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Author Topic: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl  (Read 28559 times)
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mainecoonpeg
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« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2007, 11:33:08 AM »

3 cats..........sending good strong vibes and major prayers for you and IQ.  Big purrs coming IQ's way too.  Purina DM is for the diabetes, virtually no carbs.  The OM is Obesity Management and more carb filled. 

Is the Insulin you are using PZI?  That one is supposed to really work well, but it does take some time.

Thinking of you
Peg
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #76 on: September 29, 2007, 12:03:07 PM »

Thanks, Jenny, for the site and reminder about book Your Cat. I do have it, along with Pet
Food Nation, and Home Prepared Dog and Cat Diets. Signed up for site and got directed to
great YouTube video on drawing blood for glucometer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zE12-4fVn8

Also found great series of YouTube videos on Caring for Your Diabetic Cat, Parts 1 through 6, which
include insulin injections, hypoglycemia signs and symptoms, and diabetic monitoring. The producer
is SuperGrego, and I believe fairly good. The videos are worth a thousand words.

So I'm reading like crazy. Dr. Hodgkins at least mentions FF.

And I'm certainly going to ask my vet if giving injections in thighs might not be producing best absorption,
and in view of chronic renal failure, whether there's anything we can do about that.

Thanks, Peg, for good thoughts, as well. Yes, it is PZI, 40 U.S.P. units, and syringes are for 40 U.S.P.
IQ's a fighter, and I'm a slow learner but definitely trying --
3cats
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« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2007, 01:29:49 PM »

The insulin adjustments do seem to move things in slow motion. My cat finally stabilized on about 3 units PZI twice a day. I don't know how high she started out but they said her glucose was "off the charts" in the beginning. Lots of prayers, purrs and good thoughts going your way.
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« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2007, 08:01:22 PM »

Yeah, I don't have a diabetic cat, but do notice that quite a few people on Dr Hodgkins site mention FF food - gluten free varieties of course.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #79 on: September 30, 2007, 08:42:13 AM »

Anyone who has treated a diabetic cat, do you think it's better to have a glucometer
at home and use it than have to guess at hypoglycemia? Even if glucose numbers
are so high they can't be measured, it's a little frightening to have to behavior
guess that the cat is or isn't hypoglycemic.
3cats
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Nabiya
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« Reply #80 on: September 30, 2007, 12:20:20 PM »

I treated a diabetic cat for almost 3 years without any problems.  At first I let the vet decide on the proper dosage and to get her stable.  This took about 6 months and included visits at the vets for 24 hours at a time while they did glucose curves on her and also changing the type of insulin at least twice.  It was also ample time for me to become fully educated on diabetes symptoms (both hyper and hypo), glucose, insulin injections, eating properly, etc.  I then started the glucose meter readings using a OneTouch meter, first in conjunction and training with my vet using the same meter and then finally on my own. 

I would recommend using the glucose meter but ONLY after the cat is stable on insulin, you understand the relationship of foods and eating in conjunction with glucose levels fluctuating and you're fully trained by a vet to properly take the meter readings.  I kept a daily chart of her meter readings in relationship to what she ate right down to the minute before changing any amount of insulin based on a meter reading.

I found that taking the blood drop from her gums was the least invasive way and most accurate way for her, but every cat is different.  If you do the gums, you have to clean them before using the glucose meter on them.  On my cat it was easy for one person to do the glucose meter readings.

OneTouch did have a product recall about a year and a half ago.  It turned out the glucose test strips were made in China and were not real test strips.  The test strips are fairly expensive (about $100 for a jar of 50) and there's a huge black market for them). I don't think I would go back to their meters if I had another diabetic cat, although I haven't researched any other test strips to find any NOT made in China.

Hope this helps in your decision.

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« Reply #81 on: September 30, 2007, 01:42:19 PM »

It's a hard call to make regarding how much the testing helps in hypoglycemia. We did read one article by a vet who counseled "treating the animal, not the numbers" and said behavior is often the best indicator.
But he was also saying that tests done on the ears are not always accurate. Other areas of the body may give more accurate readings. I think that even if I saw a normal glucose reading from a meter, and the cat was still anxious, grouchy, voraciously hungry, or otherwise altered from her normal behavior, I might treat it as a possible hypoglycemic event. Those were the symptoms I saw during my one experience of it, during which the test result was indeed low. Hopefully the vet and the websites describe other symptoms (?)
I found the old meter we used, before the days of One Touch. It was an Ascensia Elite XL, made in Japan. The test strips were also made in Japan but packaged in the USA. It worked well while we used it but the last time we tried to use it, it appeared to be no longer working.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #82 on: September 30, 2007, 02:19:46 PM »

Thank you, Nabiya and catwoods.

