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Sandi K
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« on: August 05, 2009, 10:32:50 PM »

Sophers has reverted back into her diahrrea mode and we dont know why.  Its once a day, maybe twice at the most and at times has some blood in it. I called the vet and she wants us try pumpkin and then if things dont improve, time for another stool sample, which in the past has never shown a thing.  I did give her some pumpkin in a little dish by itself and go figure, she loves it!  So she didnt go poo for two days and finally went tonight and it looks much better...whether it will stay that way is another question....but I was wondering how much pumpkin to give her and for how long, is pumpkin something she can have every day without any problems?  And if pumpkin is the thing that is helping (which we dont know for sure yet), why would pumpkin maybe be helping?   Undecided   Also, until I can convince the pumpkin companies to make pumpkin in a little 3 oz can, how long does organic pumpkin last and can you freeze it and pull it out to use as needed?
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 10:54:26 PM »

Canned pumpkin in its pureed form (NOT pumpkin pie filling) is a fantastic stool softener which makes it a good natural remedy for constipation. It often helps with upset stomach or indigestion for both cats and dogs. It is very rich in fibre and adding just one or two teaspoonfuls to your pet's food often gets the system moving in no time. 

Often with long haired kitties, or "Grinchlike kitties" like Sophers, the pumpkin will help remove the hair that's trapped in the intestines from all her primping and preening.  She is a beauty for sure.  The fur comes out in the feces, so don't be surprised if you see it, which is a good thing.

Opposite the constipation is diarrhea.  The dietary fiber in canned pumpkin absorbs excess water in diarrhea and just a couple of teaspoons can help often within a matter of hours.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 02:48:40 AM »

I used to give about 1tbsp to Angelus with breakfast and dinner.

You can also use baked sweet potato from what I've read. Same concept.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 04:49:50 AM »

I use about 1 teaspoon mixed in food, for diarrhea problems.

I use it regularly in my homemade renal food.

I have devoted an ice cube tray for freezing canned pumpkin.  (2 cubes being about 50 grams, for my recipe).  After it's frozen, I put 2 cubes in those snack-sized bags, and defrost them when I need them.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 05:35:05 AM »

Leave it to Itchmoers to have some great information!  That thought about hairballs kind of crossed my mind and we have had really dry, hot weather here most of the summer which isnt normal for us and poor Sophers is still wearing one major fur coat from the bad winter, its unbelievable how thick her fur is.  I did put some pumpkin down this morning and so far she says no, just like Sophers to be OK with it one minute and the next, forget it.  But she did eat some last night.  I had tried sweet potato on her before and she wouldnt touch that but I will see if I can find organic baby squash to have as a back-up.  I wil be buying an extra ice cube tray this week to try that also. So when you say 1 tsp, does that mean with each feeding or just once a day? Maybe I'll just try it once a day for now as I dont want to make things worse seeing how we might have had some progress.....
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 05:51:21 AM »

Peanut's been getting canned pumpkin mixed into her wet food to deal with her constipation for many years now so I would guess that Sophers could have it for as long as she needs it.  Ask your vet, but if this is a reoccuring problem you may want to just keep her on it.  I mix about 1 teaspoon in Pea's food at each meal, whcih for her is about 3 times daily.  The amount that works seems to vary for each cat but I think 1 tsp is a good place to start.

I too have thought about writing to the pumpkin companies and asking for 3 oz cans!  I just keep the pumpkin in a glass covered dish in the fridge.  I tried freezing it, but Pea did not like the texture or something with the defrosted pumpkin.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 06:01:23 AM »

I used to put it right into the recipe,but now add it to their bowls to mix with the other supplements & stir into the food. Remy gets 3/4 tsp[13 lbs constipation problems] the cats get 1/2 tsp[13-16 lbs],Trooper gets 1 & 1/2 Tbsp [75 lbs] & Frag 1 Tbsp [30 lbs also constipation trouble]. I give it twice a day,but you might want to start out with once & add more if needed. I use it fast enough to just keep in the fridge,but Marsha does freeze hers in portions. I did notice when I tried freezing it that it has a slightly different texture afterwards.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 06:01:48 AM »

