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Author Topic: Sweetie Pie has lost a pound, she's hyper T  (Read 5607 times)
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« on: September 26, 2014, 06:46:31 AM »

Sweetie pie has not been looking well that last couple weeks, and is getting very clingy, and wants to sleep by my head and even climb up and get on my lap, so I took her to the vet yesterday for blood work. She suspected kidneys, but today when I took Blackie for her fluids, the tech showed me the report.  My vet was out for family illness, so I don't know what the new dose will be, but her other organs are FINE, thank the Lord!! 
Her T4 is up to 6 something, so I'll have to increase her methimazole dose probably when the vet gets back next Monday. At the moment, she is on 1/2 pill mornings and 1/4 evenings. 
 But at least her other organs are fine, that is a big relief!!!    the tech said that her higher T 4  might have made her lose weight.  She is my MATRIARCH!  almost everybody's mother.  She is very precious to me.  So far she has outlived 2 of her sons, and so I was extremely worried.
She is about 14 years old.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2014, 06:59:04 AM »

Hoping she will begin to feel better next week, when they get her dose adjusted, BW.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2014, 07:10:29 AM »

I'm glad the blood work came back relatively ok. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2014, 07:54:52 AM »

Having very much been there with a cat whose hyperT was quite unstable, I can relate. I have confidence that an increase in Sweetie Pie's methimazole dose will help her gain weight. Great news that her other labs are good!  Yay Sweetie Pie!
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2014, 08:11:11 AM »

Such a relief the bloodwork on the other organs came back fine.  I hope she feels better soon on the new dose, BW.
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2014, 01:52:48 PM »

I'm glad that Sweetie Pie's bloodwork looks good, BW. Hopefully the new dose will help her feel better.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2014, 06:12:07 PM »

Sparty, Merrihart, Catbird, Catwoods and Gkit,  Thank you so much for sharing my joy that Sweetie's blood work was good except for the hyper T.   I was really relieved. And I certainly do hope that a bigger dose will get her to gain weight back.
 Now if only I could get her to eat more.  But then no one wants to eat anything I give them. 
Even Blackie won't eat her Wellness canned any more.  And I heat it up just like they did during her hospital stay, but no good, so I won't pay for that any more.  I just bought some Hills AD at the vets for Sweetie, but no luck there either.

I am on the verge of just feeding them dry food, perhaps a variety of different kinds.  I have always felt it was wrong, since cats are obligate carnivores, but I can't keep throwing 60% or MORE of their canned food away.  It's just too expensive.
So now they are getting their Life's Abundance,   Royal Canin indoor 40, which my vet says she gives her fat cats, and Purina indoor in the green bag.  I also am giving them some of the Hills regular (original) kibble too, so that is 4 kinds of dry food.  And I don't throw as much of that away, soo more cost effective.

One of the women in the office of my vet, says she just lost her 19 year old cat the other day, PTS,  and I asked her what she fed her to get her to last 19 years and she said Hills dry kibble, and THAT'S ALL.  so how bad can it be, mine are all dying much younger than that.   Sooo, I"m just thinking about doing all dry.  It will be hard for me to do that tho, I think they should eat meat, BUT they aren't eating it anyway, and its going in the garbage, except when I luck out and get an exceptional batch that they approve of, (of the same flavors they were just rejecting in a different case)  I always thought it meant a bad batch of food when they wouldn't touch it or tried to cover it up, but I could be wrong.  My vet feeds Fancy Feast and Friskies and her cats eat, and when they don't, she switches flavors for a while, and then goes back to what they rejected and they eat it, so who knows!

Anyway, thank you all, and bless you for your support.  If anyone knows of something they will delight in, I'd love to hear about it.

Hamish McDooble is visiting with us in the living room again. Since he seems to be losing his sight, he gets to come into the living room, that counts as being sick.  He loves the quiet and privacy, and is sleeping in tiggertys box I put the brown packing paper in, the crinkly paper.  it is a long skinny box, and if he stretches out long, he fits despite being a chubber. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2014, 05:29:27 AM »

Hoping you can find a wet food they will like ! I agree Sweetie Pie should respond quickly to a dosage change . Have you tried any stew type foods ? Holistic . Weruva ,Merrick's , BFF  are a few . Not gluten shaped to look like meat though .
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2014, 07:19:46 AM »

Leslie,
Despite Sweetie's good blood reports, she does not look happy and healthy to me.  She looks depressed and UNhappy.  I think of McTiggerty, and if we had not happened to be there the day the ultrasound lady was actually in the back room, we would never have known that he had the stomach cancer, and that it was the cause of his illness.  Soooo, it makes me wonder.  She is NOT a happy cat. I pray that a change in her meds will fix that, but.....

No I have not tried those brands, and think I would prefer to just do kibble rather than try a couple.  for example.  Merricks has had the most horrendous criticisms and warnings from the FDA etc.etc. and dreadful inspection reports over recent years, that is makes it seem that their production practices are consistently unimaginably negligent, and their food, simply garbage of the worst kind.  I don't think I would ever in the world consider them.  I don't think a company like that could ever care enough to try and improve to the point where their food would be safe.  
the others, I have not kept up on, so don't know.   But thank you for recommending them.  Sorry for going on a rampage about Merricks, but after reading so much about them, I have strong feelings.

I also wonder about my water!!  It frequently smells like petroleum, (from time to time), I called the company, they came and tested it in my absence from an outdoor spicket, and said it was fine, (of course they did!!)

The other night, I took a drink and it burned my throat!!  So now I am buying Poland Spring for myself and the cats.  Really annoys me that I have to PAY FOR WATER when I am already paying for water!

