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« on: September 18, 2009, 03:00:47 AM »

So, I was really not looking to forward to posting in this section, but alas, here I am.

First it was just Castiel, but now it seems Lilith as well has developed diarrhea. It's almost completely liquidy, no mucus or blood, not horribly stinky, but not pleasant either.

I have a couple of thoughts on it. 1st, they had their final vaccinations a week ago. Maybe it's related to that. 2nd, I think it might be the dry food. When I first got them home, I got them on wet food right away, and after the 1st day, they both had normal stool. They didn't touch dry food for a couple of days, until they saw Kallisto eating it. Now I notice they eat quite a bit of it, and ever since, Castiel has started with the soft poo. But now the last day or so, so has Lilith.

They were dewormed at the vet, so I don't think it's parasites, unless they picked up something in a week.

Sigh, or maybe it's just kitten growing pains?

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 04:17:25 AM »

Wicked,

Diarrhea in kittens can be dangerous.

In addition to worms, kittens can have various "bugs" (coccidia, camplobacter, giardia).  These are different from worms, and can be debilitating for the little ones.

Please call your vet right away and get them on meds for the diarrhea.  Your vet may want to see the kittens in order to do a direct fecal examination.    
 
Don't try to doctor them with off the shelf meds - see your vet!  For each kitten, try to retreive a stool sample from the litter box.  Just wrap it in foil, and place it in a plastic zip bag in the freezer.

(Also, don't use off the shelf flea products on them - NEVER use products like Hartz.  If you have a flea problem, see your vet.  Many flea products are too strong for kittens and can kill them
http://www.judyshealthcafe.com/articles/hartzmountain.htm)

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 04:57:05 AM »

Absolutely good advice! I had two rescued kittens who struggled with diarrhea for weeks because of giardia/food issues. These kittens were very young and were literally starving to death (full of fleas, worms) and it took them time for them to be able to eat more than a little bit of food at a time. Jonas would have bloody diarrhea if he overate for several months.

So, please check with your vet, but don't be surprised if the kibble has something to do with the diarrhea. But diarrhea can be very, very serious in kittens.

Good luck and let us know how things go.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 05:31:31 AM »

I called the vet, and they are going this afternoon.

They aren't acting sick in any way. Makes me wonder what the heck it is. Since they both have it, maybe a parasite?

Guess we will find out.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 07:15:00 AM »

Poor babies.  Glad you're bringing them in though, as others have posted.  Are they teething by any chance?  That can set off diarrhea, too.  Or food changes. 

If it turns out they have a parasite, you may have to treat your adult cat if the three of them share litter boxes/grooming/feeding and water bowls.

What deworming stuff did vet use?  What did the shelter use?  I have personally found the flea/worm medications that local shelters have been using that are applied to back of neck of kittens/cats as one-dose cure-all is ineffective on roundworms.  Having adopted 5 kittens and 1 cat last year, I found this to be a problem.  Just my personal experience.

Three of my kittens that had Giardia do best if I keep them on the same grain-free wet food.  They don't tolerate changes to kibble or other brands unfortunately.  They will end up with diarrhea again even after a year.

Hope it turns out to be a minor tummy upset.   Kiss  Kiss
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 07:20:44 AM »

Hope its just the kibble,but its smart to have it checked. Kittens can have all the things listed above & it doesn't take much to dehydrate them. Also you never know what they were treated with before you got them. If anything does show up ask the vet about treating Kallisto too.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 07:38:42 AM »

I believe they are teething, as they chew on everything in sight.

They were wormed with Droncit about a week ago. I don't know what the rescue used. I brought Revolution with me there to put on them, and she told me right before that she gave them a pill to kill fleas  Angry Had she told me she was going to do that, I would have said no, but she did it without me knowing it.

They eat like there is no tomorrow. Always hungry little things. I honestly just thought it was the dry food with Castiel, but now that Lilith has it too, it makes me wonder. I mean, it could be that too, but...

Right now they are on grain free, dry and wet. I use Wellness canned, either Turkey or Chicken, and TOTW Salmon and Venison (which I suspect is the culprit). Their stools were perfect when all they ate was the Wellness, which is why I suspect the dry.

