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« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2009, 07:59:22 AM » |
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Your good wishes and prayers are so welcome. IQ sends her lovable head butts for mom to quit
water-boarding her with bad tasting stuff.
IQ's mom has a problem and needs advice. IQ has become such a good pill hider and pill expeller
because she's been practicing for two and a half years on high blood pressure medication and
Pepcid AC. She really is a pro and gets her tongue going at the sight of a pill shooter. Plus IQ hates
water, especially shot into her mouth.
So, my vet's staff is a little impatient and just says to "squirt" 6 cc's of water after pill. Okay, they're
not trying this on IQ.
So what I'm doing so far, is
the doxy has to be given on stomach with food in it.
I fill numerous syringes, 3 cc and 6 cc with water in them and sit them in a coffee cup
Have a roll of paper towels handy
Wait for Q to finish food and start to walk away
Grab Q gently and shoot capsule down
start syringing in water, which immediately starts to leak out of mouth
Tip head up and wait for swallow
Keep that procedure up through about 12 cc's of water
IQ wants to remind mom this is not famous prison on Cuban shores. Any ideas on how to make this easier? Thanks
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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2009, 09:08:58 AM » |
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The first thing I thought of when reading your Ordeal is this. You don't want her to get any eating aversion right now, so maybe you should let her walk away from her food and wait just a few minutes before the doxy routine  As far as the waterboarding, LOL, I got nuthin  I am so lucky, knock on wood, that Scooby will eat anything food related, even with meds in it. ...... so far  Hope someone here has some great ideas. Good luck.  |
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« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2009, 09:40:14 AM » |
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IQ's mom I have a suggestion.
Rufus was always good at pill taking until this recent jaunt with the evil Baytril and flagyl tabs (Rufus always did wonderfully well with the capsules) which had to be administered the same way you are giving the doxy.
The pharmacist I spoke to when I picked up the pills said feed Rufus, pill him, follow with pieces of something he absolutely loves, in this case, chicken.
After giving the favorite solid food (a chunk requiring some chewing) then follow with the 6+ cc's of water.
The reason this works is the following:
If the pill does not get pushed down far enough and you follow with water, the pill will start to disolve too far up and kitty can taste it and it is really crummy for them. The solid food to push it down gets it to go down farther so when you add the water, they don't get the taste coming back up their throats.
Continuing to send prayers for both you and IQ that the doxy is the final solution to getting rid of this nasty infection
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« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2009, 09:58:47 AM » |
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Thanks, Peg. That would be chicken breast minced.
Vet just called to advise that I give Pepcid one half hour before eating, right before eating hylluronic acid, doxy plus 6 cc's of water, then food with FortiFlora, phosphorous blockers, Dasuquin in it. Then two hours later the high blood pressure med.
I'll try both options and see how it goes in terms of no vomitting. Hope one of them is right for Q.
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« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2009, 10:02:04 AM » |
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3cat- I think Peg's idea of a piece of food to help get the pill down might help. Lots of sympathy over the med/food schedule coming your way.
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« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2009, 10:07:43 AM » |
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JJ n Westiegirl, it is an interesting site. At some point, you have to pick a solution and go with
it. Solutions there are in homeopathy and vets. Too bad they don't get together too often
and find out which work best for all our pets.
3cat I use homeopathy solutions first before going the doctor route for hoomans and will do the same should Foxy Lady need it ever. This site gives one options thats for sure. What your going thru with IQ I have to give you lots of credit in finding the least upsetting way to go about giving the meds, etc. and the suggestions by others on here who want to help. |
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« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2009, 10:19:01 AM » |
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3cat, Sending good thoughts for your regimen with IQ! You wrote that you were tipping her head, after syringing the water. I found this information: Do folks here think this would be the way to syringe water, after a pill? (I struggle with liquids more than pills). "Liquid medications are given in a pouch between the teeth and cheek. The medication is quickly squirted into this pouch, the mouth is held closed and the neck stroked or the nose sharply blown on to encourage the cat to swallow. Liquids are more likely to accidentally enter the windpipe compared to pills or capsules. To avoid the cat inhaling liquid into the windpipe, DO NOT tilt the cat's head backward." Here's a picture: http://www.albanyvet.com/cat/oral/liquid.jpg |
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2009, 10:38:58 AM » |
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Sending good thoughts 3cat. The only way I can pill Socks is to crush and mix with baby food and syringe it in, she is now fond of Gerber baby turkey so that is working for me. Best of luck to you pilling is hard and they do get to be experts at holding the pills and spitting them out later.
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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2009, 12:09:59 PM » |
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spartycats, great link about liquids and cats.
I was taught a loooooong time ago to never tilt the kitty's head back when giving liquids.
The cheek pouch is the best way to do it.
Tilting the head back can cause kitty to possibly aspirate some of the liquid.
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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2009, 06:11:45 PM » |
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Thanks a lot, guys, for the suggestions on how to get the water down. Shooting the capsule with pill shooter
is not a problem. But getting the water down is. When I was told to hold the mouth and tip head up, I thought
aspirate, too.
So I'm going to pay for an appointment and take Q in and have these guys, who are used to doing this, show me,
like I did when I started on subq fluids administration. They are so good at giving meaningless directions I think because
the vets and vet techs are so used to doing it. I believe they forget how to simplfy it enough for the pet owner after a while.
In the mean time, Q is going to get me for waterboarding, because I'm going overboard on total volume of water until we
get this procedure down to prevent esophageal strictures I'm praying with the doxycycline. So far we've not had vomitting
or choking on the water. IQ is not salivating with the capsules. But Q now has the cleanest chest in all catdom from all the
leaked water. Bless her heart. She just kind of looks at me like why are you soaking me? But she's putting up with the
process and seems to like the toweling and hugs and kisses and combing.
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« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2009, 06:27:43 PM » |
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Its a good thing Q is so easy going with all she has had to put up with over the last 2 years ! Also a good thing she has such a good meowmie !
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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2009, 08:15:19 PM » |
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Ned had a great short video of giving Thunder water via syringe, can't remember what thread that was on.
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« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2009, 08:21:45 PM » |
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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2009, 07:27:53 AM » |
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Thanks you so much for the technique tips. It is getting easier and Q does not seem to mind the
straight water near as much as the bad taste.
Q's the special case here, not me. Fighting for every day of quality of life for such a great cat
spirit is really easy because she's so very lovable.
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« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2009, 07:23:10 PM » |
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IQ got her revenge today. The vet tech couldn't do it on her own because Q's pretty smart. So the
harder the tech tried to get 6 cc's of water in, the faster Q spit it out. The vet didn't even try. It took
the two of them working together to get water in this cat. Their combined best advice was to keep
pumping water in Q following the pill until I'm sure it's at least 6 cc's total. Wish I'd had a video camera.
I can't imagine where IQ learned to be so stubborn at times, but she sure can be. Must know a hot tempered
Irish-person somewhere and have learned to be stubborn there.
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