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Author Topic: Puppy Pads and Kitty CRF accidents  (Read 24441 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2010, 02:17:26 PM »

These would not work with my cats, either.  I'd have to rivet them to the floor!  Everything I've tried that can be wrinkled up, is wrinkled up, or clawed to shreds, which defeats its purpose in catching "overages."

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2010, 03:24:29 PM »

Ah, yes. My previous catboy Tyler had been a scratcher/shredder. Anything movable in, around, under the box would be scratched, shredded and deposited inside the box. These would never have worked with him. His technique was why I had started sticking the plastic adhesive drawer liner stuff under the boxes. Trista would soak everything around the box and Tyler would shred everything around the box - it was a real challenge to keep things clean. With the current threesome, the shredding days seem to be a thing of the past.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2010, 04:54:01 AM »

catbird - rivet them to the floor, LOL! Thx for my morning laugh.

Foxy would just play with something like that as she likes to ruffle up and then shove the pillows and covers off the bed. Silly babies they all are.

That tray really looks good mikken with a low front on it.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2010, 06:20:53 AM »

There does seem to be a problem with the scented puppy pads. Q is now no longer going into the box to shoot over the sides, just standing on the pads, which are not keeping up with crf in single thickness as well as newspapers or several thicknesses of paper towels.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2010, 06:35:34 AM »

There does seem to be a problem with the scented puppy pads. Q is now no longer going into the box to shoot over the sides, just standing on the pads, which are not keeping up with crf in single thickness as well as newspapers or several thicknesses of paper towels.

3cat,
I'm not sure what you are saying - that Q is preferring to pee on the pads because they are scented?  I'd rule out that there is not an infection brewing again, and this is merely coincidence.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2010, 06:44:23 AM »

I thought the scent might be attracting her to the pad, yes. Isn't that what it's supposed to
do and why it's added?

We did have a follow up check a few weeks ago ten days after UTI treatment and all was clear. You really think this quick the UTI's could be returning? This is her second UTI. Do they come in ever closer cycles as the kidney disease progresses?
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2010, 06:58:48 AM »

3Cat,

Did vet say it was related to CRF?  My CRF/CRI cats didn't have UTIs, one female, one male.  Davey hasn't had a UTI since he was a youngster.  Just wondering.

Maybe it's just easier for Q to pee on the pads.  Davey sometimes prefers the newspapers over the box even though he has no problem getting in and out of boxes or climbing.

I thought the scents were to attract dogs, not cats.  My cats were never attracted to the pads.  Just used them to help with absorption.  Newspaper seems to work better for us.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2010, 07:02:56 AM »

It's good that Q was checked out recently.  I don't really know if infections come closer together.  I just didn't think cats would be attracted to the same scent as puppies, but I guess it's possible.  See what Q does without the pad - if she'll go in the box.


JustMe- From the Merck Manual

"Young cats with feline lower urinary tract disease usually have bacteriologically sterile urine. However, 50% of geriatric cats with urinary tract disease have a bacterial UTI. Approximately two-thirds of those cats also have renal failure."
  
From http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2007&PID=18227&O=Generic

"An estimated 20 to 30% of cats with CRF have positive urine cultures in large numbers with or without classical signs of urinary tract infection. Whether this occurrence of UTI is likely the cause for the chronic renal damage or is now a threat to create more upper urinary tract infection is not known. We take the position that a UTI poses a threat to kidney function should the infection be active in the kidneys and so should be treated. It has been assumed that bacterial UTI occurs in this setting because the kidneys no longer elaborate maximally concentrated urine that previously protected the urinary tract from infection."
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2010, 07:40:19 AM »

JM, yes, the vet relates UTI's to kidney failure. Q never had a UTI in her entire life until last
couple of years. This is number two. Both treated with Doxycycline because penicillin is out
and Convenia shot and Zenaquin failed to cure it. So then did a culture and sensitivity.

Will get people pads today and try it. Q's been overshooting boxes for last year and a half. So
have to have something absorbent around there. Newspapers can sometimes leave ink on linoleum,
JM, on a very bad day or if not thick enough. So was hoping to find something else.

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2010, 02:11:54 AM »

3cats what about one or two of those flannel backed vinyl tablecloths from the dollar store ? With the flannel part facing the floor and the vinyl face up you could put newspapers over them tablecloth(s) and no residue from the newspaper would be on your floor and you could wipe the vinyl off with vinegar to kill any odor and disinfect at same time without using chemicals.
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2010, 06:30:01 AM »

Talk about a good, better, best idea, JJ; thank you! Will try it as even the most
expensive puppy pads can't always absorb enough even folded double. And at a low
cost, the vinyl could be replaced frequently. Already wrap the littler boxes in
kitchen tall garbage bags. Maybe the garbage bags under would help, too.
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2010, 07:47:17 PM »

I've tried the garbage bags underneath too - just setup a batch today to fill in after running out of pads.  Not bad but you'll want enough overlap to prevent seepage. That's the one advantage with the vinyl tablecloth - no seams, as long as you don't have a vigourous scratcher who pokes holes through it.
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2010, 08:01:59 PM »

3cats no problem. One thought w/putting slippery bags under the vinyl tablecloth. Don't want to make it slippery underneath when your babies walk on top and the flannel might slip and table cloth end up across the room!  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2010, 05:29:25 AM »

if you are trying to line with plastic, what about the heavy gauge gardening plastic they use for lining garden beds?
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2010, 07:25:58 AM »

I'll have to replace the laundry room floor and the bottom of one shower no matter what I do
at this point. But thank you for all the ideas. They are helping! And Q, bless her heart, is still
standing in the box and aiming over the side. As long as she tries, I will.
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