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« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2012, 03:51:05 PM »

Phantom was spayed after her kittens found homes, but was showing signs of going into heat at the time.  Although they took extra precautions, it seemed to take her longer to recover after the spay than any other female I've had.  She was not back to normal for a couple of weeks; seemed very tired and kind of droopy.  I think those hormones do make a big difference.

I wonder if she growled when you picked her up because she's still a bit tender?
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« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2012, 04:01:19 PM »

She growled when I put her back down in her bed. She really snuggled into me while I was holding her. Thanks for sharing you experiences. If she doesn't perk up soon I'll contact the at home vet I used or take her into the vet clinic. She was purring while I was posting a little while ago - one finger typing and the other hand petting. Wink
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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2012, 05:37:41 PM »

She probably is going through some depression with everything that has happened and hormonal changes from the spay.  Plus she was outside for who knows how long, battling the elements and suddenly she's in a house and safe.  I wonder if she's grieving from losing her people too.  That's great that she is snuggling and purring!

But it might be worth having her checked again if she's not scheduled to go in soon and hasn't improved in a few days.  Maybe she has pulled something open internally that isn't showing up outside.  A friend recently adopted a 5 yr old female shepherd that had been used for breeding.  She had internal bleeding after her spay.  It did show up externally though by leakage from the incision.  The vet said older female dogs that have had litters aren't easy to spay and it wasn't that uncommon.  Not sure if that applies to cats though.
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« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2012, 07:48:59 AM »

Thought we were doing well until this morning. I have let her out of the cage (actually opened the door and let her decide) and when I tried to put her back in she went ballistic on me. I managed to get her with a towel and put her back in, but I'm wondering now if I let her out too soon. Her incision still looks good and she got some buprenorphine this morning.
I think she might be more feral than I originally thought, but she's not going back outside to live yet. I'm not giving up on her and believe that she is still very workable.
Any insights here? Right now she is sitting in her litter box (new litter) which is as far away from me as she can get! Not a happy girl.
Think I'll give her some lunch and go back to work!
Feeling a bit discouraged and just plain stupid here!
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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2012, 08:30:18 AM »

Don't be discouraged!  She's going to have ups and downs - the fact that you can TOUCH her at all is fantastic.  My girl (whom I would have sworn was a hard feral when she was trapped) was untouchable for MONTHS.  Snarling and hissing whenever I came near...if she didn't have a kitten to nurse, I would have just given up on her, she was so aggressive/defensive.  But she just needed to know that I was not the enemy (although I looked a lot like it, with the cages and all!) and she's a total sweetheart now...

What about that stuff I'm hearing about - H2P2? http://www.h2p2wellness.com/  I have no idea what it is, but it sounds like it might help you get over the hump in a situation like this?  Oh - and are you using Feliway at all? 

And - have you tried brushing/combing her?  You can use a long-handled (actually make one with a regular brush or soft brush taped onto a stick) one to help maintain the distance.  That was the only kind of touching my little pound kitty who was badly abused could tolerate - I used a soft baby hairbrush and that was the ice breaker for us.

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« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2012, 10:13:00 AM »

Thanks for the information and encouragement. Now that I have had some time to reflect, I'm not surprised she freaked out. She was cornered and I had my work badge hanging from my neck so she was probably very scared. I have been able to pet her (although I can feel how tense she is) now that she's back in the crate.

Question(s) - how long should I leave her in the smaller cage? Would it be worth purchasing a multi-level condo for her? I can do that, but will something that limits her space make her feel more/less secure? I hate that she hardly has walking around room. With the larger condo, she could at least jump and look out the window, plus there will be a level for her litter box and other levels for food and lounging. Do you suspect she will need to be confined for a while? (It must seem like prison to her after living outdoors and roaming for so long.)

And I did order the H2P2. Hopefully it will help her relax.

Thanks, again. As hard as this is to watch, it must be much harder for her. Bless her heart, but I'm hoping that she will find that being safe inside with someone who loves her is better than roaming around the streets.
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« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2012, 01:42:51 PM »

catmom, Im just catching up with this story of the new girl you have rescued.  Bless your heart for caring so much and thank goodness you do!  No matter what, she is much safer and better off being inside with you than where she was at before.  Who knows what would have happened to her if she was pregnant and went to have the babies by herself at her age.  Maybe she is just a little off from the surgery, can you tell if she feels warm, that would be the only other thing I would see, is if she is feeling warm to the touch.     I would think its close to the time you can let her go to a larger cage unless she is still having problems from the spay?  You could get a small cardboard box and make an opening and turn it upside down and put a bankie in it so if she wants to go in there while she is in the larger crate, she can get some quiet time.  I think the multi-level condo would be great if you could afford it. Is she eating better now? 
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« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2012, 04:33:09 PM »

It took a month for Punkin to come up out of the basement willingly & that was just to the doorway ! I think you need to expect some set backs & let her move at her own pace. The kitty condo would give her more room & you can still let her out under supervision. Just don't expect it to always go well & you will be happy with any improvements.
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« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2012, 08:37:00 AM »

I want to add my support Smiley  Try not to get discouraged although I know it's hard.  It just might take her a while to get more comfy with the new environment.

You're doing good! Kiss
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« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2012, 09:07:46 AM »

I think something with multiple levels will help reduce her stress.  You may want to call the vet to make sure it's ok this close to her spay, but I'll bet it is.

How are your cats dealing with the intruder?

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« Reply #70 on: March 15, 2012, 10:46:48 AM »

Update:
After a night of crying and crying (Lucy), I made the decision to open the cage doors and let her go in and out at will. She has found a couple of places where she can just hang out and I'm not trying to engage her at all, just talking with her when I'm in the room. She only eats at night. I really think that being confined in a small cage has made a difficult situation more difficult. I also brought in a short cat condo so when she wants she can get in it and at least look out the window.

I also cancelled the multi-level cat cage - simply because it's a cage. I also am looking at managed colonies and barn cat programs with caregivers if I can't find an adopter, when she's ready. She can stay here as long as the other cats are just curious (which is where they are with her right now) and I can find a good place for her.

I had a man here cutting back my ornamental grasses this afternoon and she absolutely freaked! So I closed the window and put the shade down. I don't have any idea how she would ever handle being outside all the time - although she could just run and hide. The world must be a very scary place for kitties like Lucy.

The good news is that she looks better every day. Her fur is getting shinier and healthier looking and her flea scabs are gone.

We'll just have to wait and see how things work out for her. I'd love to keep her forever, but I don't think keeping her confined in a small room indoors for the rest of her life is fair to her. So - I'm trying to be patient and optimistic and to do what I can for her.

Thanks to all of you.
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« Reply #71 on: March 15, 2012, 03:54:13 PM »

I'm glad she is improving ! Even if she ends up in a barn colony, she will go there healthy & more used to people near her.
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« Reply #72 on: March 15, 2012, 07:26:16 PM »

Lucy somehow got the screen off of the window and is gone. I am just sick about this.
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« Reply #73 on: March 15, 2012, 07:35:41 PM »

Oh catmom, I feel your heartbreak Cry

Do you have any idea when she got out? 
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« Reply #74 on: March 15, 2012, 07:40:12 PM »

Oh No! Hugs and prayers that you will find her. Do you still have the trap? Maybe if you put food in it, she will come.

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