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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 06:36:49 AM »

Is this from 2004?  I think I came across this in my researching, I think this is before they started using RDZ.    That is a very high statistic for show cats having the parasite huh?  Just shows how many pets must be carrying it without the owner knowing.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 07:05:22 AM »

Without the entire article, I can't be sure of the date, but the study occured subsequent to the 2004 grant.  The article mentions ronidazole.

"Results: Paromomycin and omeprazole showed no in vitro effect at concentrations ±80 ?g/mL. There was no significant difference in 24-hour susceptibilities among metronidazole, ronidazole, and furazolidone. In addition, only the results of the highest concentration tested (80 ?g/mL) and concentrations of 1.25 and 2.5 ?g/mL revealed significant differences in the rate of trophozoite killing, with ronidazole having a faster reduction in trophozoite survival.

Conclusions and Clinical Importance: Time-kill assays demonstrated ronidazole had a higher lethal activity compared with metronidazole. These findings contrast with a previously published report and may reflect strain variation, different methodologies, or both. The lack of clinical response seen with metronidazole administration to treat feline trichomoniasis may not reflect inherent resistance but rather in vivo events involving drug distribution and pharmacokinetics."


http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119819290/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 07:18:01 AM »

I came across this today as well, which has some important points, its from 2007. See page 3 for TF studies:

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/HEALTH_STUDY_GRANTS_2007.pdf
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 07:20:01 AM »

Hi Rolling Moss,
(Please check your personal Messages - I sent you one last night)
We have 2 male Bengal brothers (Barnum & Bailey) that we successfully treated for TF in March/07!!  Grin
Since TF is a relatively "new" parasite in the cat world, many vets, pet owners and even breeders may be unaware of it's existence.  Sadly though, many breeders are aware that they have it in their catteries, but choose not to test for or treat for it.  Until they do, TF will continue to spread and unfortunately, the "victims" are the cats themselves and their unsuspecting new owners!  Our breeder here in Canada knows she has TF in her cattery, yet when she is specifically asked by prospective clients if she has it, apparently she denies it! 
If your cats tested Positive for TF by PCR (DNA), then they do have it - no mistake about it!  There really isn't any point in trying to treat with other drugs (ie. metronidazole, etc.) because typically, the symptoms may improve some while on the drug, but once the drug is discontinued the symptoms return.
Our boys suffered the "waxing/waning" diarrhea for 7 months before we decided to treat for it with RDZ.  Like you, we were hesitant at first for similar reasons as yours.  We decided to proceed with treatment because we were concerned what the long term effects of their chronic diarrhea might pre-dispose them to later in life (such as IBD).  While it is not known at this point whether or not the chronic diarrhea could pre-dispose cats to IBD, studies "suggest" that this is a possibility.  Makes sense to me - if you had chronic diarrhea for up to 2 yrs., one would think that "something" may result from it later on.
While it is true that the majority of cats resolve the diarrhea on their own - sometimes up to 2 yrs. or longer  Shocked - if left untreated evidence indicates that these cats will remain carriers of the parasite.  Stressful episodes may cause flare-ups in these cats, plus they are potential sources of infection/re-infection to other cats they come in contact with.  While TF does not otherwise adversely affect the health of the cat, it can't be "comfortable" to have diarrhea all the time!
Ronidazole is banned in the U.S. and Canada (and other countries) for use in food producing animals because of it's potential carcinogenic effects in humans.  However, RDZ can be obtained for treatment of TF in cats (I believe that's what's referred to as "off-label" use?)  If you decide to treat with RDZ it is imperative that it be obtained from a Compounding Pharmacy, because it is not a "one dose fits all" drug.  The dosage is dependent on the weight of the cat.  Consideration should be given to the cat's normal anticipated weight gain during the 2 week course of treatment, allowing them to "grow into" the therapeutic dose otherwise the dosage could become "sub-therapeutic" rendering it ineffective.  For example, when we treated our boys, their compounded dosage for each of them was around 33 mg/kg.  At the end of the 2 week period, with normal weight gain for growing kittens, their dose was aroung 30 mg/kg.  Do you see what I mean?
We were fortunate in that, at the time we were treating, we were corresponding with a Bengal breeder (not ours!) who had treated her whole cattery for TF (obviously a very responsible breeder), which gave me the confidence to treat our boys.  Also, we have a wonderful vet that works with us, and after her own research, stated "It's not like you need to wear a Haz-Mat suit to administer the RDZ"!
RDZ is compounded into gelcaps due to it's bitter taste.  It's not one of those meds. that can be "slipped" into a cat's canned food.  There are precautions to take (for your safety) when administering RDZ.  It is recommended that you wear disposable gloves when giving the gelcaps to the cat, and for scooping the litter.  Litter should be double bagged for putting in the trash.
At the time we were treating, the recommended dosage range was 30 - 50mg/kg given twice a day for 2 wks.  Currently, the recommended dosage range is 30 - 50 mg/kg once a day.  It is also recommended to stick to the lower end of the dosage range (around 30 mg/kg) - less chance of side effects.
An excellent link to share with your vet on TF and treatment (by the vet who did the study on it) is - www.cvm.ncsu.edu  (Enter Tritrichomonas Foetus in the Search box - click on the first link that displays.  Then scroll down the page to "An owners guide to diagnosis and treatment of feline T. foetus infection")


