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Author Topic: Any thoughts on feline "acid reflux"???  (Read 15576 times)
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« on: December 13, 2007, 06:11:42 AM »

Any experience with feline "acid reflux"? I'm wondering if that is what is going on.

Three of my cats seem to have what I would describe as something like "acid reflux", mostly the 6-year-old girl that had the slightly elevated liver enzymes, then was diagnosed with asthma, then suddenly stopped coughing, and is off any medication. 

This just started last week.  Yesterday, the 6-year-old was really down in the dumps.  You know you can tell when you live with a cat 24/7, when they just aren't feeling right.   She's eating, urinating, and defecating fine, although her appetite has been slightly diminished the last few weeks.  She goes next week for her follow up blood work.  She spit up a piece of plastic from a milk bottle seal and a hairball the other day.  She is a plastic muncher when she is hungry.

One of my ferals has been doing this, too,  the mouth motions, but no vomiting.  Then, the kitten did it yesterday, the mouth motions.

My 14-year-old did it last week, but not now.

I'm wondering if this is food related or not.  The only difference in their diet is a tablespoon of NV twice a day along with their Wellness wet.  Maybe the NV is too much for them?  This morning I fed no NV just in case.  I was thinking of giving the 6-year-old 1/4 tablet of Pepcid to see if it helps any.

Any thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 08:15:22 AM »

JustMe,

I am really worried about your kitties eating plastic.

As far a digestion and acid reflux;  I really love Missing Link made by Designing Health.  I have used both the  canine and feline for more years than I can recall, maybe 20+-.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 08:19:39 AM »

  JustMe, From what I know about feline acid refulx, it mostly occurs when they have an empty tummy. It can also be one of many symptoms of CRF. My Tinker will puke up clear phlegm in the middle of the night if she does not get a snack before bedtime. I have on occasion given her 1/4 - 1/2 a pepcid which seems to help. As far as the chewing goes, this seems to be a characteristic in many IBD kitties. My Jasper will chew on cords if not fed in a timely manner. I believe Jenny's IBD cat does this also.  I would start with the food elimination and see if that helps.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 08:26:35 AM »

JustMe, When both of my cats were ill early on with ARF, I was giving them each regular strength Pepcid AC (not the max strength)I think it was 1/2 tab twice a day--the vet told me how much to give as this was for "their acid reflux" he said---they made gulping kind of swallowing---Smudge still does this but her creatinine is in the 3's.  I think asking the vet about this and what dose as it probably matters what their weight is I would think?Huh  It can't hurt! 
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 08:31:41 AM »

Phantom has a sort of "belching" that would seem to be like acid reflux when she eats food that is too rich for her, even tiny amounts.  I would try not giving the NV for a week just to see if anything changes.

My asthmatic cat, Cameo, will sometimes go through periods of appearing to swallow hard a couple of times, probably like what Carol describes as gulping, several times a day when her asthma is beginning to bother her, like in allergy season.  There is no wheezing or coughing or vomiting at this time, just this swallowing when she has not eaten or drunk anything.  She doesn't do it otherwise, just in allergy season.  I have concluded that she is swallowing secretions, or that her throat is scratchy.  Since several cats have done this, is there any chance that they could be passing around a mild URI?  I know some of your cats have been to the vet recently, and cats have been known to pick up respiratory infections in that way.  This might be another thing to consider other than reflux.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 10:22:40 AM »

Here's a little info on it from a great CRF site.  The treatments link tells what you can do about it.  Pepcid does seem to be the most popular treatment for cats with this problem. 

http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms.htm#stomach_acid

I know you've seen all the posts JustMe, but a lot of people are noticing their cats have trouble with beef--does the new NV have any beef in it?  Sometimes I wonder about the listed ingredients.  I looked at one dry dog food recently that had 'liver' listed.  What kind of liver?  My dogs are allergic to chicken, so this is important info. 

Then there was that recent info that back when lamb & rice were so popular as 'non-allergenic' dog foods, some companies slipped in other meat meals because they were having trouble getting enough lamb.  So much for non-allergenic.  And of course there's the Natural Balance venison & green pea cat food debacle--not supposed to have ANY grains & then recalled because they had added rice protein without listing it.  You never know what's really in there.