Sandi K,

Geisha had blood stools and runny stools, it turned out to be hairball blockage in her intestines, I few treatments of petromalt, and she passed the hairball and she was as good as new.  This was before I knew about pumpkin, never heard of that and cats till Topaz hurt her back.  
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 08:48:35 AM »

SandiK, have they tested Sophers for IBD yet?  Not that it would do any good since she will only eat what she wants to eat, but at least you'd have one more thing checked off the list.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 09:10:16 AM »

They havent tested her for IBD partly because they dont do endoscopy here so it would be full-blown surgery to check for that and they dont want to put her the stress of surgery with her corona virus titer being so high.  I think it still may have partly to do with her being so sick from untreated coccidia when we first got her, she had so much diahrrea for so long that I think it messed with her intestines and then maybe with the hair trying to come down the pike, its causing irritation again....just a theory but who knows, she has been a problem child from day one.   

I have tried the petromalt and other variations of it in the past but she wouldnt tolerate it and I quit trying to get it down her as she got so mean.  If I want to live thru the night, we dont give try it anymore, LOL   Grin

These are all great ideas, you guys, thank you so much!  Im keeping my fingers crossed that she will keep eating the pumpking and things will calm down for her.  If not, next step is another stoop sample to the vet.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 08:04:16 PM »

Sandi,
     A problem with hair in Sophers' intestines is something to be considered.  With her long, thick hair, she just must ingest some when she grooms herself.  This is, of course, normal for cats, and it usually passes through without a problem.  But, sometimes a large mass of it can accumulate in the stomach and then get stuck in the intestines if the cat doesn't cough up the hairball.  Does Sophers bring up hairballs at times?  Have you ever noticed hair in her stools?  Last week, Mandy had this exact problem.  She had a decrease in her appetite and some loose stools with some mucus and a little blood.  Took her to the vet and he felt a lump in her intestine.  An x-ray revealed a hairball there that wasn't moving.  Liquid stool was going around it, thus the diarrhea.  Petromalt 1" twice a day and some metoclopramide got things moving, then after a couple days, some Neopectalin to slow things down to allow a normal stool to form, solved her problem.  She is fine now.  But, I will be more vigilant brushing and combing her.  I usually give her some Petromalt once or twice a week anyway, but will be sure I don't miss doing this.  To give it to her, I put some on my finger and quickly get her mouth open while lightly holding her head and wipe it off my finger inside her upper teeth.  Mandy hates to have her mouth touched, but this does seem to work.  Since Sophers is good about you cleaning her teeth, maybe this could work for you.  It takes just 2 seconds and they have no choice but to swallow it.  If the pumpkin seems to work to keep her moving and firm up the stools, then just go with that.  This is just a suggestion if you need it.  Her diarrhea may very well have nothing to do with hairballs, but, with her long hair, it won't hurt to make sure that it doesn't cause her a problem.  Hope she is back to normal soon!   Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 09:21:35 PM »

I was thinking more of them sending blood to TAMU to check all those indicators for IBD rather than the surgery.  But maybe the pumpkin will help and you can avoid any more trips to the vet for awhile.  Firm up little grinchey Sophers!
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2009, 09:38:33 PM »

Oh Petslave, I didnt know they had such a test...is that something new?  The vet doesnt feel its IBD but who knows.  Sophers isnt vomiting and we just got thru 3 months of perfect stools and a really boisterous, happy, kitty and then all of a sudden the diarrhea started.  It doesnt have mucus in it like with our KiKi who had IBD for many years....Sophers hasnt eaten worth a darn today and is pretty lethargic.  I came home from getting groceries and she didnt even raise her head up when I came in which isnt like her.  She is really off tonight.  But I will watch her and if she doesnt shape up in the next couple of days, its probably time for a vet visit. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2009, 09:51:27 PM »

Sandi- Did Sophers problems this time start with the smoke ? I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 09:53:38 PM »

Sorry to hear she's so low right now.  I hope it's just temporary and she'll be back to her normal self tomorrow.

I'll try to find the tests on the TAMU website, fPLI & B12 I think.  I think IDEXX does them now too.  Ran across this when looking, this kitty had coccidia too, among other parasites, and is now being treated for IBD:

http://www.ibdkitties.net/livingwithibd.html
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