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Author Topic: Prayers needed for IQ, orange tiger girl  (Read 27067 times)
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5CatMom
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2007, 11:34:33 AM »

3cat,

Furry hugs and sandpaper kisses to you and IQ.  Hope you get her better real soon.

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2007, 12:26:29 PM »

3cat,

Hugs and prayers are going to both IQ and you.

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2007, 01:31:00 PM »

Encouragement is priceless. Thanks to everyone. And you're right, OF, to put
the focus back on addressing the care and treatment; double thanks!
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2007, 04:12:07 PM »

3cat -
     Sorry to hear about IQ.  Will keep you both in my prayers.  As far the insulin shots, I suggest that you get a demo from the vet or tech so you can better see what to do.  However, I will try to describe it for you here.  An insulin shot is given in the subcutaneous tissue and not into the muscle.  So, on the leg where there is loose skin, grab the loose skin and pull it up in a little bunch.  Insert the needle at about a 30 to 45 degree angle so that it is going just into the skin and fat under the skin and not into the leg muscle.  Draw back on the plunger of the syringe just a tiny bit and if you see no blood, inject the insulin.   This is not a hard procedure to learn, but you really should see it demonstrated for you and explained in detail.  You can also use an orange to practice handling the needle and get the feel of inserting it and injecting.  Have some help in the beginning.  Cats can sometimes become moving targets, but with practice you will eventually be able to do it by yourself.  Alternate legs and rotate slightly different spots on each leg so that you are not always giving it in the same spot.  Ask to be shown all the possible sites that could be used.  If you do a search on the web, there are probably sites that give pictures to show what to do.  Hope this helps some, but definitely get more help than this before you try it.  Good luck!
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2007, 05:53:54 PM »

Hey, Mandycat. Thanks for description. Been doing crf subcutaneous fluids
at home for about five months now. However, vet who handed me insulin and
needles didn't say anything about looking for blood in insulin syringe; just handed
me the PZI insulin and needles and told me to go for it. Not to give insulin in same area
where renal failure subq's are going, as insulin won't work. Will see new vet on
Wednesday and ask. Been doing subq's in neck and insulin in thigh areas and so far
okay. I'm sure I'm going under skin, like sub-qs, not into muscle. So am I doing too
much damage between now and Wednesday???
3cats
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2007, 07:27:54 PM »

3cat -
     You are probably going to be fine between now and Wednesday.  In all the years I gave my cat insulin shots (this was quite a few years ago), I very rarely hit a vein, but drawing back a bit is just a safety thing to be sure that you don't inject directly into a vein.  Just get a good explanation from your new vet and have a list of questions and I'm sure you will be fine.  The insulin needle is so much smaller than the needle used for fluids that you will have no trouble at all mastering the technique.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2007, 06:27:48 AM »

Deep breath and exhale that I'm probably not harming her.

I guess it's a good thing I changed vets. My old vet refused to step
outside the traditional box of crf treatment and got quite angry with
me for changing from KD to lower carb, grain-free, no wheat food on Tuesday with
no transition. This food does have slightly higher protein and phosphorous. Can't thank
Itchmo readers enough for all their tremendous work on what's in cat food. Based on all
those forum threads, that's how I decided what food to go to. It's a trade off guess at
the food between kidney disease and diabetes at this point.

So I think that's why I got little explanation. I just had
to do it because I had been complaining my cat was slipping for over a month, and
it was clear to me that she progressively was hating the food, as well.

I'm happy to report there has been zero vomiting or diarrhea, and both my
cats now eager to eat. IQ's fur has stopped falling out in handfuls. I don't know
if that's food change or insulin. And she's much more active.

I really like my vet so this is kind of hard, but I will be 3 minutes from emergency
services, as opposed to almost an hour.

Keep good thoughts and hugs --
3cats

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2007, 06:46:06 AM »

That's great news, 3cats.  I am go glad they are eating.  {{{hugs}}}
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Eventually they will understand,
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For I will whisper into their hearts
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2007, 07:46:41 AM »

Sure feels like Russian roulette right now with one of the most precious
beings ever created. But her blood sugar went from low 190s, 200s, in
the vet's office to 716 with glucose in the urine.
Fingers crossed --
3cats
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2007, 08:04:00 AM »


My old vet refused to step outside the traditional box of crf treatment and got quite angry with me for changing from KD to lower carb, grain-free, no wheat food on Tuesday with
no transition. This food does have slightly higher protein and phosphorous. 