I feel so lost. It could be so many things.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 07:49:13 AM »

Don't forget the TOTW dog just had problems. It was the fish formula too. Also its made by Diamond & according to the responses on Susan Thixton's site www.truthaboutpetfood.com ,all Diamond fish is treated with ethoxaquin.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 07:55:27 AM »

My Giardia cats did develop diarrhea with TOTW samples from the feed store, but I have no way of knowing if that touched it off since any kibble or food change seems to start diarrhea with them.  They also get diarrhea with Wellness CORE, Complete Health, Science Diet, Eukanuba, California Natural.  The only kibble so far they haven't gotten the runs with is Castor & Pollux Organix, but I ran out of that small bag after a few days of feeding it to everyone but the seniors.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 08:08:26 AM »

yeah. I've been looking for another food, as I just found out about the ethoxaquin. I really do believe it's that food but I need to be sure it's not something else too.

Don't forget the TOTW dog just had problems. It was the fish formula too. Also its made by Diamond & according to the responses on Susan Thixton's site www.truthaboutpetfood.com ,all Diamond fish is treated with ethoxaquin.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 08:14:13 AM »

Diagnosing giardia might be difficult, since tests are not always conclusive. Maybe just remove the dry and see what happens? If that is the cause, within a day or two, their No #2s should be normal (though return to normal can be quite long for some kibbles, but at most a week). 
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 08:48:29 AM »

Wicked,

Too many different brands and food choices can cause problems for kittens.

They may do better on a single chicken wet food (Nature's Variety grain free chicken), and a single kitten kibble.

You can expand the menu selections after they're a bit older and stronger.

Glad you're able to see the vet today.  Please let us know how it goes.

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 08:51:23 AM »

Get them off the TOTW. I had to stop using for my cats. Go back to exactly what you were doing before the diarrhea, foodwise. Also, there have been recalls on various wormers:

PRODUCT
Praziquantel Injection, 56.8 mg/ml, ANDA 200-176, RX, packaged in 10-ml. vials under the following labels: (1) VEDCO Cestoved; (2) Butler Praziject; and (3) Phoenix Pharmaceutical Inc. CestaJect, Recall # V-270-2009
CODE
Lot 7060853, Exp. 6/2009
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
TEVA Animal Health Inc., St. Joseph, MO, by letter dated May 15, 2009. Firm initiated recall is ongoing.
REASON
The product does not meet the appearance specification and was not manufactured in conformance with GMP’s.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
5,475/10-ml. vials
DISTRIBUTION
Nationwide

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6) Praziquantel Tablets, 34 mg, RX, packaged under the following labels: (1) Trade Winds Tape Worm Tabs, packaged in 5-tab. bottles; (2) Farnam D-Worm Praziquantel Tablets, packaged in 5- and 10-tab. bottles; (3) Phoenix Pharmaceutical Inc. CestaTabs, packaged in 50- and 150-tab. bottles; (4) VEDCO Cestoved Tablets, packaged in 50- and 150-tab. bottles; (5) Butler Prazitabs D, packaged in 50- and 150-tab. bottles; and (6) AmTech Group Inc. Praziquantel Tablets, packaged in 50- and 150-tab. bottles, Recall # V-265-2009;

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For the future, you might want to look into Profender (www.animalhealth.bayer.ca/profender/) to see if it is something that would be more appropriate for you cats' situation.

I do hope it was the diet change. I know a co-worker's kittens were having the same trouble with dry food. I went out and bought her a variety of other "better" fish-free foods for her kittens to try and a grain-free dry kitten food (Now! Kitten) and the diarrhea stopped soon after she started giving them a lot more wet and a little dry. They gravitated to one particular brand and have been on it successfully for the last month.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 10:56:37 AM »

Well, it seems Castiel is "teeming" with bacteria. No parasites. And he is gaining weight normally, so it's a course of flagyl for him.
Lilith, no bacteria, no parasites. I am questioning now if any of the diarreah was hers, as the vet felt her intestines, and she might be a bit constipated. So we have to watch her. She has lost a bit of weight though so, not sure why.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 11:05:29 AM »

Hope they are doing better now. TOTW my dog didn't care for and the smell was so strong that it about knocked me over when I opened the bag.

Bug thanks for the info on the wormer recalls.

You might want to post those recalls on another topic so more people will be informed about it in case they are needing to use a de-wormer
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