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« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2007, 06:04:09 PM »

My little boy, a 12 year old springer spaniel got sick last night.  We had to take him to the emergency vet.  He couldn't stand and his gums and eyes were PALE white.  At the vet they did blood work and it appears that he has anemia.  It happened in a matter of min. that he just collapsed on the sofa.  He sounded like he was grunting, then he pooped while laying down on the couch.  It looked like he was in a lot of pain.  His PCV is 35, his RBC are low.  The vet believes that it was a reaction to something... like a mold or an insect.  I am not sure though.  He is very lethargic and doesn't have much energy at all.  His gums look more on the pink side today.  The vet gave him some benadryl and a steroid injection.  I gave him some kelp supplement today and also made him some beet, carrot and spinich juice.  I also gave him some beef stew chunks for dinner.  I am hoping that maybe it helps. 
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« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2007, 06:22:07 PM »

   mgt, It seems that Springer Spaniels are one of a few breeds that are genetically predisposed to developing AIHA. Also, if a dog should ingest large amounts of onions or onion powder, that would cause AIHA.  Bee stings, infections and vaccinations may also trigger an onset of it. http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/canine_hemolytic_anemia
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« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2007, 06:46:59 PM »

mgt- Hope your dog is improving !Did you ask the vet about foods to bring up the rbc count ?
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2007, 03:44:26 AM »

From what I know it is genetic.  It is seen alot in german shepherds.
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2007, 11:59:47 AM »

My little boy, a 12 year old springer spaniel got sick last night. 
I'm so sorry to read about your dog - I hope he's better today.  Someone gave me this website...
http://www.vetnet.eu/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=vetnetbbs&access=00000000000000&mode=tlist&subject=7
There's so much info about AIHA that it was a little overwhelming for me, but I learned so many things about this disease and treatments.
My prayers go out for your dog's recovery.
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2007, 02:43:10 PM »

I have given this more thought, your initial question, may be answered, YES, as we know  dormant autoimmune disorders can lay low, and when the system is compromised , they can and do rear their ugly heads.

Having dealt with shepherd rescue, we have come across a number of gsd's with hemolytic anemia and pancretitis  and seeing more seizure prone gsd's


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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2007, 08:54:19 AM »

I took my little boy to the Vet this morning again.  He had another episode last night and the emergency vet told me to take him in this morning.  I had to leave him there for some tests.  My heart is breaking!!!  I am so nervous!!!
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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2007, 11:13:42 AM »

mgt- I hope everything is ok ! Thinking of you.
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2007, 02:57:20 PM »

From whom did you order the transfer factor, thinking about trying it on Loyal.

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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2007, 10:32:15 PM »

mgt -
     Sorry to hear your baby is having more difficulties.  Will keep you in my prayers.  Let us know how the tests turn out.
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2007, 08:50:31 PM »

I lost my 10 year old Italian Greyhound, Smokey this week to something similar to what  you are going through.  He has always had gingivitis.  So the bad smell in his mouth was not uncommon.  I am beating myself up at this moment over not being more aware of his problems.  He acted normal with no symptoms other than his breath.  I did check his gums and noticed that they were very red.  Still I associated this with the gingivitis.  I had all intentions of getting him in to the Vet for a dental.  Sunday evening his lip was swollen.  I checked his gums again.  Noticed a bit of bruising under his lip where the swelling was.  I knew that he was going to have to go the Vet first thing Monday and have that tooth or teeth taken care of.  My husband took him in Mon morning and left him for the Vet to take a look at him in between appointments.  The next phone call I received was from the DR asking me if there was a possibility that Smokey had gotten any rat poison.  I panicked.  She said that he was bruised all over and his red blood count was extrememly low.  She thought he might have an Auto Immune problem and had taken blood work and sent it off to the lab.  It would take a couple of days.  In the meantime she was treating him with Vtm K and steriods.   She had him boosted with everything that she could think of to solve many problems.  If his blood count did not improve she would do a transfusion.  Tues she called to tell me that his count was up about 30% and he was eating and alert.   Still waiting for the lab work, but she still was treating him as if he had the Auto Immune problem,etc.
Wed morning I received a call that he had taken a turn for the worse.  He had vomited blood, his urine had blood and so did his stool.  He was lethargic, a low temp and would not even get up.  I immediately went to see him.  He had a hard time breathing, even gasping at times.  His body was bruised all over.  As he lay his head in my hand his mouth was bleeding.  The DR said at this point it was up to me.  They could give him a transfusion, but she felt it was a band aid effect.   I made the decision to put him to sleep. He was suffering at this point.  I felt a transfusion might be the worst thing at that point.  The tests results came back that afternoon negative for the Auto Immune.  They still have some of his blood left.  We can do other tests to see if they can find out what caused this.  However, we may never know what caused it.   I am lost and heart broken.  I don't know what to do at this point.  I do know that a year and 1/2 or so ago I had some lymphnomas removed from his side.   No bleeding at the time of surgery.  However, after surgery his blood pooled as if he was pregnant.  His blood did finally absorb back into his body after a couple of days.  That was the most scary thing I have ever seen.  I did have some more lumps removed about a year ago and the same thing happened.  I found a web site months ago that mentioned Von Willebrandts Disease (not sure on the spelling).  This can be a breed related bleeding disorder in regards to clotting.   I had asked the Vet about it and she informed that it was possible that he had that.  But there was no cure for it.  He did have some other lumps that she suggested we let be.   If they became larger we could think about removing them.  Now I am here without him.  I have 10 other dogs.  I have had to put down dogs before.  But they had illnesses usually associated with age.  And those illnesses we knew about for a long time and were prepared for them.  I had 3 days of agony and pain as to what happened with Smokey.  I am curious to see how your dog is doing.  And if you ever found any answers.   I pray you have better luck than I did.  They are so special and with us for such a short time.  My prayers are with you and your  little one.
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« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2007, 12:07:45 PM »

