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« on: September 06, 2007, 02:03:29 PM »

Okay so we're racking up a large vet bill, what with the rescued kitty who is now quite OKAY thanks to all the great advice here, plus her vet med$ ... but now our 12 y/0 male is SICK in two ways - one physical, ... coughing up, nothing coming up, threw up one day, became constipated, and off his food schedule... This cat is also angry at us, which is the  second way he is sick, IMHO, is the real part of the problem.

He HAS come to some form of co-existence with the new kitty... over the past month, there have been no Battles of Kruger per se, just seething resentment... and hissy fits at US, esp. me, "traitor mommy" who brought sweet funny adorable kitty into the house, to be his companion, while I'm gone... (notice I'm still here departure date 9/1 became 9/15 real fast)... he has noticed how much more time I spend with this kitty who came into our house with a bunch of really nasty problems, fleas, worms, URI, eye infection, coccidia, now all quite take care of... whew! no little thanks to Itchmo-fora-nista's.

Sometime right after I gave the older Number 1 male cat his dose of Strongid (little kitty had worms, vet gave a defensive dose for this cat) - he began throwing up now and then, so we put him on a bland diet... he also started hairball coughing and became horribly constipated over the weekend ... well, DUH, re the hacking hairball coughs, he's REFUSED to let me brush him these past weeks (won't let me touch him - unless I shower myself off her little kitty smells). This one NEEDS DAILY brushing... lots of luxurious fur ... so I started giving him hairball meds with the lecithin that breaks up hair balls...

... I ALSO knew he just about needed an enema...  vets were closed... done this before... and I didn't want any mineral oils or other vet chemicals up him, just a few cups of cat body temp pure water, and an enema bag... IMO there are some things a pet owner should know to do... take temperature, give meds, give an enema, stop a gushing wound, stabilize a fracture, first aid a burn, give CPR, etc. (I think, even as far as how to stabilize an animal in shock, buying them time to get them to a vet, but that's just me who screams and flees when I see waving worms, go figure)...

CAT ENEMAS DO NOT have to go like that website, catenema.com. It went perfectly, not a scratch on me.  In case you're interested, this is how I did it. I suppose, the irony is that this cat had been mad at me, now he was in real trouble, and now oddly was cooperating. It crossed my mind he coincidentally has gotten really sick this past month, irrespective of the kitten showing up... but his Daddy and I don't think so... the thought of this cat going 3 days without pooping scares me,  he knows how important his tinkles and poops as *I always praise and reward them* for eating and going... good digestion is key to health.

Prep: I filled a plastic tub with warm water, put it in the bath tub. Got the vaseline jar, the enema bag, a few large towels, dressed in rubber slippers and shorts and a t-shirt, and got his daddy's bathrobe. I think Mack knew he needed "treatment" for his poopy-hole as we call it ... and co-operated like a champ.

(1) I put him in my lap and put a warm wet compress on his butt and repeated several times. (Since they are allowed on the bed, we wipe their butts and feet for hygiene reasons on a daily basis, so this is normal bathroom procedure they are familiar with). Then, I applied vaseline to his entire butt area a few times, and inspected to make sure the anal glands weren't impacted. Then I placed him feet down in the bath tub, next to the plastic tub-container, and thoroughly wet his butt area slowly with warm water from the plastic tub.  By now his entire rear quarters were warm, wet and "waxed". This was my way of communicating what we were going to do and I wasn't uncomfortable with the area in question and was going to be real gentle with the area in question. I guess long-ago med tech training helped here.

(2) I took him out of the tub (he's happy, "whew, not now!") and put him in the litter box and moved his front paws back and forth using their litter covering up motion... Nope, no luck. But he's getting the point...

(3) I picked him up, and wrapped him in his daddy's bath robe (ha ha Daddy, that's for not coming home early to take him to the vet) - so he is soothed by his daddy's smells... and placed him over my lap, butt near my right hand, head to the left, so he's sort of standing on the sides of the bathtub over my lap- I put my feet into the tub. With my left arm I control the front of his body and put left hand under his tummy. There are many towels on the bathroom floor, swaddling the way to the litter box. A velvet wrestling hold, no force at all, he's not resisting.

(4) With my right hand I pick up the business end of the enema bag, already vaselined, and insert the end gently a little ways into his butt. He objects, I release, I breathe calmly and when he paces my breathing, I re-insert. He is ever so still, I release the valve, and the water pours forth, he jumps, which I anticipate, and he instantly gives his familiar low urgent "gotta go now" growl and I let him leap off into the littler box, where he poops...  (I must have gotten 1/4 cup into him only)...

Then he threw up twice, the first productive purging he's tried to have in a week, incl. some hairball.

(5) I repeated with another 1/2 cup, nothing. I quit while I was ahead.

