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« on: December 05, 2011, 08:51:12 AM »

Our newly adopted Santi was sick with a URI when we got him Oct 26th, also had adjunctivitis which turned into an ulcer in his left eye, and had urine burn on both back feet. We got him better then the day before Thanksgiving he developed a high fever and yellow diarrhea, we admitted him and the next day an abscess ruputured by his behind. Then 2 days after surgery sutures came loose, we had drains removed and we're now treating an opened wound with laser therapy and granulation gel, the gel and the oral 14 day antibio is treating the e-coli and proteus.  My question is this:  We just put him strictly on dry food, his poo seemed firmer on the crappy Hill's Science Dry at the hospital so we put him on that. Poo got better.  But yesterday he seemed bloated and only went once, also has some rapid breathing.  He is drinking tons of water so i know he's not better.  I'll ask the vet this week when we do next treatment. Any suggestions or thoughts as to his box problems?  will they get better?  he's been on antibios since Oct 26th, keep in mind.  thanks very much everyone!
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 09:36:50 AM »

Both diarrhea symptoms and obvious constipation can be due to constipation. If he's "backed up" somewhere, liquid stool passes out going around the block. Or...antibiotics have diarrhea as a side effect, and thats happening. Probiotics in between doses may help. Or...he needs more tests run and cultures done to see if a different antibiotic  would  work better. I would definitely have him looked at again.
 
I'm not a fan of using dry food for the main part of meals. Not even the crappy grain ingredients, but the dehydration factor of just being "dry" is troubling to me. If Santi is battling serious infection, maybe more meat nutrition may help in the long run - canned or homemade.
 Just my 4 cents.

 Poor thing, I am sending prayers and good wishes that Santi recovers quickly and completely.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 09:49:50 AM »

Thanks SO MUCH Meowli, this helps. We actually had him on terrific Good Karma chicken Soulistic for a bit, and i even added white rice, and his diarrhea was probably worse then, so i'm just confused and exhausted  Huh...should i try some cooked chicken breast tonite? maybe mashed with some rice? Maybe the Soulistic was too rich and watery?  Maybe i gave up too soon w/the Soulistic?  (it's just plain chicken and i also tried the pumpkin/chicken one a couple times too).  I will still check with vet. What was the most frustrating was seeing his poo look better AFTER 2 days in the hospital! All opinions are welcome.  And i hope Foster is feeling better...

Edited note: i still have half a box of Fortiflora, but haven't used it since he came out of hospital post-surgery Nov 26th, approx, been doing the dry, which i HATE to do, i just want his poo to look normal, diarrhea on his collar 24/7 ain't fun either! lol
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 12:14:20 PM »

Maybe try a little more of the fortiflora or even another probiotic...antibiotics, especially strong ones just totally wipe out ALL gut bacteria including the good ones needed for good digestion.   The stuff can't hurt, even a sick and weak cat. Just time it a few hours apart from the doses of antibiotics.

My old sick Purry a few years ago had a lot of antibiotics then had terrible battles with the  "run-poos". I understand well about having to clean up after a poopy kitty...eek. Having nothing in the house except my own probiotic, I gave that to him and it helped considerably. (Can't remember the name of the brand but I did check the label to make sure there was no ingredient unsuitable or harmful for cats)
 
We feed ours some of that Soulistic with the pumpkin, but not for every meal (the royal highnesses here get tired of flavors) but we rotate with other good quality foods. Will he eat a pate sytle with more meat less gravy?  I do like the idea of trying some home cooked chicken though. that should be easieron his system then dry. Maybe a different protein too, for variety and also just in case he has a problem handling chicken.

Have you talked to the vet about this? Maybe he still needs another exam/ further tests or the antibiotic changed?
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 02:01:38 PM »

Santi is lucky to have you taking care of him!  I'm sending you lots of good wishes to find a good solution to get him all better ... it sounds like a lot has been going on for the poor guy.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 04:24:06 PM »

I agree with Meowli. after all those antibiotics Santi needs probiotics. Did Santi have any Flagyl ? That will usually get the intestinal tract back to normal. Don't give the probiotics within 2 hours of the antibiotics, even Flagyl. If he was doing well on the SD I would say stick with it, crappy ingredients or not. But it doesn't seem to be working, so maybe a bland diet of boiled white meat chicken & long grain white rice with some pumpkin would help. White rice for diarrhea, brown for constipation. Long grain like jasmine or basmati has more bran & starch than short grain rice. You can refridgerate the water from cooking the chicken ,skim the fat & use it to add flavor when cooking the rice.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 05:37:52 PM »

I have nothing to add to the recommendation given here by others, iowahawkeye, but I do want to say that you've done a great thing in taking in and helping this poor guy with all his problems.  I hope that soon he will be fully recovered.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 07:44:18 PM »

Soulistic is the same as Weruva and there are plenty of kitties here that have had the runs on this food, including my Mia. It stopped after her system got used to it, but with everything that's going on with poor Santi, I would perhaps look at giving him something without gravy. Maybe consider trying Holistic select Chicken and Lamb. It has oatmeal in it as well as carrots and peas and my cats have never had a problem with it.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 12:32:44 AM »

