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catmom5
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« on: September 15, 2009, 04:31:28 AM »

I really hate to even ask this, but CJ is drinking more and more water and showing some signs of progression with her CRF. She's very inconsistent about eating the Wellness wet now, although she does like the Iams Renal Formula kibble (I KNOW!!!). My question is whether any of you with CRF cats are using FF and if so, which flavors. I really would like to have some options for wet food and hope that FF might entice her to eat more.

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 05:42:33 AM »

Of course it would be fitting that Sophers would be the first one to respond here catmom, LOL   Roll Eyes  She eats FF beef, FF turkey & giblets and FF chicken & liver flavors, all grain-free. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 06:18:51 AM »

Short of using Cypro pills to stimulate appetite, catmom, will use FF in flavors Sandi mentioned, but just
teaspoons on top of homemade or Wellness Chicken/Turkey to get food in during bad cycles if it will work.
Look forward to advice from others because it doesn't always work, and I hate what Cypro does to my two
even in small amounts, but at times necessary. Mine are 2.5+ years into renal failure.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 06:35:36 AM »

Good luck Catmom. I don't have any good information for you but you're in my thoughts and I hope to hear the best. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 07:22:14 AM »

FF Turkey & Giblets Gourmet Feast on a daily basis along with Wellness Turkey or Chicken wet.  Occasional FF Chicken, Ocean Whitefish.  We only use Gourmet Feast gluten-free varieties of both brands.  Believe there are less calories in FF and Friskies than in Wellness Turkey and Chicken.  So, you will need to feed more of them than you would of Wellness, IMO. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 07:31:59 AM »

Sorry to hear CJ's kidney issues may be progressing.  Maybe you could write FF and find out phosphorous levels, then you wouldn't have to worry about it as much.  I like 3cat's idea of using it on the other food as a starter.  Hope that works for you.

I haven't tried phosphorous binders, but could you find a food that she really likes and then just use that to lower P levels?  I'm not sure if you have to give different amounts for different foods, though.  The vet will be able to tell you or there might be more info on one of the CRF sites.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 07:42:22 AM »

Glad you mentioned phosphorus Petslave.  They sent me this information in 2007 re phosphorus.  That's why I stuck with the T&G, plus T&G does not have fish.  I have limited understanding of all this.  Would be a good idea to contact them for an update.

http://itchmoforums.com/cat-food-experiences-by-brand/fancy-feast-t1185.0.html;msg20534#msg20534

Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast- Dry Matter Phos-2.59%

Gourmet Chicken Feast- Dry Matter Phos- 2.04%

Savory Salmon Feast- Dry Matter Phos- 2.13%

Turkey & Giblets Feast- Dry Matter Phos- 1.63%

Tender Beef Feast- Dry Matter Phos- 2.04%

Tender Beef & Liver Feast- Dry Matter Phos- 1.68%

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 07:47:52 AM »

Ooo, those are kind of high.  Ideally it should be below 1% dry matter for CRF kitties.  I'd stick with the flavors with the lower numbers and try the topper method to keep the level down.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 08:14:27 AM »

I sometimes refer to this chart.  I know it states dated and obsolete.
But the numbers are really different from what JustMe got.
Phosphorus is listed in mg. per kcal, not percentages.  Here for example, Turkey & Giblets is quite a bit higher than say, Tender Beef. 

http://www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/CanFoodOld.html

It is all so confusing, and I really wonder what the levels actually are, and how much they vary and change.

OT, if some company made a palatable renal food with decent ingredients, I think there would be a market.  I don't understand why this doesn't happen.  Is it the competition of the big companies?
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 08:21:20 AM »

Gosh.  I'll never understand it.  I asked Purina for phosphorus on a dry matter basis and that is what they sent me.

Are the Binky charts on a DMB, too?

ETA:  Agree, somebody needs to make a renal food for cats and dogs that they will actually eat.  This is ridiculous.  My cats won't eat any of it, wet or dry.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 08:31:35 AM »

The P levels in the Binky chart are in mg, and doesn't look like it's DMB.  So you would have to convert the mg to % then convert it to DMB.  It's doable if you have the % moisture for each food, but a pain.  I think we have a lot of the numbers here scattered around for many of the cat foods.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 08:33:34 AM »

AMEN on the renal food that cats like.  Sounds like a big winner for someone with the ability. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 08:51:50 AM »

The P levels in the Binky chart are in mg, and doesn't look like it's DMB.  So you would have to convert the mg to % then convert it to DMB.  It's doable if you have the % moisture for each food, but a pain.  I think we have a lot of the numbers here scattered around for many of the cat foods.

I was just looking at the different flavors of Fancy Feast, and the amts. of phosphorus, relative to each other, within that same chart. 

I also sometimes look here (last updated 2003), for the Fancy Feast, etc. (dry matter %).

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm

I guess it's best to get updated info from the company, and hope it's accurate.

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 08:58:27 AM »

What is confusing to me is that I thought fish generally had more phosphorus than poultry, hence poultry foods would have less phosphorus.  T&G is the only one of the gluten-free FF that I am aware of that does not contain fish.  Wish all the companies would put this information on line so we don't have to ask.  Sure would help.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 10:16:15 AM »

Catmom
I'm not as expert as some of the others here but my experience with Max was :
When he went off the renal diet (c.8months into the CRF diagnosis) I'd spent a lot of time researching phos levels in various foods, and after consulting the sites like felinecrf.org decided that really the phos was the main issue (protien being a lesser one since it seeemed not totally proven),
- but keeping him eating was the most important.

Like CJ he really liked renal (& any other) kibble , but I didnt want to feed dried so elected to let him eat whatever wet food he fancied.  This changed every 3-4 months - as you know with CRF if they have a feeling ill bout they tend to associate it with the food.

For his last 16 months he did well on Whiskers and Felix Senior pouches (decent natural catfood brands are only beginning to hit our market) -I wish I'd had more knowledge to go homemade then,
plus he had a dish of chicken breast (baked in foil with a little water) each night which he loved. 
Plus whatever 'treat' foods were needed to coax him during 'off' bouts.

4 months in I changed vet & he started on phos binders which I mixed with his chicken - he was very good with stuff mixed in food, never bothered him - but I know this isn't the same for all kitties. 
I also took felincecrf's advice and he got a little slippery elm every morning - I believe this greatly improved the sickiness/vomiting levels - that, or the fortekor, or the combination. Previously he would vomit 4-5 mornings out of 7.  And one horrific night 8 times in 9 hours overnight.

The biggest 'mare was juggling the meds - as you know you can't give anything else with phos binders or slippery elm  because of absorbsion issues.

In summary, I think the biggest thing with food is goodness, enjoyment & keep the phos down.  My Max did well even without the first one.


His blood tests did not show significant deterioration during that last year - they progressed a little further up the high bands, but at 19 and over a year the vet & I were quite pleased.
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