Thank you all for your concern!  I greatly appreciate it!  I haven't come to the forums in a while...  it has been very hard times for me.  I haven't been able to write as I haven't been able to get the strength to go through everything again.  My precious baby boy left me on September 11, 07.  He suffered about 5 more attacks as I mentioned before.  He had a series of x-rays and an ultrasound, he saw 3 vets...  The vet that performed the ultrasound found a "mass" on his spleen and also stated that it was bleeding.  He had exploratory surgery and had a spleenectomy.  They didn't find a "mass"  it turned out that is was a pool of blood that has collected and appeared as a mass on the ultrasound.  His spleen had ruptured.  It also had tiny tumors on it about 5 that we could see, they looked like blisters.  The spleen was sent away to pathology and the results came in about a week later.  Diagnosis, hemangiosarcoma...  After his surgery my boy healed up very well, he was so strong... I will never forget how brave he was...  When they took him from me to get ready for surgery, they took him in to a back room and as someone walked in I got a glance at my boy sitting down waiting, he looked brave...  His surgery went well, we got to bring him home about 3 days after.  He wanted to start walking and presume his normal life again... he was so strong.  He had an appetite, and loved his food.  I started supplementing him with everything I could read about to fight cancer.  I spoke to on oncologist for my options...  about 3 weeks after his surgery he had another one of his attacks... this is when I knew, things had not changed... I cried so much...  I held him close and he rested in my arms, about 2 hours later he started to get stronger and I took him in to the vet.  (My oppinion of the vet is another story, I try not to harbor bad thoughts about it but it is hard)  She took blood and sent it in to the lab, she followed with bloodwork the following day.  My boy started to look a bit better, then a couple of days later he started to look a bit weak.  He was still eating, and walking around he just would lay down a lot.  I stayed by his side and even layed down on the floor next to him throughout the days...  He never left my side all of my life so I never left his.  One day, about a week after his last attack, I took him out and he did his duties... he sniffed around the yard and I followed him, I went over to look at his sool to make sure it looked normal, when I look over and he was headed for the door.  I heard something so I glanced over at him when I saw him having trouble staying up... he was collapsing.  My legs couldn't carry me fast enough to him...  I ran as fast as I could.  I picked him up in my arms and brought him in.  I layed him on my bed.  I knew this attack was different.  He was breathing very fast and his gums were white and dry.  He clenched my arm with his front paws...  he stared into my face as I told him over and over how much I loved him... he was in pain.. yet he wanted to make sure I was going to be ok...  I knew what I had to do... at that moment, as much as I didn't want to, I asked God to rescue my baby from the pain he was suffering.  I told him I was laying him down at his feet...  he stared into my eyes when his eyes started to close...  I kept telling him over and over that I loved him each time I did, he would open his eyes...  He clenched me again and he softly passed...  He passed away in my arms.  He passed away almost exactly 4 weeks after his surgery.  He didn't want to go...  He was strong and held on to the very last day to be with me...  He was my special boy...  My baby.  He was with me through college and into my marriage...  He was faithful and loving.  He was like a child to me.  I am broken inside.  I miss him very much so... I know things will never be the same...  God has helped me through each day and given me strength.  I know I will see him again one day.  I hurt but I smile when I think of how he is free from pain now.  This took us very much by surprise... The vet said that the cancer appeared to be only a several months old...  He was always healthy...  VERY healthy.  I only took him in to the vet when he had his senior exams.  I guess this whole thing took a little more than month from when he had his first attack to the day I lost him.  I don't know what happened... everything was so fast.  I haven't been able to sleep in my bed as of yet, I was never able to sleep without him...  he always slept at me feet.  He was an extension of me...  Always at my side.  Its hard....  He is one missed baby boy...    http://www.dogster.com/dogs/107746  this is his dogster page...  I am going to make a slide show in his memory soon, I will post the link when I finish it.  Thank you all for your support!  Thank you for your concern... 

bksreo, I am so sorry for your loss, I know exactly what you are going through.  I feel your pain, deeply.  Hang in there...  Trust HIM, he knows what he does...  We WILL see our babies again!!!!!!!!  I know it.....

Ancona, I am sorry for not answering your question sooner... I hadn't checked the site in a while...  I got it from 4Life  It was the human formula.  They have a classic and a plus, for Arnold I used the Plus due to the cancer fighting properties, but for my other babies, I use the classic. 

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« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2007, 02:22:44 PM »

mgt: I am so sorry for your loss.  Sad
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« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2007, 02:54:00 PM »

mgt I am so sorry for the loss of your dog.
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« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2007, 03:50:41 PM »

mgt,

I'm so sorry that you lost your fur-baby. Crying with you. I cry everytime I read of someone's loss. They are sooo loved.

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