Keep good thoughts and hugs --
3cats

What is the name of the new food that you are giving IQ?

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2007, 08:35:40 AM »

3cats,

Did IQ's blood sugar go up after you started the new food?

I'm not sure which food IQ is on, but if it is Wellness, I have their spreadsheet with all the percentages of protein, carbs, phosphorus, etc., if you need it.

I was looking at both varieties of K/D canned on their website and the carbs seem to be higher than the Wellness varieties I use both as fed and on a dry matter basis.  Although one of my cats had diabetes for 6 years (she suddenly didn't need insulin and went on very well for years and years with no insulin), she was managed by insulin alone, so I am not familiar with the dietary requirements of diabetes.  She ate mostly Fancy Feast for quite awhile.
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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2007, 09:30:17 AM »

No, Just Me. It was glucose last month 204, gave some Prenisalone (3 one-half pills), which I still think
is implicated here (but don't know for sure), and this month's blood test (Antech), glucose 716, and glucose
present in urine.

Owner goes politely nuclear when gets this diagnosis. Blood work been consistently done since January monthly.

Owner (me) pulls cats off KD to FF Turkey&Giblets Feast (olive green label) with no transition last Tuesday. IQ had been slipping
approximately for a month. Been to vet several times. Vet goes politely nuclear and says that won't even discuss diet with me; KD or else.
Chose "or else."

If I can get IQ stabilized again, will strongly consider Wellness Turkey, if all are sure garlic is out of it. How ironic it
would be in this case to be feeding a Menu Foods' food, since Nutro is likely what caused IQ's problems in the first place.

Pray I'm right. Please offer any thoughts you have. They will be appreciated!
3cats
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2007, 10:10:09 AM »

3cats,

The yahoo diabetic group seems knowledgeable.  Feline CRF-FD.

FF Turkey & Giblets is my backup for my 18-year-old CRF boy.  I keep a supply on hand.  To me, they gotta eat.  Mine won't eat K/D, neither would my last 2 CRF cats.

His main food is Wellness.  He prefers Beef & Salmon.  It has lower numbers similar to Wellness Turkey.  Turkey can's we've used made June and after don't have the strong garlic smell they used to have.  Not sure if it is out of there or not.

He's going for his 6-month blood work and urine in 2 weeks, so I will report how he is doing on these foods.  Physically he looks and acts better than he has in a few years, but we'll see what the lab work shows.  Eats like a piggy, probably too much.  I don't know if he's on the right food either, but he looks great so far.  Knock on wood.

My cats prefer the big cans 12.5 ounce cans to the 3 ounce cans.  They seem to have more moisture in them.  All the big cans we have used say made in USA, while the 3 ounce say made in Canada.

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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2007, 02:56:40 PM »

Hi 3cats,

It was several years before the recall when we had a diabetic cat. We used the "Janet and Binky" chart from the "sugarcats" website to find the foods highest in protein and lowest in carbs and fats. These turned out to be mainly Fancy Feast, although I don't recommend or not recommend that brand. We chose low fats because our cat had an episode of severe pancreatitis and recovered. An article in Cat Fancy suggested that high fat content foods can irritate the pancreas during an acute attack of pancreatitis, and possibly in an individual susceptible to pancreatitis. We never had any more pancreatitis trouble after switching to lower fats. One major difference in your situation, though, our cat's kidneys tested as being in good shape. I have sometimes heard that high protein is hard on the kidneys and that you have to keep phosphorus on the low side also. Janet and Binky's charts show phospherous levels in foods. I don't know how this balances out with the protein needs of the carnivore and perhaps someone can comment further on that - I have not had a cat with CRF. Are you doing the ear blood tests to keep up with daily blood sugar? We did that and it's helpful but not absolutely mandatory. One vet written article I read said blood sugar tests aren't always reliable (after all they measure one instant in time and the levels fluctuate) and that behavior is as good an indicator of glucose levels. Generally speaking, our cat was sluggish and sleepy if the sugar was high, bright-eyed and perky if it was normal, and agitated during her one episode of low glucose. Using the ear blood tests might help you evaluate the effects of various foods. I offer this experience as my experience only and not to conflict with anyone else's view, but rather to create a pool of information that may be helpful.
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 03:02:36 PM »

If you have any questions for me about my post on the previous page I'll be glad to answer when I can - currently undergoing computer problems. And, prayers and good thoughts going to you and IQ!
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