I've been cleaning up some clear throw up puddles from one or more of the cats the past few mornings, but they usually have some hair in them so haven't let myself get too worked up about it.  I think when this batch of pets 'runs out', I may not ever have anymore.  It's soooo hard constantly worrying about their health & safety & whether I'm inadvertantly doing something that may harm or kill them.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 01:26:25 PM »

One of my cats will sometimes try to find and nibble on plastic to show me that he is ready for his food, and right now! I've never had the one with acid reflux so I can't add anything there, but I'm sending warmest wishes for your kitties to get better.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 05:33:56 PM »

Pepcid is the thing I would try. and stay of the new stuff.
If there was a problem with the plastic, the cat probably wouldn't be eating. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 08:13:53 PM »

Thank you all for your thoughts.  You've given me a lot to think about.  It is sort of like a gulping as Catbird and Carol mention and indigestion.  Hope she doesn't start with the asthma again.  Darn. 

I didn't give them NV today, and she is the only one still doing the swallowing/reflux motions with her mouth, but not as much.  I gave her 1/4 of a 10 mg Pepcid (which is what my vet has prescribed for other cats in the past)  She slept most of the day, definitely less active. 

Scratch:  What does Missing Link do?

Laurie:  I hope it isn't CHF.  She just had really comprehensive blood work in October and the only thing odd was very slightly raised liver values.

petslave:  There isn't supposed to be beef in the NV I use.  Now that you mention it, these are the same cats who seemed to have a little indigestion with Wellness Beef & Salmon. 

catwoods & trudy:  She does look for plastic bags to eat first thing in the morning when she is hungry.   Undecided  She's not eating with as much gusto as she used to the last month or so.  I gave her some Wellness Kitten tonight and she ate that and some Wellness Chicken.

Thank you all.


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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 08:49:04 PM »

Just Me -
     Maybe this is far-fetched, but could she have swallowed part of a plastic bag that is causing problems in her stomach?  I don't know how well that would go down and out or up and out!  Any constipation or diarrhea?  Definitely would keep all the plastic bags out of her reach.  Hope this is not the problem, but thought I would mention it.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 09:14:56 PM »

Just Me -
     Maybe this is far-fetched, but could she have swallowed part of a plastic bag that is causing problems in her stomach?  I don't know how well that would go down and out or up and out!  Any constipation or diarrhea?  Definitely would keep all the plastic bags out of her reach.  Hope this is not the problem, but thought I would mention it.
Mandycat,
That is what we were worried about when she started coughing a few weeks ago and was diagnosed with asthma.  No problems with bowel movements or urination.  She's only vomited up a hairball with a piece of plastic in it, a plastic transparent safety seal off a milk bottle.  She's had 2 sets of x-rays already, only showing the lung problem.  I don't think plastic bag type material would show up on an x-ray, but don't know.
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 10:24:49 PM »

JustMe -
     I am not sure either whether the plastic would show up on an x-ray, but I would think that if there was a blockage that the area that was blocked would show on an x-ray of the bowel.  Just in case, watch for constipation which might indicate a complete blockage, or diarrhea which can occur with a partial blockage because sometimes liquid stool can still seep around it.  I assume that your vet has been informed that she likes to try to eat plastic bags?  Whatever the problem, I pray that there is a resolution soon.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 11:02:53 PM »

I'm going to throw something REALLY wild out there.

Has anyone checked to see if there's a hiatal hernia?
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 12:01:04 AM »

Another "wild thought" to throw into the mix.  Sometimes, when the weather changes, the barometric pressure goes up or down.  This sometimes creates a kind of odd pressure in our ears (ours and our dogs, cats and other animals).  We either yawn or gulp to get rid of it.  Maybe that's all that is happening?  My cats yawn a LOT when the wheather changes; are less active and eat much less than in the summer months.  In any case, I really really hope that whatever is bothering your kitty JustMe, that it isn't anything serious.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2007, 03:55:23 AM »

As an x-ray tech for 25 years I can say without hesitation that regular plastic bag type material does not show on x-rays. For objects to to show on x-rays they need to have a different density than surrounding objects and having a higher atomic number they "block" some of the radiation---that is why metal shows and bone (calcium)--so things like non-leaded glass, plastic, splinters don't show---an x-ray image is just a bunch of different "shadows" all blocking the radiation with different attenuations!  Air filled structure appear black and then all the differnent grays depends on the atomic number composition!  That is why barium and the other newer contrast agents used in CT scanning work in the body for a "contrast" effect. (The contrast agent used for MRI is different however as that is not using radiation.

Wow---I do remember something from 1977.   Grin
 
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