I guess I am in a grumpy mood, and apologize.  It just upsets me to keep throwing food away.  If I showed you photos of a few of my cats, you would say, (JUST STOP FEEDING THEM!!)  I have 2 really fat cats and another that is in the process of "blowing up."  I must get the 2 fattest to the vet for an exam SOON!
More money!!  I practically LIVE at the vets.  
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2014, 02:19:02 PM »

Not a big fan of Merricks myself , but when they are sick & won't eat I will feed anything to get them eating . Have you tried just adding warm water to whatever wet food you have ? That or broth or gravy will frequently help . Don't do it for too long in case there is a problem with the food .
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2014, 02:02:40 PM »

Leslie,  I do that sometimes for Blackie and she likes it. 
I just spoke to the vet and she said that I should increase Sweetie's methimazole from the 1/2 and evenings 1/4   to 1/2 and 1/2  because she knows how nervous I am about the meth dosage, but I can do this for a week or two, but then she really wants me to increase it to 1 whole 5 mg pill mornings and 1/2 at night.  That's what I gave Tiggerty.  But it is a big jump for Sweetie.  He was MUCH larger than she is!!!  I'm not sure weight has anything to do with it.

She said that she doesnt' think the 1/2 and 1/2 (an increase of only 1/4 pill)  will really do anything to improve her hyper T number.  It should be 2 something, and it is 6 something.  I wrote it down and can't find it.   When I first tested her she was 8 something.   Sooo, I will do it that slow way for a week or so, and then slowly increase it.

When I think back, Scoutie was on Methimazole for a few years, but then developed several condiditions.  Whether the other conditions were caused by the methimazole I don't know, but he needed it in any case.  He had 3 conditions,  Hyper T,  then became diabetic, and then also kidney failure.   Or the last 2 were reversed,  I don't recall, just too many conditions for poor Scoutie to deal with. 

As far as Merricks is concerned, I am just afraid of them.  But I understand how you feel about getting SOMETHING into them when they won't eat.

Now I just bought some Hills, original,  Royal Canin indoor Light 40, and the Purina indoor, and of course my Life's Abundance, (and I think they may have changed the formula for that, the cats are not nearly as enthusiastic about it as they were!)
I'll get it still, but will also give them a choice of the others.

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2014, 09:21:53 PM »

Methimazole dose is not based at all on the cat's weight.  It is totally based on the T4 test results.  Small cats can need large doses when the T4 is very high, and large cats can require only a small dose when the T4 is lower.  However, regardless of the T4 result, each individual cat will respond differently to the dose of medication.  There  simply is no one size fits all even when 2 cats have the same T4.  Just generally, though 1/2 of a pill in the AM and 1/2 in the PM (2.5 mg each dose) is usually sufficient for cats with a T4 similar to Sweetie's.  It takes about 3 weeks for a specific dose of the methimazole to reach its maximum effectiveness.  One should never do an increase without giving a dose for 3 weeks, then retesting the T4.  If you gradually increase the dose, the T4 could go too low without you realizing it, and if the largest dose you give is not continued for at least 3 weeks, you will not get an accurate T4 test result when you retest.  No one has a crystal ball to know what dose will ultimately be best for Sweetie, and I can't make a decision for you to do something different than the vet has told you, but I just wanted you to know that it is always safer to proceed with caution when making increases of methimazole and allow time for each specific dose to reach its maximum effect before making another increase.  If her T4 was 8 when diagnosed and only decreased to 6 on the dose you were giving her, that is a bit unusual if she was getting every dose consistently every day.  That alone would make me cautious about increasing to any more than the 1/2 pill morning and night until she would be retested on that dose in 3 weeks. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 11:27:06 AM »

Many, Yes, I do think I will continue the 1/2 morning and night for a couple more weeks and then have her tested again.  Just to be on the safe side, however, to me, she does not feel well at all. She seems very sad in my opinion.  She just let me rub her tummy for quite a long time, and her eyes look so sad.  Despite her numbers being fine except for the t4, it just seems to me something else is wrong.  I don't know if hyper T can make a cat look this sad, and I don't know if sad is the right word, depressed, or just feeling lousy.  I hate seeing her like this, and I cannot help wondering if something is hurting her.  After all,  Tiggerty had the stomach tumor and without the ultrasound, which was just accidental, having him and the tech there on the same day, we would never have known it.  Except that he was not eating, and Sweetie IS eating.
She seems to drink a lot of water,  I will hear this little sound drone on and on, and then I will realize it is her lapping for a long time.  However, her glucose was fine, dr. said all her numbers were fine.  And her kidney numbers were PERFECT.
Maybe it is old age, I feel like she looks.  I have stopped using my tap water, and only use Poland Spring now, since I'm suspicious of my tap water. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 12:46:52 PM »

In my experience, hyperT cats tend to drink a lot of water, especially when the T4 is not being controlled well enough by the medication. And the T4 levels affect their moods, too, so it is certainly possible that the elevated level could be making her appear unwell and sad.

Fingers crossed that she will feel better on the new dosage after a bit.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2014, 10:03:28 AM »

Catbird, I certainly do hope that the t4 is what is causing Sweetie to seem so sad.
She is still going into her pen beddie and crying for "something, someone"  Seems like she is crying looking for her babies, but they are all big now.  I keep thinking she may be having something like an Alzheimers for cats.  I"m going to put a little stuffed animal into that beddie and see if she likes that.  When she cries I always tell her that her babies are all safe and fine, and then someimes she is quiet.  But she always was such a WONDERFUL dedicated mother, that this could be what is bothering her.

I am not giving her 1/2 pill morning and evening.  It is only an increase of 1/4 of a pill a day, so I may well have to increase it after 3 weeks when I get her tested again. 
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