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Author Topic: Feline Chronic Renal Failure  (Read 1292 times)
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kaffe
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2008, 12:54:29 PM »

This is a very inspiring site on the battle against CRF in cats.  I just love reading this over and over again becuase it is soooo helpful and encouraging:

http://www.surroundedbycats.com/10Emma.htm

I MUST read for those whose cats have been newly diagnosed.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2008, 01:34:53 PM »

Petslave, thanks for posting this site and bringing it to everyone's attention.  Vets charge a considerable amount more than regular pharmacies do.  In California, the vets have to give you a prescription for a drug if you ask for one, rather than having them administer the meds.  Bags of fluid at Costco seem to be the cheapest out here, at $16 per case.  My vet was charging me $18 per bag until I found this site!

Needles are more difficult to get.  I tried one online source, and it was such a hassle (needed verification from the vet that the needles were for my kitty and NOT for me to shoot up heroin) that I gave up buying online.  I also found that 20 gauge ultra thin wall needles were much easier and smoother to insert than the larger 18 gauge needles.  I thought it would take longer to get the fluids in through a smaller needle, but it wasn't a noticeable amount of time difference.  I noticed a difference in how the kitties react to the smaller needle, too.  With the larger ones, there was usually a little "whimper" when I inserted it.  With the 20 gauge ultra thin walls, I didn't have that reaction from them.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2008, 04:51:08 PM »

Nabyia,
I'm so lucky to be able to get all my fluids and needles from my vet, for a good cost. the needles she gives Me for free.
I haven't read all this yet, but when you said needles were hard to get- i used to order mine from a book, i think it might be online now. called -Revolution.
they have good prices, and you can order almost anything you need.
Let Me know if you find it. It's for dogs and cats.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2008, 05:41:57 PM »

There's a good section on that site about vets & the law regarding them refusing to give out prescriptions for the supplies. 

There's also good info about needle sizes too.  Those thin-walled Terimos (sp) seem to be the favorite to use, but I would have to order those since my vet just has the standard thicker walled monojects.  And those are definitely like sticking a nail into the cat.  I would love to get the thin walled ones to make it less gross for me & less painful for Tessa.

There seem to be a number of the chain pharmacies that carry fluids.  But looks like you have to order the lines & needles, or get them from the vet.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2008, 12:29:12 PM »

I was just checking back in and found the thread on CRF. 

If you can get the prescriptions from your vet, I highly recommend Brico Medical Supplies for fluids, lines and needles, etc.  They have a specific section for CRF.  Shipping is cheaper on the east coast, if you're on the west coast, check out Thriving Pets.  I just lost my Sammie girl after managing this disease for 5 1/2 years.  Fortunately, she was very good at doing fluids and taking her meds -- I don't have any hints or tips on that -- except to say one thing that helped me was that I asked Sam how she wanted things done, and then experimented until I finally figured out what she was trying to communicate.  For example, she got her fluids while we sat on the floor, with her in my lap on a throw pillow and blanket over that (to even out my crossed legs).  Any time I tried up on a table or anywhere above ground level, she was all over the place.  Definitely get the Terumo 20 gauge Ultra Thin wall needles. 


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Links: http://www.bricomedicalsupplies.com/CRFpage.html
http://www.thrivingpets.com/home.php
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2008, 03:24:59 PM »

Gee, Kaffee, I kind of hated the photos of the kitty restraints.  Especially the ones covering their whole faces with only a small hole by the mouth.  Yikes, that would really make me hysterical, if I were a cat.
I just put a regular old vet plastic CONE over my Scout's head, and that is fine.  the kind of cone you get so they can't scratch healing incisions etc.  He isn't crazy about it, but it doesn't make him too crazy.   I give lactated ringers to two of my old cats.  One just eats his snacks while I do it, and the other, Old Scout, I put the cone on, just so he won't bite me.   He used to try to get away, but I surrounded him with pillows on the bed, and kind of held him down, and now he accepts the process.
I am upset about him now because he has started losing weight.  He is diabetic too, and also hyper thyroid.  He takes insulin twice a day, but had to stop the thyroid  meds because they are very damaging for his kidneys.
I must make a vet apt. tomorrow.  I belong to the CRF group and they are very helpful.  They recommended the Terumo needles which are much sharper and don't hurt as much though they are just as fast.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2008, 03:41:02 PM »

Petslave, I also belong to the crf group and I know what you mean.  I also had to give myself a vacation for a little while, it was so sad sometimes.  But I am back again there now because my Old Scoutie is beginning to lose a lot of weight, and I need more advice.  It is an enormously helpful group.  they told me where to get my lactated ringers online and also the great Terumo needles, which have saved a lot of money and made giving the ringers a lot easier.
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2008, 03:48:54 PM »

Awknddragon, Yes, I use Brico also, and they are very nice to do business with.  I buy my ringers by the case with the tubing giving sets with it.  And I use the Terumo, large bore needles also.  You are right, the cats don't mind them nearly as much as the ones the vet used to give me.  it saves a lot of money.
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2008, 09:22:58 PM »

Aw, Pam, I'm so sorry you lost your Sammie girl after 5 years of treatment.  You get so close to them when they go through chronic illness, really gives you the time to get to know & appreciate them on a deeper level.  But it hurts so much to see them slowly lose the battle over time.  Sounds like she was a good little trooper and that's really great you were able to read her preferences for subq treatment.

BW - Scout sounds like a handful!  That pillow & cone method sounds effective, bet it makes for a funny picture wedging him in like that.

The muzzles do look barbaric, but when they put one on my feral at the vets office, she calms right down & I'm sure it's much less stressful on her to not be so freaked out.  (Plus she can't bite the vet techs, like she does without one)
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2008, 02:33:10 AM »

Gee, Kaffee, I kind of hated the photos of the kitty restraints.  Especially the ones covering their whole faces with only a small hole by the mouth.  Yikes, that would really make me hysterical, if I were a cat.
I just put a regular old vet plastic CONE over my Scout's head, and that is fine.  the kind of cone you get so they can't scratch healing incisions etc.  He isn't crazy about it, but it doesn't make him too crazy.   I give lactated ringers to two of my old cats.  One just eats his snacks while I do it, and the other, Old Scout, I put the cone on, just so he won't bite me.   He used to try to get away, but I surrounded him with pillows on the bed, and kind of held him down, and now he accepts the process.
I am upset about him now because he has started losing weight.  He is diabetic too, and also hyper thyroid.  He takes insulin twice a day, but had to stop the thyroid  meds because they are very damaging for his kidneys.
I must make a vet apt. tomorrow.  I belong to the CRF group and they are very helpful.  They recommended the Terumo needles which are much sharper and don't hurt as much though they are just as fast.

LOL --- honestly, I've never had to use any of these restraints on my cats - not even the cone... I just found that site and thought about if and when I will ever have to give one of my cats fluids.

I'm sooo sorry that your sweet Sammie lost her battle with CRF... {{{hugs}}}
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