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Author Topic: Are vets still recommending dry food to CRF or ARF cats?  (Read 6849 times)
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« on: June 29, 2007, 06:02:48 AM »

I'm curious as to whether vets are still recommending dry food for CRF or ARF cats.  My vet recommended wet food for my CRF cats.

From everything I have researched, these CRF and ARF cats especially should be getting wet food.  They need moisture to flush their kidneys.  What water they drink is not enough.  All my cats are on wet food, even the younger ones. 

Another benefit of feeding wet food, especially to older cats, is that it may help them from getting constipated.  My older cats have arthritis and had gotten constipated in the past on dry food.  Not so on wet food.

End of rant.  JMHO.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 06:18:55 AM »

JustMe, I agree. From what I've read, dry food is not really beneficial to cats, in fact, the opposite seems to be true. Mine doesn't like dry anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 07:50:12 AM »

JustMe,
If you don't mind me asking, what brand/type of food are you feeding your cats?
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 10:03:28 AM »

JustMe,
If you don't mind me asking, what brand/type of food are you feeding your cats?
EricV,

I feed all the Wellness grain-free canned, EVO (grain-free), and Fancy Feast Gourmet Chicken Feast (no wheat gluten).  Occasionally feed Pet Promise canned varieties when I run out of Wellness.  My cats are aged 4 to 17.  I do plan on supplement with some wet food with grains as soon as I can find something organic with no GMOs. 

This is what I feed.  I cannot vouch for it, except for my experience since late April when they started feeding on it.  The Wellness and EVO canned is made by Menu.  I haven't been able to find any problems with it on researching.  People need to do their own research.

When I do occasionally give them a little bit of kibble, it is either Serengeti, CORE, or EVO dry.  They do get dry treats, 1 or 2 a day, Castor & Pollux Organix cat treats.  I feed morning and night.  No bowls left out during the day.  Water fountain available, but the only one using it these days is the oldest with mild CRF.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 12:34:33 PM »

Please be aware of the dangers of feeding foods with high phosphorus levels to ARF and CRF cats.  I will not feed the EVO for just that reason.  My ARF cat is on dry because that's all she will eat and she has had two serious bouts of NOT eating which resulted in feeding tubes.  SO . . . as much as I would like to switch her, I don't see that happening at 11.5 years old.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 01:20:06 PM »

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What exactly do your cats eat? If you don't mind me asking.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 01:55:32 PM »

On the dry food issue, I still free feed kibble but both my CRF cat and my healthy cat like the Hills K/D so it's not like I'm risking putting something out that will make my CRF cat worse.  Beyond that they each get a generous serving of wet food at least 3x's/day - sometimes they eat it all, sometimes they don't, but it would seem that they're getting more wet than dry which is very important when dealing with kidney issues but it's even more important that they eat. 

There is a school of thought that wet food is better for cats than dry due to the moisture and it makes sense to me after reading the history and evolution of cats but kibble has been recommended for years for dental health I'm guessing because having a cat's teeth cleaned is such a big ordeal.  I'm actually starting to think that a bit of both might be the best route; just like all things in life, better in moderation, right?
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 02:01:31 PM »

Please be aware of the dangers of feeding foods with high phosphorus levels to ARF and CRF cats.  I will not feed the EVO for just that reason.  My ARF cat is on dry because that's all she will eat and she has had two serious bouts of NOT eating which resulted in feeding tubes.  SO . . . as much as I would like to switch her, I don't see that happening at 11.5 years old.

Phosphorus:  My oldest with the CRF gets phosphorus binders mixed into his food.  He prefers the Fancy Feast.  Still looking for something for him with lower phosphorus.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 02:05:28 PM »

Ajmac: It used to be thought that dry food helped to clean teeth because of the abrasive action of the food against the teeth. Vets always used to say this, and I believed it for a long time. They've pretty much debunked that since most cats don't chew dry kibble that well, and because the food sticks to the teeth and causes decay.

When I got KD I wanted her to eat some of both. I'm still working on getting her to eat wet food without gulping it down too fast and puking it up. But I've been chastised by a few people here because I don't plan to give up dry food entirely even if I am successful with the wet. In my case it's a practicality thing: if I have to leave her alone for a weekend, or cut back on the canned food due to cost, or if there's another massive contamination scare involving wet food, she'll still need to recognize dry food as edible. However, I do agree that wet food is healthier overall and especially for kidney concerns, and I hope to make it the basis of her diet.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 02:52:42 PM »

Does somebody have a reputable link that shows the maximum phosphorus for cats, renal cats and healthy cats.  I keep googling and only can find the National Research Council report which costs $295.  I know realize it is a fine balancing act, calcium, phosphorus, etc.  I'd like to see something that actually spells it out so I can switch foods if necessary.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 03:29:39 PM »

   Justme, I found two sites that discuss phosphorous levels. http://www.allpetsmacomb.com/choosingapetfood.html  And.  http://www.felinecrf.com/tests0.htm 
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 03:34:30 PM »

Don't mind you asking at all.  For a variety of reasons, my 5 get California Natural Chicken and Rice Dry.  CJ, the one with the ARF, was also diagnosed with IBD and has had some liver problems likely due to not eating.  When she got sick she stopped eating (twice) and ended up with feeding tubes both times.  The vet wants her on Eukanuba Low Residue (for the IBD) so I have compromised and she gets mostly the Cal Nat (with a limited number of ingredients) and a bit of Eukanuba (which she doesn't like very well). I have to keep her eating!  The only wet food she will even try is Fancy Feast grilled which has tons of junk in it ~ and then she mostly licks up the sauce. So that's not a good option at this time.

So with 5 cats, the Cal Nat seems to work the best for my situation.  Sure, it's not ideal, but the best I can do at this time.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 04:17:53 PM »

Catmom5 - you are doing the right thing accommodating their finicky little palates!  I know I was stressing myself out and probably putting my CRF cat in danger because my vet was insisting on the Rx food... I really don't think it was because of any financial rewards on her part, just the need to limit phosphorus.  I finally talked to her, she saw the weight loss in my girl, and she said "feed her whatever she will eat"... that's a vet who's not only into it for her own financial gain, IMO.  I found something my girl likes and she now turns her nose up to Fancy Feast but my boy? He loves the kitty crack and will probably eat FF the for the rest of his life but any future cats will start on the healthy food my girl now loves from day one.  But right now, with CRF issues, we just gotta keep them eating to keep them alive.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 09:52:42 PM »

This is one of the hardest things for me to deal with. On the one hand, I don't want to feed a food that may hasten kidney failure in my cat. On the other, I don't want my cat to die from not eating/getting enough nutrition. What a crappy dilemma.
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2007, 03:03:12 AM »

   Justme, I found two sites that discuss phosphorous levels. http://www.allpetsmacomb.com/choosingapetfood.html  And.  http://www.felinecrf.com/tests0.htm 
Laurie,
Thank you so much for these links.    Smiley
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