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« on: July 20, 2010, 06:18:39 AM »

Something we've seen a lot of here lately is copying and pasting either entire articles/pages or large sections of them, both with and without links.  Most of these sites and pages are copyrighted; in the case of message board posts, while the author may not hold a copyright on his/her posts, the message board itself is likely to.

Both the person posting the material that's in copyright violation and the website he/she posted it to can have legal problems, so copyrighted material posted here can mean trouble for both Itchmo Forums and the member who posted it.  If we take a look at Wikipedia's policy on copyrighted material, we see that it's not permitted, will be removed, and those who continue to post the material will be blocked from editing to avoid further problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights

As you see on their page, there's nothing at all wrong with posting a link to the page or story you want others to see.  There's also nothing wrong with your reading the page or article and then writing what you read in your own words.

Since most recently-created works are copyrighted, almost any Wikipedia article which cites its sources will link to copyrighted material. It is not necessary to obtain the permission of a copyright holder before linking to copyrighted material, just as an author of a book does not need permission to cite someone else's work in their bibliography.

Note that copyright law governs the creative expression of ideas, not the ideas or information themselves. Therefore, it is legal to read an encyclopedia article or other work, reformulate the concepts in your own words, and submit it to Wikipedia, so long as you do not follow the source too closely.


Using some short direct quotes from things like news stories and copyrighted web pages and sites is generally allowed under "Fair Use", but it certainly wouldn't be considered "fair" to have an entire article or page copied and pasted from one website to another.  It's even more of an "insult" to the person who holds the copyright for the material when the link to the original source isn't posted at all.

When you're using another website, please make sure you include the link to where you found the information you're posting here, not just because of copyright rules, but because it adds credibility to whatever you're discussing here.   Please also think about what "fair" means when you do decide to copy and paste any material.  Because we don't want any members or Itchmo Forums to have the possibility of legal issues due to copyright violations, admins and mods will need to either edit or delete any parts of posts which may contain violations.

BTW--when you are using information found here, you need to follow the same guidelines to post it elsewhere as Itchmo Forums has its own copyright--a link to the post or thread along with fair use of our information.  Wink
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 06:38:14 AM »

Thanks for the good advice Menusux! I appreciate this information.  Im sure I have done this, albeit not intentionally.  I have to admit at liking a quote regarding the point from an article posted because I dont have time to go read every link that is provided but I may be overdoing it in my posts such as quoting too much stuff, etc.  I will have to be more careful in watching what I post. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 06:58:19 AM »

Just to clarify a little, menusux, though, things like government recall notices and website postings are not copyrighted, are they?
So one can quote entire posted recall notices, including specific info about products, lot numbers, etc., etc.? Or entire government
website articles on health issues?
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 07:02:57 AM »

Government websites and notices, etc., are not copyrighted, so yes, you can post the entire recall notice from places like FDA and USDA, and other material found on those sites.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 07:07:49 AM »

How much in your opinion does this being a not-for-profit website and not sponsored allow us some license in quoting
germane parts of articles we want other users to be able to read? Or is that the real bottom line legal issue, and we need
to give up quoting and restate the reason for reading the link in our own words?
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2010, 07:19:53 AM »

Oh dear..

I'm getting into my striped outfit as I type.. Tongue Embarrassed
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2010, 07:21:05 AM »

What we can look at too is that Wikipedia is also a not for profit website and while they allow some use of quoted material, the material needs to be sourced properly and attributed without being an "excessive grab" of what's at the other page or site.  

Wikipedia generally uses a rule of thumb re: how important is what's to be quoted to what you're trying to say on their pages.  

I personally don't have a problem with using some cut and paste material when it's made clear where it came from and when it's only enough to give readers the idea of what's important.  What I do have problems with is entire pages, articles or posts being taken from elsewhere and simply pasted, with or without the link it came from.  My personal feeling is that I try to take only enough from the page or article to try showing why this is important and also to get others interested enough in what's written on the other site or page to click the links and actually go over there and read it all.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2010, 07:28:41 AM »

As menusux stated, short snippets of a sentence or two that indicate what the article is about as long as a link to the original article is provided, are always OK.  They should clearly be marked in some way as quotations from another source.

This site doesn't have any more license as regards stealing other people's material (and that's what a copyright violation amounts to, it is stealing the author's work) than anyone else.  The fact that we are non-profit makes no difference.

And it doesn't matter whether you are copying something from a major for-profit news site or just someone's blog.  It's still a copyright violation to steal their words or ideas and not give attribution.

In the future, if we have reason to believe that a post here constitutes a copyright violation, we reserve the right to edit or delete it.  We have done so quite a number of times recently, when we have asked for attribution and the writer of the post has not provided it.

This is not new.  We have been reminding people of this for years.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2010, 07:38:07 AM »

Thank you mods, this is very helpful info, thanks for looking out for us! Carol, I dont like stripey outfits either, LOL Im more worried about the black helicopters hovering over our house!   Grin
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 07:49:54 AM »


This is not new.  We have been reminding people of this for years.

That's for sure!  It's time consuming and frustrating.  We're not going to be searching for links to "fix" your posts.  If you don't have a link, your post gets deleted or edited without warning.  Sorry, but we have full time jobs and families to take care of, too!     Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2010, 08:47:52 AM »

These blog articles go back to 2006, but they both illustrate what it feels like to the person whose content was simply taken and what someone who isn't a mega-corporation can legally do about stolen website content.

http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/what-do-you-do-when-someone-steals-your-content/

What Do You Do When Someone Steals Your Content
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2010, 04:57:38 PM »

My concern with only being allowed to post links and small quotes is that most of what appears here in this forum are news article quotes. These news articles tend to disappear from the posted links and sometimes even from the internet itself after a short period of time.

Therefore, I would like to suggest that the original poster of such timely articles keep a full copy somewhere in their possession so that it may be referenced at a later date after the article disappears off the internet.

Any comments on this idea?
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2010, 04:59:08 PM »

If you are afraid that the article will disappear, I see no problem with an individual keeping a copy on their own computer, just as long as they don't post the whole thing as their own.
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2010, 05:01:57 PM »

Agree with you about the news articles because they often leave the internet very quickly and we can't count on getting another link immediately from someplace like the Internet Archives because content doesn't go on line there until it's at least 6 months or more old.

Another way to try keeping these pages available might be to work from the links given for printing an article.
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