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SarahB
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« on: May 28, 2007, 03:43:35 AM »

Hi There,

I'm trying to find a food I can give my 17 year old male cat who has IBD (Inflammatory bowel disease). He's had it for just over a year now and takes Prednisone for it every other day.  When he was originally diagnosed with it, our vet said to just feed him whatever he would eat. So long as he was eating, all would be fine. Which we did...  He was fed an indoor type of dry and canned food up until January this year. At that time, my husband and I noticed he was rather thin. He was down to 7 pounds from his normal 10. Pretty much skin and bones for his size, kind of slowing down... Just, tired. My vet suggested that it might be time for a food change. She said to try Natural Balance Venison & Green Pea dry, and maybe a few different canned foods from them. It really worked!! That was near the end of January, by March he was up to 12-13 pounds and looking great! You could tell he felt great too. He was playing again and being his usual trouble maker self.

Sadly the recalled happened and we played musical cats foods. Trying to find something he (and the other two cats in the house) would eat was tough. Finally we settled on a combo of Innova EVO dry mixed with some Wellness dry and Solid Gold canned.  We tried so many different foods until we got to this, and the canned food is just as important for him as the dry.

But over the last week or so, I've noticed he's starting to go down hill again. Slowing down, dropping weight pretty fast (he's back to where I can easily feel his spine and hip bones) and he's not as interested in the dry food mix anymore.. and sometimes he won't eat the Solid Gold. Probably because they only have two flavors and he likes to have a few different flavors. The only thing he really wants are the Tuna flakes I give him as a treat and some dry treats I have. Plus some human food he gets into when we're not looking. :/ So.. he's hungry, just not interested in the Innova/Wellness and Solid Gold anymore.

Anyway.. I talked with my vet office yesterday and they suggested the Venison & Pea by Royal Canin (Formerly IVD). I guess it's the only real choice until Natural Balance can get their stuff together. They were out though and had to order some for me. It won't be in for a week, so I'm going to call around and try to find some tomorrow.

Anyway... I know Royal Canin is involved with the recall and have been having some troubles... should I be worried about feeding this to my cat? Is the slight risk of this food being part of the recall someday worth it to try and up his weight and such?  Are any of you folks feeding this to a cat with IBD?

I'm just worried... I don't want to make him worse, so I need to know what my choices are here and if I'm making a good choice.

Also, raw (human foods) will not work for him. He's far too picky when it comes to that stuff.

Thanks!

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Laurie
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 05:39:44 AM »

   SarahB, I have a kitty that has had IBD for over a year now. First rule when dealing with IBD is NO DRY FOOD! The prescription diets have been discussed here at length on the forum. They have WAY too much grain for an IBD cat, or any cat for that matter. It also sounds like he has been eating a lot of fish and tuna. Too many fish products are also not recommended for any cat. IBD kittys usually develop or have food allergies. Mine is allergic to fish. Grain free canned or homemade is way to go. You may also want to try some probiotics added to its food which aid in replenishing the good bacteria in the digestive tract. Plant based digestive enzymes can sometimes help with digestion and absorbing the nutrients from the food. Here are a few brands of grain free canned foods: ByNature, Evangers, Select Cuts by Breeders Choice, certain varieties of Merrick, Spots Stew for Cats, and Natures Variety. Some varieties of Fancy Feast are grain and gluten free, although I would try these as a last resort. You can even feed some cooked skinless chicken breast or turkey. Do not feed any spicy human food or lunchmeat.The most imortant thing at this time is to get some food and fluids into your kitty. Here is a link to a Yahoo discussion link on IBD.  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/               This is a good article on IBD. http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id2.html  Keep us posted.
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trucorgi
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 07:20:40 AM »

http://www.auntjeni.com/homemade.htm
My IBD kitty is eating this (rabbit and beef). You might try it if you can find it. I have tried just about everything for him. I finally took away his dry food altogether and he is starting to thrive without pred. 

I have a couple of concerns about the RC food you mention. http://www.royalcanin.us/vetdiet/felinegreenpeasvenison.html
The canned only has 9% protein. First ingredient is venison by products. Next is water and then venison and peas. To me this means more by-product and water than meat. Seniors need more protein, not less.

RC dry has 30% protein. First ingredient is peas. http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein-peas.htm
Keep in mind that NB added RPC to the dry to up the protein for the analysis because venison and pea food does not have enough protein. They didn't feel the need to put this on the label until after the recall. They marketed this as a grain free food, which it is not. NB's dry is 32% protein. I am suspicious of how RC is getting such a high protein analysis (only 2 % less than NB) on their dry food without RPC or more meat. They were recalled on the other foods for RPC so they do use it in their plant. I just don’t trust anyone who uses RPC no matter where it is sourced. The only reason they use it is to fake the protein analysis. Adding real meat protein costs money.

Hope this helps.
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Scratch
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 08:13:18 AM »

SarahB,

California Natural makes a Herring dry cat food.  This has shown to be a good backup for the NB Venison for IBD cats.  Also, do not use CLIMPING CLAY litter. (My opinion bad for all cats.)  Cats use their litter, clean their paws, and ingest the litter which then clumps in their gut when it hits the fluid in their systems.  Clay cannot be digested.  To switch litters: either put new litter in a second pan, or mix them over to the new litter.

