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« on: March 07, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »

Well, not sure how should I start this.

I realized that Tiger had been peeing a lot and drink a lot more water for the past few weeks. With two cats before, I had no clue who ate, peed or pooped more.  Now, she's all by herself, I realized that maybe most of the pee came from her.  She had four pee in 1.5 days.  She only pooped once every two days.  Her diet is Orijen Chicken (and that's the only one she ate, she doesn't like wet food at all and no longer show any interest in broth).  I google online, and the suggestion is kidney failure.  She is 14 years old in May. By the way, she is very overweight, I always thought she's the one that ate all the dry food.  Apparently, she doesn't eat a lot, she just doesn't move too much.  Or maybe she loose her appetite because she misses Wasabi?

I called the vet office and the earliest appointment is next week.  Should I bring her to the vet right away?  Feel so helpless right now. Sigh!!!
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 03:13:30 PM »

I can't give any advice, but we do have a whole section devoted to kidney failure and such. You may find some answers to your questions.

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http://itchmoforums.com/feline-chronic-renal-failure-and-insufficiency-b82.0/
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 03:37:03 PM »

Kidney failure is one possibility, diabetes is another. Both conditions are very treatable. Also dry food makes them thirstier, so she would be drinking more then peeing more. A blood test can easily tell.

When my Purry years ago then later my Oscar showed those symptoms, they turned out to be diabetic. Purry lived well with diabetes treatment for many years, even going into remission,until the bad pet food 2007 took him shortly before his 18th birthday.  Oscar also made it with diabetes for several years until a mass in his bladder did him in. The moral of the story is that both cats got used to the testing and med routines and neither died from diabetes but from other things. There are members here at Itchmo with cats with kidney disease who are being treated long term and living well with that condition too.

I am sending a prayer for Tiger that she is in good health and if there is any physical problem, that it is treatable.

 I would emphasize that dry food is not ideal in any case, although kibble-loving cats would disagree, they get SO set in their ways....(they think it's ideal!)
Hang in there!

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 03:48:02 PM »

Oh, how horrible for you,  Soo.  I hope you find what it is and it is treatable.  I know it's hard with a cat who likes dry and doesn't recognize other stuff as food. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 03:52:38 PM »

Maybe if you called the clinic back and spoke to a vet tech, or the vet himself, and describe Tiger's symptoms they can reassure you that it's okay to wait until next week, or indicate that you might try a different office to get her in sooner. 

I'll keep you both in my thoughts.   

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 04:20:25 PM »

I don't think this is an emergency, you can probably safely wait. But calling & speaking to a vet or vet tech couldn't hurt ! They will probably need to do a full blood panel as well as urinalysis & a urine culture. Those will give you kidney & liver values as well as glucose readings & ruling out a UTI from the stress of losing Wasabi. Ask for urinary ph also or test for it yourself at home.  Some simple additions or subtractions of grain & veggies can make big changes in ph. Kibble addicts are tough, but you can try giving pieces of raw or cooked meat also to try to add moisture. Water fountains or having bowls/glasses of water all over can help too. 14 isn't young & Tiger may start having age related health problems, but you should be able to treat most of them & have many more years together.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 04:28:47 PM »

I made a phone call to the same vet office that was treating Wasabi during his last two weeks.  They are able to look at him tonight at 8pm.  I had scooped up her urine and poop sample.  Her poop is really dark, almost black.  Really hope whatever it is, it's nothing major.
She only like raw shrimp which I gave it to her occassionally.  She has water in almost every room, from glass to bowls.  Your highness only drink Aquafina bottle water and nothing else. Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 05:09:47 PM »

Two things here. 1. Orijen makes them drink TONS of water, which is why mine only get it as a treat. 2. Tiger is overweight, which, would make me think that she may be diabetic, rather than in renal failure, but CRF is a possibility with those symptoms. Good that you made an appointment with the vet. They'll be able to tell with a simple blood test which, if any, is affecting her. Keeping my fingers crossed that it's neither, but if it is, both are easily managed.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 05:40:48 PM »

I just saw this, and I am sending all kinds of good vibes to Tiger and to you, Soo. 

Yes, the Orijen could account for the water drinking.  Back when I was using it in 2007, it made my cats drink tons of water (which then makes them pee more.)  It also made stools a little darker.  (I have one who will eat pretty much only dry food, too.)

I hope what you have noticed will be just an effect of the food, and not an illness.  But it is very good to get the blood test, and make sure.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 05:59:30 PM »

Hi, Soo, I've also read that Orijen makes for a lot of water drinking and also slightly darker poops.

I hope Tiger is all right - she seems to be feeling good?

That's great that the newer vet is able to see Tiger so soon.  It seems to me that you would want to make them your first-choice vet? 

