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« on: June 10, 2014, 12:55:17 PM »

As of yesterday, my 4th cat was diagnosed as hyperthyroid.
So now I have Sweetie Pie, (the matriarch of my household, and most of my cats' mother)  Esther ElizabethMc Tiggerty, and now Winifred.
Sweetie is Mc Tiggerty's and Winifred's mother, so perhaps that could be genetic.  I hope not because I have a bunch more of her litters.  and Esther Elizabeth was born in the same wildlife preserve across from my condo, so in all probability, she is a cousin or other close relative.
My vet says that they still have no idea why so many cats are becoming hyper thyroid lately.  AND I just found out I have several nodules on my thyroid too!!!  Makes me wonder about my water, it is the only things my cats and I eat in common.

So now I am giving Methimazole to all 4.   Tigger is large, so he gets 1 whole 5mg pill mornings and 1/2 pill nights.  the others all get 1/2 pill mornings and 1/4 pill at night.  So far everyone's blood work has improved to normal on this dosage.

I have been paying $50 for 100 pills, at my vets, and now with my 4th cat, I decided to shop around. Wish I had done that sooner. My vet said that the Meth. was a PEOPLE med, and I should look for discounts for animals at local pharmacies.
I have found that I can get the same 100 pills of Methimazole/Tapazol at the Costco Pharmacy for $15.89 !!!  If I fill all 4 prescriptions I will save $134 !!
Wow!! what a difference that is!!!  AND I do not have to be a member of the Costco club in order to use their pharmacy!
So anyone else who is paying far too much for their pet meds, SHOP AROUND.   I had no idea I could save so much money.  Am I the only one who didn't know that?   

I am happy to be back on Itchmo again.  I don't know what happened, but I wasn't able to get in.
Catbird fixed that,  so THANK YOU Catbird, very  much.  You did an outstanding job.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 01:13:22 PM »

I'm glad to see you back, BW!  It's so troubling to hear of all of your thyroid patients.  It's a good thing you found a less expensive source for the meds.  ugh!
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 01:15:45 PM »

I am so glad you are able to post again. But so sorry about all your kitties, and you having thyroid problems. Yes, med $$ do differ widely. Glad you are able to save money. Costco has a great pharmacy.
As for you having thyroid too....maybe a good sink water filter? Also new furniture materials, wasn't there something posted here about the fire retardant chemicals and thyroid issues ? Such an artificial and chemical world we are all in! Remember when the commercial for Dupont ( I think it was them) read "better living through chemistry?" Now the world is thinking twice about that.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 01:43:57 PM »

Oh man, pilling that many kitties morning and night - what incredible patience you have.  I hope they take their meds easily. 

That's amazing about that price difference!  If only they would offer you the appropriate price from the beginning, or at least tell you early on about how to find the discount.

Sending good thoughts to your little guys and to you, too.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 03:16:18 PM »

Glad that what I did worked to get you back in, BW! We missed you (and your kitties and your wildlife.)

It's kind of shocking that you have still another cat who is hyperthyroid, although, as you said, genetics could be a factor. (There is another person on the forum who had two sister cats both diagnosed hyperthyroid.) My own personal (admittedly unproven) hypothesis is that there may be a genetic predisposition, but then something in the environment "turns it on" so to speak. (This is known to happen with some cancers in humans.) Yes, flame retardants have been one thing considered as a possible cause, but so have supplemented iodine in cat food, too much iodine in cat food, too little iodine in cat food, variation in iodine in cat food, BPAs in cat food can linings, and probably other things as well.  Still, the fact that you have some thyroid nodules yourself may or may not be related.

I wish you and Winifred much luck, but I imagine you are an expert by now! It's great to hear that you found a cheaper source of the med, with that many to treat.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 03:36:54 PM »

Very glad you are back ! Sorry to hear about you and the kitties though , it does make you wonder what could be contributing to it . Great price on the meds, good work finding it . I always thought you had to be a member too.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 06:54:08 PM »

Glad you're back with us, BW, but sorry to hear you have more hyperT to deal with.  I hope you have everyone stablilized soon.  Here's a list of things some people think are contributing to hyperT in cats:

http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felinehyperthyroidism#What_are_the_causes_of_hyperthyroidism_
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2014, 09:02:36 PM »

BW,
Sorry to hear that you have another hyper-t kitty.  There is some theory that it may be genetic.  There are many other theories about causes, but nothing has been proven thus far.  It may very well be a combination of factors.

If you shop around, you may even find the methimazole cheaper than what you found at Costco.  Some of the chain pharmacies such as Walgreen, WalMart, Target, have some generic medications as low as $10-12 for a 3 month supply.  We always tell members on the Yahoo Feline Hyper-t Group to shop around for the best price in their area.  Vets are really greedy when it comes to the cost of the meds they dispense.  Methimazole is such an inexpensive drug that there is no way a vet should be charging $50 for 100 pills!

I'm glad to see you back!
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 09:09:57 PM »

Glad you are back BW! I'm sorry though, that you have yet another kitty with hyperthyroid. I really do wonder what causes it. My first cat was hyperthyroid but Thunder never had it. They both ate and drank the same food and water.

