn tendon in her leg and would need to be sedentary for a few weeks.  She would be coming home with Rimadyl, an anti-inflammatory, which needed to be taken with food so the stomach would not become upset and she would need to see an Orthopedic.  Being the good Mommy, I ran right out and got a variety of wet dog food.  Makenzie was not really eating that well at this point, and I knew she fancied wet food and would ALWAYS eat it, so I purchased a variety, including Beneful, though I did not know about the melamine/wheat gluten in the food at this time.  All I knew is that I always fed my two dogs and one cat (yes, my cat eats dog food) Purina One with an alternate bag of Purina Beneful when Makenzie would get finicky, as I had done a couple weeks prior to her becoming ill. 

On Sunday, February 25, 2007 Makenzie’s urine was laden with blood, so I caught Monday’s specimen and brought it to her Vet.  A culture confirmed she had an UTI, with  “numerous” bacteria in her bladder.  How could she have an UTI, I thought, she drinks plenty of water and she goes out enough.  I wracked my brain trying to recall the previous weeks and Makenzie’s behavior.  From the recesses, I remembered her incessant whining, and how she wanted to be let out every ten or so minutes after she had just come in, and the piles of bile I would find spattered on the kitchen floor two or three times a week during that particular time, and wondered if this had anything to do with Makenzie’s issues and no, I did not know about the pet food at this time.

We were informed on Tuesday, February 27 that Makenzie’s x-rays were read and the doctor had received the report.  The news was grave and we found out Makenzie did not have tendonitis, or any other orthopedic condition as suspected, but rather a tumor.  She had Cancer.  Cancer?  How could she have cancer?  She did not exhibit any signs or symptoms of being sick:  no weight loss, no hair loss, no bloody vomit or stools.  NO anything! She was full of vitality up until a couple of weeks ago when she could not walk.  Now you’re telling us, she has Cancer?  This doesn’t make sense, we thought!

Makenzie’s life from that point basically became sedentary and went down hill rapidly.  We set up “comfort stations” around the house.  Her movement and breathing became labored, and it was evident just how hard it was for Makenzie to expend energy.  Any trip outside always ended up with a collapse on the floor the minute she made it through the door and each episode lasted about 30 minutes.  It was heart wrenching to see this otherwise healthy dog so brutally beaten down, as she would look up with her big brown eyes as if to question what was going on.  Still, I had no knowledge of the pet food contamination.

During the last weekend of February, Makenzie took a turn for the worse.  Her breathing became increasingly labored and “congested” and she panted incessantly, which told of the pain she was in.   She was no longer getting up and walking from room to room.  On March 2, 2007, I called Tufts for pain meds, as I was not going to let this faithful, loving dog suffer - I would be damned before I would let that happen.  Elimination and defecation were miniscule and I began to force feed her, making batches of white rice and mixing the wet Beneful in, so I could get meds into her, especially the pain pills and, no, I still did not know about the pet food.

Makenzie drank copious amounts of water.  In fact, that is all she wanted, water, water and more water.  I noticed that her chest began to swell and she began to clear her throat more and more, as if she had a bad cough, or phlegm were caught in her throat.  She no longer felt comfortable in a prone position and would force herself to sit upright as long as she could, despite the pain in her hocks.  Her paws showed signs of swelling and I thought to myself, these are all signs and symptoms of congestive heart failure.   

On March 6, my daughter who routinely came home at 3 am to take Makenzie out told me Makenzie would not get up that morning.  As well, she would not get up and go out for me at 6 am, not going that day at all, and I knew renal shutdown had begun its course.   My son, who had been in denial this whole time with respect to Makenzie’s condition, came home and tried to coax Makenzie into his room from the living room.  Normally, Makenzie would follow, wagging her tail, beaming like the beautiful, faithful dog she was!  However, this time, she just followed him with her eyes, happy to see him, of course, but unable to follow him and he knew as he walked to his room, crying his heart out, that it was time to let his companion go.

We had three weeks to spend time with, continue to love and to prepare ourselves for the death of our family member. 

Makenzie was 11 years old when our Vet was called on Wednesday, March 7, 2007 and she was put to rest.   

We will always love and miss her.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2007, 07:35:46 AM »

Awe Donna.  I am so sorry to hear about your beautiful Makenzie.  Everytime I read another story about someone's pet who has died, the angrier and more upset I get.  There is just no excuse that we are all having to deal with this at all.  Again, I am sorry this happened to your precious baby.
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 07:52:26 AM »

This is just a quick tip. It is NOT veterinary advice and might not even happen with your pet,  it just comes from many years of having kitties.

When the kidneys are damaged, the first thing you will generally notice is  changed water drinking and peeing habits. They will start to drink a lot of water and will drink out of unusual things like buckets, toilet bowls etc.

Also, they might pee on the  floor or something else unusual. The bowel movement habits may change too.

