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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2009, 10:05:24 PM » |
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3cat- Does it need to be a sterile sample to retest for blood & glucose ? If not you could try to get enough at home for the retest & avoid the stress of the vet visit for IQ.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2009, 06:11:35 AM » |
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Funny you guys should ask. As it turned out, I had the vet call Antech Labs yesterday and
ask if they had enough of a urine sample left from Tuesday to do the culture and sensitivity
test on IQ's urine sample taken on Tuesday. Antech did. So she didn't get a repeat trip to vet's
and ultrasound guided needle. I just went in and paid for the test and picked up the blood test CBC
and UA results. I agree that Q does not need more stress in her life or more visits to the vet's if
they can be avoided, and this one procedure was able to be avoided. Antech was saving the urine
sample in case the vet wanted to run a Fructosamine test on it. Q has shown stress high glucose
before, and some normal glucose tests in office. So the vet voted against doing that again right
now, because she will be rechecked for UTI in the next month.
As far as homeopathic medicine, sharky, I'm open to all suggestions, all of which I run by the vet.
He's not totally opposed to homeopathy, nor am I. So please offer any thoughts, and thank you ...
I'm feeding this cat with homemade food from Donald Strombeck book and Wellness wet Turkey and
Chicken. So I guess I'm doing homeopathy already.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2009, 12:00:32 PM » |
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Enterococcus UTI? Anyone know anything about it? I can't use Amoxicillin on IQ.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2009, 12:46:56 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2009, 01:24:40 PM » |
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Thank you so much, Carol, as always.
Doxycycline in oral liquid suspension is what I'm on my way to pick up and start treatment with. Anyone have
any experience with that? That and FortiFlora, which I know IQ will not eat a whole lot of. Thanks ...
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2009, 06:57:03 PM » |
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I hope the doxycycline gets rid of that infection for IQ Interesting info from a European UTI article (put out by Hills!): http://www.fecava.org/files/ejcap/636.pdf"Antibiotics are chosen based on urine sediment results (cocci or rods). Rods in acidic urine may represent E. coli while in alkaline urine they may represent Proteus spp. Cocci in acidic urine may represent Enterococcus spp. while in alkaline urine Staphylococcus spp. is more likely. Appropriate antibiotics should be given for two to three weeks in uncomplicated cases.[4] Special caution is needed with the use of fluoroquinolones because of the potential risk for retinal degeneration. As renal impairment is often associated with UTI, it is speculated that with decreased renal function fluoroquinolones may accumulate which would require dosage reduction and monitoring for mydriasis" Some herbal remedies listed here, but I think I'd research them further for use in cats: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/urinary-tract-infection-in-cats-and-dogs.html |
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2009, 07:29:00 PM » |
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Trooper & I both took doxy for Lyme disease. No problems except some diarrhea for Trooper & a really bad sunburn for me.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2009, 09:49:13 PM » |
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I hope the doxycycline gets rid of that infection for IQ Interesting info from a European UTI article (put out by Hills!): http://www.fecava.org/files/ejcap/636.pdf"Antibiotics are chosen based on urine sediment results (cocci or rods). Rods in acidic urine may represent E. coli while in alkaline urine they may represent Proteus spp. Cocci in acidic urine may represent Enterococcus spp. while in alkaline urine Staphylococcus spp. is more likely. Appropriate antibiotics should be given for two to three weeks in uncomplicated cases.[4] Special caution is needed with the use of fluoroquinolones because of the potential risk for retinal degeneration. As renal impairment is often associated with UTI, it is speculated that with decreased renal function fluoroquinolones may accumulate which would require dosage reduction and monitoring for mydriasis" Some herbal remedies listed here, but I think I'd research them further for use in cats: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/urinary-tract-infection-in-cats-and-dogs.htmlInteresting! When Mandy had her bladder stone and UTI incident, her urine was alkaline (thus the struvite stones), but her urine culture grew E. coli and Enterococcus!  We used Clavamox to treat. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2009, 07:11:44 AM » |
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Mandycat, can't use penicillin in any form on IQ. According to culture and sensivity which identified Entercoccus,
the penicillin would work, but it almost killed IQ last year when she got Clavamox which was followed up by
Amoxicillin. Q went into shock and almost died in a period of 3 days. So that's out.
Am having trouble with liquid Doxycycline. Q foams at that mouth when she tastes the liquid. First flavoring was
chicken pot pie n bacon. Went back to vet's last night to get Tuna flavor. No difference. Both times I gave it,
she foamed at the mouth immediately.
I am told that the Doxycycline pills can cause strictures and scarring of the esophagus and have to be followed
up with at least 6 cc's of water immediately. Anyone ever done it?
Also, FortiFlora contains Enterococcus on the ingredients list. Do I really want to give her more? Is there a better probiotic anyone knows of?
Q has trouble cleaning because of hip arthritis. How often would you all use alcohol free baby wipes in an attempt to help?
Culture and sensitivity results : Enterococcus, greater than 100,000 CFU/ML of Gram Positive organisms
Sensitive to
Ampicillin, Amoxicillin, Chloramphenicol, Doxycycline, Gentamicin (High Conc.), Streptomycin (High Conc.)
Urine pH on June 3 was 6.0
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2009, 07:38:52 AM » |
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3cat- can you put the liquid doxy in empty capsules ? On the probiotics you can just open a capsule of acidophilus & mix with water in her food dish,then add the food. I had used the bluebonnet brand which is a powder & has pre & probiotics,but its hard to find. I had to have the health food store order it & its $15 a bottle. That wasn't cost effective with 5.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2009, 07:44:00 AM » |
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The dose is 1 ml twice a day. I do have Number 4 empty capsules. But then I run into the caught in throat problem I think.
Anyway, will try it out and see how many capsules it takes. Thanks petslave, mandycat, and lesliek.
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2009, 07:50:31 AM » |
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3cat- Can IQ have fish oil ? You could try puuting a little on 1 end of the capsule to help keep it going down.Don't try it if IQ is hard to pill,because it will make it harder to hold on to.
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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2009, 08:15:47 AM » |
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Good idea on the fish oil. I think I am going to see what the Doxycycline pills look like, see if I can
crush them into 1 gel cap, because it would take about 4 gel caps for 1 ml of liquid. Fish oil it down
with a pill shooter and follow it up with 6 cc's of water to make sure it's down. I've been giving Q
blood pressure med and famotadine for over two years now daily. So I'm a crack shot ... lol I'm real
worried here, though, that in a 19 year old with a compromised immune system, this is pretty tough.
So hopefully, since she hasn't had a UTI since January 2007, if we can stop this one, Q might be OK
for a while.
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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2009, 09:36:26 AM » |
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I made my own fish paste to mix the meds in and then oral syringed them - I took a can of tuna and pureed it in the food processor, adding enough water for the right consistancy. I put a little little unmedicated paste in the syringe first, then the paste with meds added, then more unmedicated. This seemed to work well with even the more bitter meds (didn't try it with flagyl though). Maybe you could do this with the already fishy doxy to mask the taste even further.
I read several on-line articles last month that said ALL pet meds in pill form should be followed by water because they all have the potential to stick in the throat & erode the esophagus. One article compared it to us swallowing an aspirin tab with no water. We don't do it but we expect our pets to be fine with it.
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