I'm glad you discovered you can get the medicine at Costco for cheaper! I used to get Thunder's lactulose at Target for $4 for 8 oz. I think it was $16 for 4oz at the vet. Definitely saved some money there!
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 04:20:59 AM »

So glad that you are able to sign into the forum again, BW. Cheesy

But so sorry to learn that you have yet another sick kitty to care for.  Sad

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 05:04:47 PM »

Hello everybody again, Fizzy, Meowli, August, Catbird, Leslie, Petslave, Mandy, and Ned,   good to be back too and able to say hello to you all again. 
Fortunately, Winifred is being really good about taking her med crushed up in some Friskies liver and chicken pate gravy.  That flavor has LOTS of gravy, and I just pour some gravy over the crushed med, and she licks it all up, and that's how I give it to Esther too.
I can't do that with Tiggerty and Sweety because they don't always eat ot lick up what I put in their dish, so it is very undependable.  I have to crush it and put it in a tiny big of food on the end of a spoon and cram it into their mouths.  they don't like it, but I can do it.  and fortunately they are nice cats and don't nip or scratch at me. 

Winifred had been losing weight, she used to be rolly polly, and now is only a normal weight, about 10 lbs.  She had stopped coming to eat with the others and didn't seem to have her normal appetite either.
Now she is showing up with the others and eating much better the short time she has been on the med, she eats whenever I give her something.  I've been feeding her privately, and she likes the special attention and purrs while she eats.  I am hoping I will see some meat start to accumulate on her little body again soon.  She is a sweet little cat.

I have been keeping Esther in her room for a while, she has been very fresh to Winifred, and I have seen her slap Winifred in the face when Winifred wasn't doing anything at all.  Esther has issues with everybody.  She is very fresh to the other cats.  At one time someone may have been hurtful to her, but now she evidently feels that an offense is the best defense and behaves accordingly to everybody. 
I put her in the big pen yesterday in the sunroom so she could get out of the bedroom and see everybody, but she didn't like that at all either, so today she is back in the bedroom.  I will wait till I think Winifred has stabilized and is stronger till I  let Esther have the run of the sunroom and kitchen again.  Winifred is a sweet little girl cat and never bothers anyone.   Esther is on Methimazole too, but that is no excuse for her behavior.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 05:07:59 PM »

Caylee, I just reread my message and I missed your name on my long list.  So hello again and thank you for your message!!!
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 05:39:22 PM »

Thanks for the special post, BW.

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2014, 11:39:54 AM »

Hello all.
Well, I just wrote a long message asking a question and lost the  whole thing and don't have the energy to write it again.
Sooo, without any explanation, can someone please advise me about any differences there could be in Methimazole/Tapazol  from different pharmacies, made by different manufacturers.
My  new CHEAPER $15 per 100 pills of Methimazole/tapazol pills from Costco don't look like the $50 per 100 pills pills from my vet.  Actually the Costco pills are easier to cut, and crush just as well if not better. And I don't have to pay to be a member in order to use their pharmacy!

Still I was concerned before I gave the cats the med, and called Rite Aid to see what they would charge, and discussed the difference in manufacturers.
A Rite Aid pharmacist told me that the appearance, size etc. of the pill had nothing at all to do with the medication, and that Methiamzole was Methimazole regardless of the size and appearance of the pills had nothing to do with the medication.  It was just that different manufacturers produced different looking pills sometimes

So I went ahead and gave my Costco methimazole to my cats and now no one wants to eat anything.  That is, my cats that got the new meds.
The other cats ate the food that Tigger rejected, all 4 flavors of different food.
He wants something, but who knows what, and so now he is disgusted and is out lying down in the sunroom.  Sweetie doesn't like what I offered her either. Winifred seems ok, but hasn't asked for food, and ESther is asleep.

So does anyone have any opinions or experience with meds that look different from different manufacturers. (that is, the generic meds.)
Could it just be that my cats don't want the food for another reason?  It is 93 out here, but my house is comfortable at 77 or less depending on the room.  So I don't think it could be the heat.

I am worried about giving the next dose this evening. 

BTW,  Walgreen charges $22 per 100, and you have to pay $35 a year to be a member of their prescription club.  Rite Aid charges $10.49 per 100 pills, the cheapest yet, and you don't have to pay to join anything.  I can't understand how my vet can charge $50 per 100. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2014, 12:19:08 PM »

BW,
There shouldn't be a difference in the medication itself.  Methimazole is methimazole.  I would not panic with the first dose since it is very possible that something else is affecting the cats' appetite.  In any case, any issue wouldn't present itself within such a short time after giving the pill.  Think of how many times your cats have had days when they didn't want the food you offered! 

I don't know if the pills your vet gave you were human "Brand" Tapazole or "generic" methimazole.  They could look different just because of this fact.  Human Tapazole does cost more than the generic.  There is a veterinary "Brand" of methimazole as well called Felimazole.  It is also more expensive than the generic methimazole that has been used for years for cats without any issues.  Of course, there may be slight differences in a pill's appearance from different manufacturers, but it is usually color, shape, or kind of filler.  However, by law, the medication itself has to be bioequivalent.  Give it some time before worrying about whether the appetite issue is the pill.
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