Scratch
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Laurie
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 08:23:56 AM »

  Scratch, I do not know if you have an IBD dog or cat, but experts in this area are explicit in not feeding any dry grainy food to an animal with IBD.
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Scratch
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2007, 03:29:19 PM »

Laurie,

I have no professional paper credentials.  What I do have is a lot of years of hands-on and a lot of pets and a lot of friends with pets.  I don't disagree with you about feeding canned food.  But, the cat must eat and eat something very soon that will settle its digestive system, and if I recall correctly NB Venison dry was doing just that.

I do have one friend with a cat that has IBD who was ready to have her euthanized because "Princess" was dying from IBD and no professional was successful.  "Princess" was than fed NB Venison dry and had been a healthy wonderful cat for about 1 year.  When NB Venison cat dry was recalled the owner purchased California Natural Herring dry and "Princess" has been just fine for 4-6 weeks.  Every cat is different so it may not be the answer.  Some will refuse to eat canned.......if so this may be another option to consider.

Scratch
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Laurie
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 04:57:18 PM »

   Scratch, There are simple ways to transition a cat from kibble to canned. And I also stated in my previous post that her kitty needs to eat and drink something as soon as possible. But I have experienced this first hand. I researched this affliction for months on end to find answers and have also talked with others about it on the Yahoo IBD discussion boards which is highly regarded. I have provided her with some excellent links from which she can gather more information on her own from professionals and other parents dealing with IBD cats. These will help her make her choices.
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SarahB
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 05:06:10 PM »

He does need dry food. We did try a raw diet with him in the past, and we also tried just canned food, we've tried many, many different foods with him. He needs the dry with the canned or he just won't eat and goes into this rapid weight loss thing. I live less than a mile from a natural pet food store, and I've been working with the people there to find foods for my cats, and we're pretty much running out of ideas for foods they carry and foods that I can afford.

I might try the California Natural, but the more I read about foods for cats with IBD and the more I talk with my vet, the more I think he does need the Royal Canin IVD. He did very, very well on the Natural Balance Venison & Green pea, so he probably will do well on the Royal Canin version of it.  I would think anyway...

I just can't keep switching his food around so much, he's not happy about it at all and his body is showing it.

Once the Natural Balance is out again, I will be going back to it. All of my cats did very well on it and Sylvester really liked the food.

Thank you all for your suggestions so far! It does help and gives me a lot to think about. I am wondering though, is there anyone here that feeds the Royal Canin Venison & Green pea dry/canned foods?....



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MariManu
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 05:48:35 PM »

I would suggest Felines Pride for the IBD...www.felinespride.com

This will do it. Forget the commercial foods...they will NOT solve this problem...FP will.

OR...

you can make your own from this recipe: www.catnutrition.org

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Ajmac
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2007, 07:50:01 PM »

Okay, Mari posted the felinespride link about 4 times today... I'm starting to think she works for the company.
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 03:11:56 PM »

Sarah-
I have one cat with some allergy and GI issues and I first used Hill's d/d canned venison&pea, then I tried Natural Balance canned venison&pea during the recall.  She never had any problems on those 2 canned venison foods, but the recall made me nervous all around so I found ZiwiPeak venison canned food (from Australia) and she's doing fine with it so far.  The ZiwiPeak is more expensive, and hard to find, but if you have a local store willing to help you to order it, it might be worth a try.  I think Ziwipeak also has a lamb formula.  There aren't any grains in it.  Just a suggestion. let me know if you want I'll give you the  online stores I found it at.  I also contacted the ZiwiPeak US representative who was helpful and put me in touch with a distributor, but it's been difficult for me to get it on the east coast.  The distributor called me back recently and said he just got the cans in, so I'm hoping to somehow get it from him instead of having to order it online (expensive!).  ZiwiPeak has a website also.  Good luck, I hope you get your cat eating well and strong.
Lanie
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mia2
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2007, 06:41:01 PM »

SarahB,

California Natural makes a Herring dry cat food.  This has shown to be a good backup for the NB Venison for IBD cats.  Also, do not use CLIMPING CLAY litter. (My opinion bad for all cats.)  Cats use their litter, clean their paws, and ingest the litter which then clumps in their gut when it hits the fluid in their systems.  Clay cannot be digested.  To switch litters: either put new litter in a second pan, or mix them over to the new litter.

I fed my Westie NB Venison dry and canned..> My vet suggested the Cal.Natural Sweet Potato/Herring so I m sure its worth a try... good luck and my Westie likes it so far.. along w/home cooking that is

Mia2 wishing you good luck
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Crystal
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2007, 11:19:33 AM »

Is clumping cat litter really an issue? I use that. Now I'm nervous about that.
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Scratch
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2007, 07:23:40 AM »

Hi Crystal,

Here is one link I found when I googled 'health issues with clumping cat litter'.  There were many hits on the search so you can look around.

http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/articles/clump.html

Scratch
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Crystal
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2007, 07:48:25 AM »

Thanks so much. I will stop using the clay clumping litter because my cat has a number of the symptoms mentioned on that web site.
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