Take your pet to the vet ASAP and have a complete blood test done. They  need to get fluids if it's kidney damage.

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2007, 10:18:55 AM »

Sesajune, your story breaks my heart. I know too well how vet bills can further stress an already awful situation. If I might make a suggestion - try calling Actors and Others for Animals to see if there are any programs that may help you pay veterinary costs. Years ago, they helped me with an expensive surgery my dog Apollo (RIP) needed. With this recall, they may be getting more calls for help, but it's worth a try. There are also other organizations with similar programs. Maybe your vet can refer you to one?

Best of luck to you and your babies. I was lucky in that I didn't feed any of the recalled foods, but I have taken the added precaution of switching to an all-natural, organic dry food (Innova) and Wellness canned food for the kitties. Though it's expensive, it goes further and has NO GRAIN.

Edited to add: Wal-mart is a rotten organization, through and through. I'd write to their corporate HQ and compain.
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2007, 10:09:36 PM »

Sesajune..I am so sorry for you and you're pets,  I know there is something called ..Care Credit  that might beable to help you get the medical attention you're pets need.. ask you're vet about it..or look it up 
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 11:02:15 AM »

So sorry to read all of the heartbreaking stories.  Now that I've read the story by Mackenzie's owner, I remember my dog having a limp one day some time around the time she started becoming sick.  Didn't think much of it because it went away shortly.  Anyway--my dog had diarrhea on a Sunday.  And started acting like she was generally not feeling well.  Monday rolled along and I started hearing a little bit about the poisoned pet foods.  I generally feed my dog the lower priced foods (thank goodness!) and give her ground beef & eggs, etc. a couple of times per week.  But for the first time in a long time I had bought a can of Gravy Train.  As soon as I heard about the poisoned foods, I started cooking chicken broth for her and started feeding it to her with a little meat in it.  I was starting to panic because of her being sick at the same time that they started the recalls.  She would seem to get better then turn around the next day and get worse.  Fevers in the evening, etc.  I immediately stopped feeding her all commerical pet foods.  (And my kitty cat). 

I quickly read on the message boards what others had to say about it.  (Not getting anything from the news).  And decided the vets weren't doing too much except when kidney failure started and the iv's seemed to help that or prolong it and give the pet a chance to heal.

Anyway--I've had 1 kidney infection and about 2 urinary tract infections.  I think I avoided a couple of more because as soon as I would feel one coming on (from too much coffee, soda, or whatever) I would start drinking cranberrry juice.  One glass would show immediate results.  (My sister had a urinary tract infection recently & the dr put her on antibiotics--she was still not feeling well--I reminded her to drink cranberry juice & she got immediate relief moreso than the antibiotics). 

Anyway--everyone seems to think dogs have kidneys similar to humans so I started thinking that if humans get bacteria in their kidneys or urinary tracts that cranberry juice is an immediate relief. 

My dog went from diarrhea, drinking water, not drinking water, peeing a little more than usual, then not peeing at all, then constipation, etc.  I decided to try her with cranberry supplements in tablet form along with chicken broth only.  She immediately started peeing normal again.  I also got her moving.  Took her on her walks where she would drink from the stream (although ignoring her water bowl in the kitchen).  When I felt she had gone too long without a bowel movement, I used a little castor oil.  (She looked bloated, too).  And kept an eye on her for dehydration.  But the homemade broth, cranberry supplements & a little castor oil (only for constipation) seemed to work.  She is fine now after a full week of her not being well, seeming to be well again, not feeling well, over and over. 

One day she would even squat as if to pee & nothing came out.  Not long after a cranberry supplement was given to her, she would pee normally. 

I just felt like after reading all of the messages pouring into itchmo.com and petconnnection.com that the Vets were not able to do much.  I firmly believe myself that the cranberry supplements got rid of the bacteria "poison" in my dogs kidneys just like cranberry does for humans. 

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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2007, 12:46:25 AM »

Very importantly, there are many of us on this island in North Carolina and around the US who feed feral cats on a daily basis. Even though we are trying to produce our own cat food and shopping for a company who doesn't utilize Menu Foods and the cheap feed from China, we are extremely concerned that the feral cats of our island are suffering and dying somewhere along the sand dunes. You see, typically, ferals only come up to eat after the provider has left their food. Most times, we cannot account for the numbers of them, therefore, there will never be a complete account or record of the cats who have died at the hands of ChemNutra and Menu Foods. I repeat, you will never have total knowledge of the cats and dogs who have suffered and died because of the pet food recall.

And what about human food --- are we next or has that already been established?

Our ferals are perhaps dying en masse also but because they do not have a pet-parent, their sicknesses will go unattended to and their deaths will go unreported. They will suffer and die alone --- all because man tossed them out and gentle souls chose to trust in the US system to feed them.

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