I could go on and on about TF - after having been through it, it is a subject that I'm very passionate about.  I like to help "purrents" who are experiencing it, in any way I can.
No one can advise you whether or not you should treat for TF.  That's something you'll have to decide on your own.  This is only my opinion - we just couldn't stand the thought of our boys potentially developing something later in life as a result of the constant diarrhea they were having with TF.  For us, treating with RDZ was the "lesser of two evils".
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 07:35:41 AM »

Rollingmoss, our Sophers had diahrrea with blood in it for months and even though she was treated for coccidia the diahrrea hung on for close to 8 months if not longer.  I remember the vet testing her for T Foetus and giardia several times.  I might consider running one more test just to make sure before you go down the road of the meds for T Foetus.  I did find this info also:  http://www.hcvma.org/notes/SpeakerNotesToddTams.pdf

Tritrichomonas foetus
Tritrichomonas foetus is a recently identified enteric protozoan of cats. It causes chronic large bowel diarrhea
(loose stools, presence of blood and mucus, straining to defecate), and is most commonly seen in young cats
that have resided in densely populated housing such as catteries and shelters. The diarrhea may be
intermittent or persistent. Loose stool may dribble out (lack of control) and the anal area may become
edematous. The organism is present in the ileum, cecum, and colon as a trophozoite. The organism does not
encyst, so trophozoites are the only recognized stage. Infection in feral cats and healthy cats appears to be
uncommon.
Until 2005 no effective treatment had been identified. The diarrhea eventually resolves over a period of time
(months up to one to two years), but currently ronidazole is the recommended therapy, and tinidazole may be
effective in some cases. It is important that an accurate diagnosis be made so that clients can be counseled
appropriately, i.e., they should expect that their cat(s) will continue to have abnormal stools for some period of
time. Also, it is not uncommon for cats to be co-infected with Giardia, so a thorough evaluation for parasites is
important (run a minimum of one zinc sulfate with centrifugation and a Giardia antigen test).
Tritrichomonas foetus is commonly mistaken for Giardia trophozoites on direct smear exam. All trichomonads
posses three to five anterior flagella, an undulating membrane, and a recurrent flagellum attached to the edge of
the undulating membrane. All flagella originate from an anterior basal body. An axostyle extends the length of
the trichomonad and extends posteriorly. A cyst stage is not known for this genus. Video clips showing both
Giardia and Tritrichomonas trophozoites are available on the North Carolina State University website cited in the
reference list below.
Definitive diagnosis can be made in some cases by direct smear of fresh feces in saline and examined at 200 to
400x magnification. Sensitivity is low, however, for diagnosis by direct smear (only 14% in one study), so
results can often be false negative. To increase the chance of finding Tritrichomonas trophozoites on direct
smear, it is recommended that multiple direct smears be done on the same day. Whenever possible, a cat with
suggestive signs should be hospitalized for part or all of a day so that each fecal sample that is passed can be
examined quickly via direct saline smear.
Tritrichomonas foetus can also be grown from feces via incubation at 37 degrees C in Diamond’s medium. A
commercially available culture system is also available and is recommended for use in clinical practice (InPouch
TF, Biomed Diagnostics Inc., San Jose, CA). The medium in InPouch does not support the growth of Giardia
species or Pentatrichomonas hominis so presence of organisms is consistent with T. foetus. PCR is the most
sensitive means for confirming a diagnosis. In one study of 36 cats with T. foetus infection, 20/36 were positive
on the InPoch TF test and 34/36 were positive on PCR. Details on the PCR assay can be reviewed on the
North Carolina State website.
Recent studies at North Carolina State University showed that ronidazole is effective (30 mg/kg BID for 14
days). Ronidazole is a nitroimidazole antimicrobial that is not licensed for any use in the U.S. The medication is
not readily available in the United States, but several compounding pharmacies are preparing to make the drug
available. The drug has mutagenic properties, so it must be compounded the same way as chemotherapy
drugs. Several sources for ronidazole include WestLab Pharmacy in Gainesville, FL and Diamondback Drugs
in Scottsdale, AZ (www.diamondbackdrugs.com). We have had several cats experience mild neurological side
effects to ronidazole, similar to what can be seen with metronidazole. These resolved upon discontinuation of
the drug. The dose of 30 mg/kg should not be exceeded. It is important that an accurate diagnosis be made so
that clients can be counseled appropriately, i.e., they should expect that their cat(s) will continue to have
abnormal stools for some period of time until definitive treatment can be administered.
An alternative drug which can be tried is tinidazole. This is also a nitroimidazole antimicrobial. A dose of 15-30
mg/kg SID can be tried. It should be safe and may or may not be effective. Studies are ongoing.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 07:51:48 AM »