Oh my, poor Santi, he has been through alot, hasnt he?  Unless they said what its from, I think I would be a little worried about the fast breathing thing you described..unless the vets already know about it....?  If they dont, make sure you tell them.   When you switched him over to Science Diet, was it gradual or all at once?  I think I would consider doing the boiled chicken breast with white rice and some broth/liquid added to it for a couple of days to see if things improve.  Give his gut a chance to rest.  If he does better on that, then I would try to find food, probably wet first, that has minimal ingredients and introduce him to it slowly, a little at a time and see how he does.  Having had a kitty with diarrhea issues, I can tell you that while probiotics can be a good thing, for some kitties, they can also contribute to potty problems on their own.  He probably does need a probiotic after being on anti-biotics so long but I would go slow, do a lower dose than what is recommended and maybe not every feeding, just once a day to start with.  I also agree if they havent done a stool culture, that might be needed.  How often is he having diarrhea, do you think he is dehydrated, have they given him fluids?  Did they say what they felt was causing his high fever?  Does he still have a fever?  Poor little guy, I hope the vets can get him more stable.  Bless you for taking this kitty in and caring for him.  Anyhow, please let us know how he does, OK?

ETA:  Im not saying Fancy Feast is the best food in the world, but its the only thing our kitty will eat.  Alot of people on IBD forums have success with feeding the grain free flavors, like the turkey, beef and chicken.  Our Sophers will only eat FF liver and chicken.  Undecided  Maybe its a place to start.   What we have found with our kitty is there sometimes are so many ingredients in some of the other brands, alot of vegies etc that can upset their systems.  We are also using Wellness salmon flavor dry and our kitty seems to be doing very well on it but we limit the amount of dry food she gets.   
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 08:48:25 AM »

You guys are wonderful, thanks so much.  Gonna print this out and take it home, tonite will be boiled chicken and i'll save the water for the rice (great idea -- thanks!), my friend also mentioned they liked the chicken water.  Smiley I feel hopeful again, really appreciate it.  SO GOOD to hear feedback about the richness of gravy (Soulistic) maybe causing a problem too...i do have a can of 100% pumpkin at home so i'll work up a chicken batch tonite! Not sure which rice to use, u guys are so full of great ideas, my shelter contact said white is actually better for the diarrhea than the brown (Huh).  I ran short for time this am, his box and collar were such a mess i just gave him dry, i regret it now but i ran out of time to catch train for work  Sad I appreciate ur support.

We got Santi from a kill shelter, and when she told me how great his personality was, and later put him in my arms and he started chirping while he was in SUCH discomfort from the URI, urine burn, and undiagnosed abscess, well i just had to take him.  Had to put some of the costs on credit but we'll survive.  I'll check in again tomorrow, pls email me any more ideas, i need it! I just want him strong and playful to keep up with our Marco who is a bigger boy tho they're both just over a year old!

oh yeah i should mention he's not getting daily meds anymore just a 14 day dose oral when he left hospital and just whatever antibiotic is in the granulation gel we apply twice daily....

also, if anyone has a thread about IBS/IBD, i'd love to read it, thanks again guys!

amended:  when i told vet last nite that he was bloated and i suggested diarrhea/constipation go hand in hand, he looked at me like i was bonkers. When i get a moment i'm gonna call and ask what the white blood cell count was, my vet totally believes a cat can be fed all dry food his whole life and i do NOT believe in that, so i'll just take him for his fantastic surgeon skills and compassion for animals and treat the IBS by trial and error!
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 10:48:57 AM »

If you are ever short on time to home cook, Petguard puts out several canned recipes with rice like turkey&rice. It's not a gravy type. Not all cats like it though, I have learned the hard way to buy only one or two cans of something the first time I feed it, just in case it gets the bury treatment... Tongue

Not all diarrhea is connected to constipation, only sometimes..there is the possibility of liquid stool getting around a block. The pumpkin, cooked oatmeal, and other fiber,actually helps both conditions and tend to normalize the stool. I would re-start with the probiotic too, at this time.

Continuing prayers for Santi
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 11:05:52 AM »

In the past I was told white rice because its more bland, especially if there is gut issues involved and the vet had said to cook it til its quite mushy.  If you get a copy of the labwork that was run, if you wanted to post the results here, there are folks here that are pretty good at reading them.  When is his next vet appointment?   
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 02:07:45 PM »

Bless your heart for adopting Santi and working so diligently to overcome his medical issues. Sending hopes and wishes that his digestion can be balanced out soon.

I too have heard that white rice is blander, making it better for a gut that is 'off'...I believe it's because there is less oil in white rice than in brown rice. Oils require more complex digestion.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 02:28:38 PM »

Brown rice binds certain nutrients and unless you're compensating for those losses, I would stick to white rice. Whichever white rice you decided to use, I would recommend not going with something very glutinous (sticky short grain rice) as there is more starch in rice like Arborio. Jasmine (the kind you get with Chinese food) or Basmati (East indian rice), rinsed very thoroughly should work well. And, yes, overcook it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 04:31:23 PM »

Definitely use extra liquid & cook the rice longer than called for. It makes it easier to digest. Unfortunately most vets don't have a clue nutritionally. This could be IBS/IBD or a food sensitivity or just an imbalance from the antibiotics. A food log with in/out results might help.
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