(6) His appetite came back immediately, 

(7a) Addressing the emotional part of the problem, we put him to sleep with his daddy and made sure the little kitty could not get in, which meant locking the door with his water and litter box in there. The next morning I was rewarded with yet another mighty poop.

(7b) In fairness to kitty, I played with her for two hours until 1am, but slept with her in the other room, and *she* rewarded me by bowling over the palm tree, getting a barrel full of soil on the carpet, tearing up other house plants, so I woke up and placed my feet on the soil of the great outdoors, and regarded the now dirt-caked kitty with amazing acceptance. Teacher-kitty, please teach me more about patience, JUST NOT TODAY!

I canceled the vet appt to urgent other business, and rescheduled for the weekend. So, I am inviting every sort of opinion about this decision... I can hear it now, NO you should have taken him in right away ... but I wanted to give him a day to de-stress as every invasive procedure no matter how minor takes a toll - want to see how he does...and do not believe vet vists are magic wands... yet, even I second guess myself...

Bottom line: I don't think this older cat is "sick" sick, I think he needs a checkup anyway, but the root problem is he is mad at us for bringing another kitty home and he is acting like, well, a two year old ... I really think being this angry will SOON make him "sick" sick. e.g., Anger, some say, is a root cause of all cancers in humans...

What he really wants is for us to enema the kitty out of the house, perhaps not, there are times he seems happy to have a second fur being around, but while she is what us humans see as adorably kittenish, to him, her behavior is nothing short of obnoxious, and I think that's making his stressed, his behavior and digestion all off.

So the situation is complicated. IMO he needs a psychological enema to rid him of his anger before he really does need a vet.  And vets don't do that.
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 02:11:19 PM »

Only on this forum would someone post the procedures for giving a cat an enema, and then of course only here would we spend the time to read the whole thing Grin Grin

Glad he is OK, and you didn't even get scratched Grin

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 02:15:41 PM »

Well, you have to pay more attention to #1 kitty (or at least make #1 think you are).  Sure, #1 is jeolous.

By any chance is your kitten preventing #1 from going to #1's litter box.  That is a big problem here as one of our ferals guards the boxes in the basement and chases off certain cats she doesn't like.  That could lead to constipation.

Maybe #1 doesn't like feral kitten using #1's litter box.  Or do they have separate boxes?  That could lead to constipation.

You deserve a medal.  I wouldn't even entertain giving one of my cats an enema.  

Actually, Danielle wants to start a stool thread.   Grin
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 02:19:59 PM »

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Actually, Danielle wants to start a stool thread

Now that is one I could get into Grin

We are certified poopoligists, have been picking up fecal matter for years and years, have seen it all

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 02:21:46 PM »

Wow, Anna!  Kudos to you!  What a procedure!!!  Very very informative!  I also watch my older cats poopies and peepies.  Fortunately, he is seldom constipated and "goes" on command.  But I beleive you are right.  Your older boy's "sickies" must be emotionally-related.  Its a shame that kitten's introduction into the household coincided with the need to aggressively treat various kitty conditions like worms, etc.  When introducing new kitty to resident cat, I found that things go smoother when one shows almost no concern nor interest for new comer - or for that matter, the reigning resident cat. Humans must behave as if new kitty's presence "just happened" ("oh! another kitty!  OK, what's that you said about work today, honey?  Mr. Smith resigned?  No kidding! yadi-dah").  Anyway, for what its worth, I think a wellness check up for your No. 1 cat will still be a good idea.  Also, I use a little mashed freshly cooked pumpkin mixed with wet cat food to take care of kitty constipation around here.  
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 02:22:17 PM »

Great work Anna ! You are braver than I am.It could just be emotional.I would still have him checked to be sure,but think you are right to wait a bit. I hate to tell you this but we've had our 2 for 7 yrs & the younger 1 still attacks the older 1.Hope yours settles down faster.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 02:40:41 PM »


By any chance is your kitten preventing #1 from going to #1's litter box.  That is a big problem here as one of our ferals guards the boxes in the basement and chases off certain cats she doesn't like.  That could lead to constipation.

Maybe #1 doesn't like feral kitten using #1's litter box.  Or do they have separate boxes?  That could lead to constipation.


Funny you should mention that.

They've been strafing each others litter boxes since she got here. Now that her poops are getting to be normal, I am thoroughly reduced to checking their rear ends to see who just did what. He is as bad as she is in that regard.

She has an obnoxious habit of jumping his slightly waving tail when he is doing his thing in the litter box. It doesn't help I exclaimed "no, NO!" when I caught her doing this, because HE heard the "No", and sort of jumped out ... then, evil, cruel Mommy blurted out: "No, Mack I didn't mean you - I *love* you , you are my number one kiiittteee and I want to see your pooopies more than hers " corrected that faux pas... adorable kitty hears this and I know I shall pay for this in other ways... like crashed plants in the middle of the night.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 02:52:25 PM »

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I know I shall pay for this in other ways... like crashed plants in the middle of the night.