I know you must be so worried.  I'm sending lots of warmth and hope to read some good news soon.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 07:56:50 PM »

We are back.  Blood test came back pretty good except her creatine level is high normal, that translate to her protein level, if not careful, might lead to kidney disease. Her back molar are in bad shape, which might explain the water consumption and  urination problem.  She is schedule to have dental surgery.  I bruhsed her teeth regularly, guess I miss her back molar.  Bad meowmie  Embarrassed  My bank account is bleeding too.  Sad  Just finish paying off Wasabi's bills and have to start all over again.

She is schedule to go back next month if the problem persist.  Besides her teeth problem, poor girl has upper respiratory infection and a cyst on her back (closer to her tail).  The vet will see if the cyst need to be removed when they removed her teeth.  She also has arthiritis and high cholestrol (which means no more shrimp for her  Undecided).  The vet suggest that I should stop feeding her Orijen and feed her Medical Mobility Support instead, it's good for both kidney and arthiritis.  If your highness does not like it, I might switch it to Medical Mature.  She is such a fussy eater, keeping my fingers crossed that she will take a liking to the new food.

The vet is very nice and understanding, explain everything to me.  Same vet office but differenet doctor this time.  Everybody there knows about Wasabi and was very kind to me.  Not going to lie, it was really tough going there,( that's why I call her regular vet at first)all those emotions keep rushing back Cry.  But after this meeting, I am going to switch her to this vet office.

Well, let's just hope all these problems are due to her teeth and Orijen problem.  Guess we will find out next month.  Keeping my fingers and toes crossed!!
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 09:07:38 PM »

That's so good that you got Tiger looked at so quickly and got a really clear explanation of what is going on and what needs to be done from now.  I'm sure Tiger will be feeling much better in no time!  I've heard good things about cats who have had to have their teeth pulled - they tend to not have as much a problem as you might think, and seem to feel a lot better without them (when the teeth are bad).

And Soo, I totally understand about your reluctance to go back to the new vet's office Cry  .  I also had a very difficult time seeing my vet and the surroundings after I lost my Mooch.  It was particularly awful to have to wait in the lobby and hear the same music playing.  But like your new vet's office, the staff and my doctor are so wonderful and caring, and I feel trust going there, even though it's difficult.

Big kisses to Tiger and I'll be checking to see how things are going for you guys.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 06:43:06 AM »

It is very hard to go back so soon after losing 1 , but it sounds like this office is much better. I'm glad you got some answers & treatments ! Hopefully she will go for the new food easily.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 07:02:24 AM »

Hi Soo, glad you got Tiger a good once over. The high creatinine is likely due to the Orijen as well. It is diet-related and can be high after a high-protein meal. High protein foods will not lead to kidney disease. A dry food only diet without enough water can lead to kidney disease because of dehydration and the toll that takes on the kidneys. Even if a cat has kidney disease, a high protein diet won't necessarily affect that. It's the amount of phosphorus in the diet that can further hurt the kidneys. It is possible to feed a high protein diet and bind and remove phosphorus with special products. Cholesterol does not affect cats the same way it does humans. I would not worry about that at all. She isn't going to get heart or peripheral artery disease from that and if shrimp helps her eat her regular food, you can keep giving it. I'm sure you were just giving as a treat and that will not account for an increase in cholesterol. That is a function of what is circulating at the time and could have easily be affected by her last meal. The food the vet is suggesting may or may not go over well with her. You'll have to start mixing it in very slowly with Orijen and keep adding more and more over a long period of time.

Before you decide to go with MediCal food, check the ingredients to see if there's any actual meat protein in it because most of those foods are made from carbs and protein concentrates and she will likely gain more weight on those. She will not feel as full as when she's on Orijen and will be constantly asking for more. If I were you, I would really try to find a wet food she likes. Even get her Fancy Feast Seafood flavor with shrimp. She might like that seeing how she likes shrimp. You can even put a little shrimp on top to get her going. Good to hear she's getting a dental and will have her cyst looked at then.

I'm not telling you to go against what the vet has suggested you do. I am not a vet and this is just my opinion from the years of experience I have had with cats and what my own vet has told me about bloodwork results.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 09:53:43 AM »

Bug, do you think I can mix half Orijen and half Medical for her?  That way, she will be okay with the arthiritis and maintain high protein food as well. 

Also, how can I lower her cholestrol level?

The vet basically explain, her dental problem may be the biggest contribution to her problems.  He suggested that I might need to find some well balance diet.  If a food is high in protein, something is going to compensate for the high protein.  I am not too sure what else he was saying, I was just relieved that her blood work was good.  I can literally hear my heart beat when he came in to discuss her blood work.

I will go to Pet food store and pick out every since canned and will do trial by error and see what your highness will eat.  This is going to be so much fun Angry Angry
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