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« on: May 11, 2009, 07:44:16 AM » |
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Would it be okay to make one of the (cooked) renal recipes with ground lamb? One of my crf kitties really likes the recipe I make her with chicken breast. But I would like to try something else. Kitty has pretty much stopped eating commercial canned and doesn't eat kibble any more. So I'd like her to have some more variety. Turkey makes her pukey, and she doesn't care for chicken thighs. She occasionally seems to like the lamb Nature's Variety. I don't use pork. (I've not tried beef, because she has a dermatitis, or something, on one flank. She's had it for months. The vet gave antibiotic and steroids, but I stopped the steroid early, as I'm opposed to further suppressing her immune system at this point, and she wasn't doing well with one or the other of the meds). Over the months, I've learned that she favors potato over rice, really likes baby food peas and carrots. I always add pumpkin, and usually some egg whites. I try to leave chicken liver out sometimes, but she doesn't eat as well as when it's in the recipe. I always add taurine, eggshell powder, vitamin b, vitamin e, salmon oil.
Any advice on a recipe using lamb would be very much appreciated!
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« Last Edit: May 11, 2009, 09:28:29 AM by Spartycats »
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2009, 07:52:22 AM » |
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If turkey & chicken thighs bother her, lamb may also. They are all higher in fat. I didn't check the nutrient levels of lamb versus the chicken or turkey though. If its any help ,Remy who does well on chicken breast, can't eat beef , lamb, or bison. He does seem to be ok with a little pork , salmon or mahi mahi .
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 08:02:09 AM » |
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Thanks, LeslieK, I hadn't thought about the fat upsetting her system. She is a very skinny cat, now, but holding her weight since I've been cooking for her. I might try pork, but haven't ever cooked pork. My local specialty grocery has bison and elk, which I've never cooked in my life either.  She's never been a fan of fish. It was easier when I could supplement with some Fancy Feast, or Wellness, but now she just takes a little taste and looks at me until I bring her chicken recipe. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2009, 08:26:35 AM » |
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I would check the fat amount in the foods she does well with & try to find another protein source with similar fat content. I've never looked at Emu,Ostrich or elk so don't know about them. Have you tried rabbit ? You can usually find some of them at a local butcher. They will cost more , but if its just for an occasional change of protein it shouldn't be too bad. Have you tried venison ? That worries me a little with the wasting disease though. Remy does ok with both rabbit & venison as long as its only once in a while. Most game meats are high in fat though.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 09:12:25 AM » |
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Spartycats,
Lamb is fine! Fat is good for CRF cats - it adds valuable calories, helps keep stools soft, and is generally low in phosphorus. If you can get pastured lamb, more the better because that fat has useful omega 3 fatty acids, too!
Good luck!
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2009, 10:53:18 AM » |
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Hi Spartycats,
My rule with my CRF girl is give her whatever she wants to eat if she is not eating well. Having said that, not everyone has that philosophy, so here are some facts about the meats in question (from the Canadian Nutrient Database):
Lamb, lean, cooked 100g:
Protein g 28.22 Total Fat g 9.52 Phosphorus mg 210 Potassium mg 344 Energy (kcal) kCal 206
Turkey leg, no skin, cooked 100g:
Protein g 29.19 Total Fat g 3.77 Phosphorus mg 204 Potassium mg 258 Energy (kcal) kCal 159
Bison sirloin, cooked, 100g:
Protein g 28.05 Total Fat g 5.65 Phosphorus mg 253 Potassium mg 387 Energy (kcal) kCal 171
Elk, tenderloin lean only, 100g:
Protein g 30.76 Total Fat g 3.41 Phosphorus mg 285 Potassium mg 392 Energy (kcal) kCal 162
Rabbit, domestic, composite cuts, stewed, 100g:
Protein g 30.38 Total Fat g 8.41 Phosphorus mg 226 Potassium mg 300 Energy (kcal) kCal 206
Ostrich, ground, cooked, panbroiled 100g:
Protein g 26.15 Total Fat g 7.07 Phosphorus mg 224 Potassium mg 323 nergy (kcal) kCal 175
So, lamb seems like a good option as it is higher in fat (provides calories) and comparable to turkey leg in phosphorus. Bison, elk and rabbit cuts are higher in phosphorus. All have good protein and fairly comparable potassium.
Rabbit is notoriously low in taurine, so make sure you add it to your recipe.
As long as elk is farmed and USDA stamped, there is little risk of CWD.
If you decide to try bison, unless you will be purchasing a cut such as New York, tenderloin or ribeye, you will have to stew it for at least 8 hours in a slow cooker. If you opt for a steak, the meat cooks very quickly as it does not have marbled fat like a beef steak (about 1/2 the time in a frying pan). Anything beyond medium-rare will be tough and chewy. Ground bison can be dry and chewy if not prepared properly.
Hope this helps with a decision.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2009, 11:03:48 AM » |
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Thank you all for your thoughts! I will be experimenting.  Thank you, Bug, for the nutritional info!
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2009, 02:05:05 PM » |
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I hope this is a viable option for your kitty, SpartyCats. Maybe Cato has some input on this, too.
That's a very helpful breakdown, bug.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2009, 03:44:27 PM » |
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Sorry, guys, I only just saw this today. I've not heard lamb causing pblems with CRF kitties, Spartycats. As Bug mentioned, lamb is very high on fats, but cats as a general rule process fats better than carbohydrates as an energy source. What lamb part will you be using? Since this is a cooked recipe, perhaps you can separate some of the fat from the lamb before processing? Spartycats: I'll tinker a bit with lamb, babyfood and potato today and make a new lamb-based renal recipe for your kitty, Spartycats. 
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