The do have a sense of humor don't they, Grin and they always get even

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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 07:14:33 PM »

Anyway, for what its worth, I think a wellness check up for your No. 1 cat will still be a good idea.  Also, I use a little mashed freshly cooked pumpkin mixed with wet cat food to take care of kitty constipation around here. 

Thanks Kaffe, esp. for the pumpkin reminder... yes, we do have to take him in for a thorough checkup, wanted to discuss exactly what with the vet but she hasn't called back yet. I wonder if there is some sort of internal cleansing protocol for cats - to clean out livers and kidneys, colons etc. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 08:48:57 PM »

1.  Liver cleanse/support:  Milk thistle to help cleanse the liver, and SAMe supports liver function.  Now Foods sells a good milk thisle supplement.  You may have to consult a holistic vet for proper dosage for both milk thisle and SAMe.  My freind's liver-compromised Labrador gets 175mg milk thisle everyday.  So, a cat will need a much smaller dosage than that.  But from what I do know, SAMe is used only if the liver is already compromised.  The liver is an organ that can rejuvenate itself and grow back new tissues and milk thisle helps this process. 
2.  Kidney cleanse:  nothing beats plenty of fresh drinking water
3.  Colon:  I use a "people" multi-enzyme for my cats (Puritan's Pride).  Probiotics will also help.  Try plain yogurt. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2007, 09:48:44 AM »

My goodness my hat is off to you on the enema. I hope your boy checks out ok at the vet and that the two of them can co-exist, hopefully without wrecking your home totally.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 12:25:20 PM »

1.  Liver cleanse/support:  Milk thistle to help cleanse the liver, and SAMe supports liver function.  Now Foods sells a good milk thisle supplement.  You may have to consult a holistic vet for proper dosage for both milk thisle and SAMe.  My freind's liver-compromised Labrador gets 175mg milk thisle everyday.  So, a cat will need a much smaller dosage than that.  But from what I do know, SAMe is used only if the liver is already compromised.  The liver is an organ that can rejuvenate itself and grow back new tissues and milk thisle helps this process. 
2.  Kidney cleanse:  nothing beats plenty of fresh drinking water
3.  Colon:  I use a "people" multi-enzyme for my cats (Puritan's Pride).  Probiotics will also help.  Try plain yogurt. 


Thanks Kaffe, he does #2 well - warm water drinking rituals at night ... my old tibetan doctor used to tell me that most anyone living in the west they had seen had compromised livers due to the high levels of pollution - it was their constant complaint about us - so will introduce a milk thistle therapy after studying some more... have done the yogurt by treating it as medicine and using a medicine dropper...

... we're switching vets too, for the amount of business we give them, wish their vet would call us back when we had a question...
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2007, 02:35:35 PM »

UPDATE ON CAT ENEMA PROTOCOL....UPDATE UPDATE IMPORTANT UPDATE...

I read a lot on the procedure for giving a cat an enema, and much of it has to be filtered through common sense... the key question is the amount - I've read as much as a quart... the answer is NO!

The vet was happy I intervened and gave the enema, and she said that I  was right to STOP AFTER 1/4 - 1/2 cup because they do not recommend much more than 6 ml... which is about 1/4 cup...

The vet also said I was right not to put ANYTHING EXCEPT PUREST OF PURE WATERS... in the enema...

The vet said that the standard reaction to giving a cat an enema is they throw up... for some reason perhaps the influx from the wrong end starts anti-peristalsis...



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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 11:43:07 AM »

I read the cat enema part with great interest -- ever since the cat food recall, Lindsey has been getting seriously constipated.  We've been giving him the pumpkin and the milk, but he still blocked up twice in two weeks.

Both times, I put him on the desk with some newspapers and just dug in and got the poop out -- he howled a little, but we seem to have worked out that if he strains and I hook the stool out with my finger, we get the pieces.

My vet had told me to use gloves, but I couldn't find them -- Lindsey had thrown up and was straining with nothing coming out, so I just grabbed him and "de-pooped" him.  Now, I'm wondering if I should use the Vaseline on my fingers and his butt so that it all comes out easier -- I have *no* training as a vet tech -- I just saw our vet do it and decided the stuff had to come out.

Lindsey seems tired at first and then is completely back to normal in 4 hours, but I'd feel better knowing that I'm not damaging him when I "dig in".

Advice welcome -- gosh, I love these forums -- where else can you talk about de-pooping your obstructed cat?
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 11:51:54 AM »


Advice welcome -- gosh, I love these forums -- where else can you talk about de-pooping your obstructed cat?

Hi rocambole,

I don't have any advice, just wanted to welcome you to the forum.  I hope somebody has some "expertise".

Have you seen we actually have a poop thread in addition Anna's enema thread?  Only on Itchmo.   Grin

http://itchmoforums.com/miscother-pet-discussions/the-scoop-on-pooptalkin-stool-t1929.0.html
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