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3catkidneyfailure
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« on: August 19, 2008, 01:42:53 PM » |
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In the process of confirming this with my vet, but for those of you treating crf (chronic renal failure) kitties, I need to relate this experience as a note of caution on a possible drug interaction.
Both my two cats have been on blood pressure medication, Norvasc (generic name Amlodipine), one-quarter of a 2.5 mg tablet, for over a year for high blood pressure as a result of renal failure.
One cat's dosage was about two weeks ago increased to one-half of a 2.5 mg tablet of Amlodipine, and the cat seemed fine with this dosage increase and was behaving normally.
Periactin (Cyproheptadine hydrochloride aka Cypro) is used as an appetite stimulant for crf kitties whose appetites go down. The usual vet recommended dosage is often one-half daily of a 4mg Periactin (Cypro) tablet to start and see if this brings about increased eating without some well known but usually harmless side effects.
About day three of this combination of blood pressure med and appetite stimulant, my cat was just flat. Eating and no vomitting or diarrhea, but just laying there really lethargic and with a definite personality change to just too quiet, no personality, and a little bit disoriented.
Called vet, who said to check for femoral pulse. I could not get one. That apparently means the blood pressure is probably too low.
Therefore, the conclusion seems to be that if your crf cat is on blood pressure medicine and is using Periactin (Cypro) to pick up appetite, be sure the vet thinks about the combination effects of the two medications. Stopped Cypro, lowered dosage of blood pressure med, and cat behavior returned to normal by the next day. This is a perhaps not often considered complication you can run into and one to keep in mind should your cats be taking both medications. Much human side effect information on the internet mentions possible lower blood pressure from Periactin/Cypro, but most of the feline information does not say much about it. Scary, though, and just something to keep in mind based on this pet parent's experience.
Did not have a problem with Periactin/Cypro when both my cats were on the one-quarter 2.5 mg tablet blood pressure medicine dose. But the one that has gone up to one-half of a 2.5 mg tablet amount sure did. Just be careful and ask your vet. Hopefully it won't happen, but the first vet I talked to was not even aware that Periactin/Cypro could lower blood pressure.
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catwoods
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 01:50:24 PM » |
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Glad your kitty bounced back from that low blood pressure episode, 3cats. That's an important medicine interaction to watch out for.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 04:41:47 PM » |
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Just got off the phone with my regular vet who confirms that Periactin/Cypro can cause lowered blood pressure, and the combo of Norvasc/Amlodipine and Periactin/Cypro could result in too low of a blood pressure. Does not do this always, but is possible, especially in kitties treated for chronic renal failure with high blood pressure. So it's another thing to put in the information you collect and keep in mind on chronic renal failure with high blood pressure pet parent file.
Ask your vet how to feel for a femoral pulse before you need it, too. A little tricky ...
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« Last Edit: August 19, 2008, 04:45:48 PM by 3catkidneyfailure »
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 04:54:21 PM » |
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Thank you for the information. Very glad the kitty bounced back from such a scary ordeal.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 05:06:10 PM » |
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I'm glad for the bounce back, too. My little girls are on life eight and something, and I wouldn't give up one lovable minute intentionally. Their behavior seems to be the best guide on what questions to ask.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 07:10:11 PM » |
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Thank you so much for that information, 3Cat. Thank goodness kitty is okay.
Would the femoral pulse be felt in the inner thigh?
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Orange Fuzzball
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 07:23:56 PM » |
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Thanks so much for sharing this, 3cat. KD is on a blood pressure med (benazepril aka Fortekor) for her CRF and also gets Periactin for appetite. She's been on this combo for a year with no apparent ill effects, but I'll be sure to ask the vet at our next visit what I should be looking out for. But her reaction to Periactin is a little backwards - it causes sedation in most cats but agitation in her - so hopefully she's dodged this bullet.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 07:45:26 PM » |
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JustMe, that's right on the femoral pulse. Tricky thing is to make sure your thumb is on the outside of the thigh. Your thumb has its own pulse; so you can't use your thumb to check. You have to be up by the joint on the inside of the thigh using your index finger and not press hard enough to stop the pulse on a little 10 or 20 pound animal. It's kind of easier if they show you in the vet's office.
OF, the dosages are accurate above, but I do not know what they would be using the blood pressure med KD is on. I didn't have a problem until my blood pressure med was increased either, and the vet said this does not happen for everyone. But you can't miss the lethargic symptoms of too low blood pressure: laying there really still and with a definite personality change to just too quiet, no personality, and a little bit disoriented. My cat also was still able to walk, but was walking very slowly and very gingerly. My cat has no additional heart valve murmurs, but if a cat does, apparently that also increases chances of this blood pressure med and Periactin/Cypro interaction driving the blood pressure too low.
The advice I got from the vet was to immediately stop the Periactin/Cypro, lower the blood pressure med dosage by one-half. The vet also advised a course of action from here on, but that's probably not relevant to any cat but mine. Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else's crf kitty, but I think maybe less scary if you know about it.
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Sandi K
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 10:37:03 PM » |
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3Cat, Im sorry to hear about this but am glad you and the vet figured it out. This is another thing that makes me very angry about the toxic pet food. PFC's if you are reading this, see the results of your 2007 pet food recalls?
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 06:59:42 AM » |
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Having been at this now since January 2007, there is a very special, heart deep bond which develops from caring for this difficult, treatment intensive crf disease hour by hour and trying to give the highest quality of life you can to your furkid family members.
But I join with Sandi in condemning the pet food companies who continue to can and bag and pouch deadly ingredients for our furkids to eat and the government regulators who are failing to make it impossible for this to happen again to the next generation of innocent furkids and trusting pet parents.
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Orange Fuzzball
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 08:11:40 PM » |
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I think Norvasc is a different class of medication than Fortekor. I did a quick search on the generic names, and it looks like they work in totally different ways. So it may only be an issue for certain blood pressure medications.
KD gets a lower dose of Periactin. She started on half a 4 mg tablet as needed, but she had too many side effects so I cut it down to a quarter tablet.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2008, 10:27:58 AM » |
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Thank you, OF. More questions to ask the vet about benazepril(brand name Fortekor) and amlodipine(brand name Norvasc), and maybe time for medication changes. I would like not to go through this again. CRF cat just laying flat on the floor is a real heart stopper for the pet parent.
Will also experiment with lower dosage of Periactin/Cypro and see if it works to increase appetite when needed.
Just file this owner experience away because I'm not a vet, and if your furkid is on both blood pressure medication and appetite stimulant, ask your vet questions about dosage levels and possible interactions.
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