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« on: February 15, 2012, 05:42:17 PM »

Ok, so Beau has pretty much healed from the PU surgery and has been doing well.  We had a small brush with a UTI, I think, which cleared up with some clavimox I had on hand.  But he still has symptoms of blockage, even though they tell me he will no longer block.

He is very vocal, at all times, whether he feels good or not.  The quality of his vocalizations change, though, and I can tell when it's a "help me" cry vs a "pay attention to me" cry. 

He complains before using the litter box, with husky mrrrowufs, short and quiet.

The litter literally flies when he uses the box.  He digs and digs, in the litter, the sides of the pan, the glass of the balcony door right by the litter box, the boot tray I use to catch litter as they exit.

He had a bout of diarrhea tonight, and he was straining hard, literally standing so his body was straight up and down in the litter box, using the sides of the litter box to help him.  I have been giving him a little bit of pumpkin in the mornings, which I was hoping would help him.

He's eating plenty of wet, but he wants dry too.  I know the common lore is to take up all dry and give very very watered down wet food, but the vets don't really know about his type of stone and the surgeon said diet has not been known to make a difference, but if it really is a high acidic level, then water should help.  He has free access to 2 fountains, which he does use, and he drinks from the bathroom faucet.

Is there anything you guys can think of to help him?  I have tinkle tonic and cosequin but have not made a habit of giving him any.

I am mostly concerned with the affects these bouts are going to have on him, especially long term.  I don't want to be ignoring signs of something else because I mentally associate all these signs with urate stones.  If you guys see anything I listed that doesn't belong with his symptoms please let me know.

If anyone knows of anything diet wise I can do besides all the water to cut the acid level down, I'd appreciate that too.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 07:00:58 PM »

Are you sure it's a urinary problem and not a bowel problem? I had one cat I'd swear had UTIs but it turned out to be constipation which then gave way to diarrhea. See if you can add a bit of grain to his diet by either adding a bit of dry food or maybe some oatmeal to his wet food.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 06:08:38 AM »

Does he eat fish ? Some fish oil may help if its constipation too.  If his urine is too acidic, the TT will lower it slightly as will adding some grain, veggies or apple cider vinegar.  If you stick with pumpkin or squash they provide the fiber too. Just watch for symptoms worsening if you are adding veggies, they can aggravate cystisis. When Punkin was constipated, adding some really soft oatmeal with a little flaxseed meal in it helped. Just use a small food processor or stick blender to mix a small amount into his wet food. Are you checking his urinary ph ? Try to see if the straining is related to changes in it, & keep a food log to see if certain foods make it worse. The more you can tell the vet, the better they can diagnose it. Also it could be an infection from his surgery, have you asked about extending his antibiotics ? Did you give probiotics long enough to counteract any intestinal upset from his meds ?
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 08:12:47 AM »

... I have been not feeding them a lot of fish lately, where before I did.  I'll have to add some back in the rotation, I guess.  My rotation has no rhyme or reason, I'm afraid.   Tongue

Leslie, thanks for the suggestions, I'll see if I can get some oatmeal mixed in his food.

He was at the vet twice since the new year, and showed no signs of infection.  His bowel movements had been pretty good, but he does get diarrhea more often than the others.  During his medications, he never had diarrhea!  It was a bit amazing.  However, as soon as they were done, it hit LOL  and every time we went to the vet, he had it, of course.

Right now I'm buying foods I know that are either very juice or very soft, VeRus shredded beef is the flavor of the week for the 3 healthy kitties and Bucky just wants to be able to eat, so I water down some Go! trout & veggies or organic by Nature 95% chicken & chicken liver, which is a very soft pate, or VeRus Chicken & chicken liver, which is very similar.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 02:57:54 PM »

Sorry to hear of Beau's symptoms, merrihart, I sure hope he will level out soon and feel better. I know it will be a huge relief to you when he does.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 08:51:04 AM »

Yeah I wonder if its more bowel issues than urinary?  I know its so hard to know, I wish they could talk!  Ever since Sophs had those couple of UTI's in a row, we've been adding a little bit of water to her wet food, every feeding.  So far so good.  Plus if he is feeling gassy, maybe its causing pressure and symptoms similar to UTI's?  Sophs does get dry food but we limit it to about 2 tablespoons a day. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 01:38:44 PM »

Tried one of the new pumpkin flavors VeRus put out this afternoon.  I'm a little leery because of the muscles, but we'll see.  Hope it helps him.  He liked it well enough, even though he's not horribly hungry.  Bisi ate some, bella turned her nose up and bucky dived right in.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 09:29:35 PM »

How is Beau doing, merrihart, any improvements for him?
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 03:32:36 AM »

The signs come and go, he seems to be doing well.  No more violent episodes of diarrhea that I have seen or smelled.   Tongue  A lot of my energy has been on Bucky the last few days, but I play with Beau morning and night and he has curled up to sleep with me most nights.

Right now he's doing a minimum amount of licking his bottom, playing a lot, crying a lot (LOL) and generally trying to keep me focused on him.  I'm putting tinkle tonic (4 drops) in each bowl of food except Bucky's.  Maybe it's helping.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 02:32:31 PM »

Have you tried D-Mannose? I tried that recently for my sister's cat who I care for full time and jeez what a difference! She was on Baytril for almost 3 weeks and still having UTI issues. I tried that stuff and it's all gone! I just give her a little bit every week for maintenance and knock on wood, she's been good ever since. It works fast too!
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 03:50:11 PM »

Welcome, Finnlacey!

Beau's main issue is ammonium urate stones, UTI is a secondary infection for him, due to that.  I'm hoping to control the crystal formation (it's a spotted breed issue, it seems like) so that he is more comfortable and his bladder remains soft and pliant.  Too many episodes and the bladder begins to thicken and harden, which is very bad.

But I will keep this formula in mind if the tinkle tonic doesn't appear to work.  Thanks!
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