Nabiya, do you know if the fake OneTouch test strips were being purchased online? Or from pharmacies? Or vets? by any chance,
if you remember. Also, what insulins did you have to change from and to, if you don't mind sharing?

IQ's been diagnosed with diabetes now for two weeks on Tuesday. Saturday morning she was lethargic, sleepy, but responsive.
The thing that sent me to the vet's for an emergency check was that she did not want to come out for food in the morning (very
unusual for her. She hasn't missed a meal in the last nine months). After visiting the vet's, ate like a trucker (sure woke her up). That's what makes the behavior thing so iffy. I would have loaded her up with Karo and NutriCal based on behavior, but thought it was too early for me to be doing that and knowing I could get to the vet hospital so fast, I didn't. Since glucose was so high, I'm glad I didn't.

But I'm going to take both of your advice that I have to let the vet do his stabilization. I think because of the kidney disease, he does not want to stress her by keeping her in-house for 24 hours to do the curves, or perhaps he's just waiting until we're closer to correct insulin dosages. But I will sure clarify that with him on Monday. From the time frames you are talking, I'm expecting too much too soon. First noticed something changing with IQ about a month ago and did not get diabetic blood work until two weeks ago.

Pretty much the hypo symptoms are described as lethargy, not wanting to move, or any odd or unusual behavior. That covers a lot
of ground (like refusing to come out to eat). Then if you see head tilt, wobbling, or odd gait, you need to call vet immediately, as
that's more severe hypoglycemia. More severe is indicating by walking like drunk is one thing I have been told.

catwoods, I will explore Ascensia, too, and see if still made in Japan. My vet uses AccuCheck. Anyone know anything about that brand?
IQ, orange tiger girl, n 3cats
Sending good thoughts to all

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« Reply #83 on: September 30, 2007, 02:49:45 PM »

Since you live so close I agree it's probably better to take her to the vet if you suspect low glucose. That's a little different from what I said above - we don't live so close. Reading the behavior can be difficult. We used two different types of insulin. At first we used Humulin and after further input from sugarcats, changed to PZI - and had to start the process of slow increases all over again. Each Humulin shot spiked sooner and it was generally thought the PZI was better because it had a longer lasting effect. I'd be interested to know also what other types people have used. We have some older kitties now and who knows, they might develop diabetes one day.
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« Reply #84 on: October 01, 2007, 01:18:21 PM »

Vet recommended SD WD. IQ's hair just stopped falling out in handfuls after eight
months of KD. 
WD  with chicken includes
Water, Pork Liver, Pork By-Products, Chicken, Powdered Cellulose, Corn Starch, Oat Fiber, Guar Gum, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Sulfate, Locust Bean Gum, Choline Chloride, Chicken Liver Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, DL-Methionine, L-Carnitine, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid (source of vitamin C), Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Niacin, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite.

Regular WD:
Pork By-Products, Pork Liver, Water, Corn Flour, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Iron Oxide, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Iodized Salt, L-Carnitine, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid (source of vitamin C), Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Niacin, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite

If you have any thoughts on this food, please PM or email me.


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« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2007, 12:57:44 PM »

Those of you who have treated diabetic cats, please simply list for me the foods
that you were successful in using, whether it's prescription diets, commercial
canned cat foods, or home-prepared. Please give as much info as you feel is
appropriate.
Right now IQ is pretty stabile, but I'm going to have to make a final food decision.
So what you think is important to this really incredible cat. Just need a quick survey
of what worked for different cats to make a decision on. After seeing results of FF for
about a week and a half, I have noticed some things it does. So help if you can with
foods you used, including FF and prescription diets, and thank you.
3cats
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« Reply #86 on: October 02, 2007, 04:50:44 PM »

After polite discussion with vet about the meaning of by-products, mycotoxins in grains, and
possibly not really safe GRAS ingredients, we settled on a compromise home-prepared formula
we both can live with the ingredients of.
At least it's obvious to me vets are starting to listen.
Wish IQ luck and good results --
3cats
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« Reply #87 on: October 02, 2007, 05:30:43 PM »

3Cats,

I hope IQ enjoys her new diet. 
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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #88 on: October 02, 2007, 08:52:59 PM »

IQ loves food. You have to picture female orange Garfield.
Weight is steady at 11 lbs 15 ounces tonight on FF. So
hopefully with some grain removed, she can drop just a little.
And hopefully with diabetes and crf, she'll be able to go with the program.
Thanks for encouragement.
IQ n 3cats
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« Reply #89 on: October 03, 2007, 03:43:23 AM »

3Cats,

I took your previous post to mean you would be homecooking? 

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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
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