Sandi K,

I hope I don't offend you by saying that the info you posted is several years outdated.  It has been determined that Tinidazole is not effective in erradicating TF.
The vet who conducted the study on TF and treatment with RDZ presented an Update on TF at a Symposium in June of 2008.  The lecture notes can be viewed at -
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/WinnSymposiumProc.html - "Tritrichomonas Foetus Infection: What You Need to Know"
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 07:58:50 AM »

No offense taken, I think I was thinking that it might show how one can be mistaken for the other, giardia for T.Foetus.  I guess Im just thinking if it were me, that I would want to do one more test to make sure before I went down the road of using that medication.   
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 08:00:03 AM »

Hi Bengal Circus,

Thank you so much for all your information, it really helps to hear someone's personal experiences!! I did get your personal message and I shall reply later today when I have more time available (when I am not at work!)  Wink   Your post and your email has been very informative and has given me a lot to think about, thank you.
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 08:26:18 AM »

Bengal Circus, with the experience you've had, I was wondering whether you think treating with Tinidazole might be worthwhile to try just to see if it does have an effect (if one is afraid to go down the road of ronidazole)?  I was thinking the info I have read implied that it didnt necessarily not work in all cases, it might have worked in some cases?  Altho its unfortunate that Rollingmoss is having to go thru this with their kitties, its good to have some info here at Itchmo as its not a widely recognized problem.   
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2008, 10:21:03 AM »

Sandi K:

From everything I've read regarding the use of Tinidazole, it is not effective in eradicating TF.

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=19143362

Again, this is just my opinion.  If a cat were treated with Tinidazole, while there may be some "relief" with the diarrhea, once the drug was discontinued, the diarrhea would more than likely return.  Then the cat has pretty much needlessly taken an antibiotic - of which all antibiotics can be harsh on kitty's intestinal tract.  Then, if treatment with RDZ is desired, the cat must be off all antibiotics for at least 2 wks. prior to starting with the RDZ.  Repeated dosing with different antibiotics in an attempt to eradicate TF only serves to prolong the infection.
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2008, 12:56:45 PM »

Thanks Bengal Circus, good information! 
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2008, 02:05:42 PM »

Yeah I have not given my bengals any antibiotics, it also would effect the results of the tests - it would cause them to be negative apparentely.
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2008, 05:17:57 AM »

Hi everyone,

I think we have pretty much decided that we are going to treat our 2 bengal girls with the drug RDZ.  After speaking to the vet and specialists in this area it seems the best thing to do in the long run. Its just a case of finding the right time to start the drug on them where they have our complete and utter attention all day every day for 14 days.

I came across this article earlier (its dated 2008): 
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=2830&EVetID=3002246

and at the bottom it mentions treatment for TF and this I quote :  "In the past, several different antibiotics have been reported to be effective but it turns out that this is probably an overestimate since 88% of cats will resolve their diarrhea spontaneously within 2 years. They will still be infected, or at least 57% of them will be, but they will have normal stool and they may relapse with stress."

I believe our 2 bengals deserve to be given the chance to be cured and for us not to worry that even if the diarrhea did resolve itself naturally the parasite might still flare up at a later date when perhaps they are poorly with something else and we would always regret not treating them when they were "healthy".

I do hope this is the right decision and I shall keep you all posted on how it goes. The next step is to take them both into the vets to be weighed and the calculations to be made for the drug.  I hope that us deciding to treat our cats will encourage others with similar symptoms to test for and treat this parasite so it can be eradicated from the bengal population.

Wish us luck  Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2008, 05:52:48 AM »

It sounds as if you have done your research and are making an informed decision about what's best for your kittens. That's all any of us can do. Good luck with the treatments and please do stay in touch and let us know how you all are doing.
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2008, 06:54:19 AM »

Rollingmoss, I agree with catmom, many thoughts and prayers go out to you and your furkids that they will finally get better with this treatment.  Please keep us posted on how they do.     
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