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Author Topic: Anyone having problems with Timberwolf Dakota Bison?  (Read 2538 times)
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« on: April 11, 2008, 05:12:23 PM »

Is anyone having any trouble with Timberwolf Dakota Bison?  One of my dogs stopped eating it, and I didnt think too much about it.  I waited in case she just wasnt feeling well.  After a day and a half, I started her on another food, and she ate like she was starving.
 I later noticed all of my dogs had horrible rancid breath.  I called the company and asked a few questions.  They asked for the expiration date and lot number.  They comfirmed there are complaints with this lot number.  They said there have been complaints of some dogs throwing up or having loose stools.  My complaint of horrible room clearing breath was the first they had heard of.  I pulled them off the food.  The rep said they are doing some testing, but so far everything is negative.  We have fed this for over a year, and it has been a good food.  Now, I am scared.  Is anyone else having an experience like this?
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 05:26:57 PM »

http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/timberwolf-organics-dry-t3383.0.html;msg42466#msg42466
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 08:00:55 PM »

Well, I have fed Timberwolf for well over a year now with no problems and the dogs loved it. The new bags I just recently bought, when I opened them is where the trouble began.  on the bison would not eat it, 1st 2 days all of a sudden they ate maybe 1/4 cup they get fed 1 cup AM &  PM. After almost 2 weeks of a hunger strike I still had a bag of the venison, they ate that.  I spoke with them, they claimed no changes to food, just changed the bag hmmm...something is sure different in the food , thought I might have a bad bag opened a new bag still dogs still won't eat it, okay now I know something is not right.
 Called again, they are having some complaints with that batch # of Bison and will take the food back and exchange it. They told me they tested the food and haven't found anything wrong? Well something is wrong! They said it was only with that particuliar batch of Bison and none of the other varieties, well from what I have read here that doesn't appear to be the truth either.
 I went to their website today and they have redone it, what caught my eye was I saw no listing of walnut oil and the word chicken fat stood out like a brick!!!! Now they claim the mis labeling on the bag issue
but their old website on the Venison...which is why I chose it as my one dog was having issues said ( I found an old listing) I have 3 on Bison & 1 on Venison.

Note:
This product uses alternative animal protein sources and may be
suitable for dogs that are allergic to regular ones like chicken or beef.

*Ingredients:
Venison, whole ground brown rice, lamb, whole ground millet, lamb meal, venison meal, whole ground barley, low ash salmon meal, whole ground flaxseed, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, wild salmon oil, unrefined walnut oil,*

I went down & looked evidentally I am still currently feeding off of an old bag, lists walnut oil no chicken fat, new bag lists chicken fat, as does the new Bison bags GRRRR!
Now I want to ask them if it was the bags being mislabeled and you changed no ingredients why did you brag up the walnut oil and as above alternative protein sources on your website and not just the bag??? So either they changed ingredients which they deny as of yesterday, was the bags mislabeled.. if so then the chicken fat was in there all along and you were not being truthful on your website.... I don't know which is worse from them!!!!
 Thanks for listening as I am really a little angry at this point.
The other thing I don't understand is they admit to having a problem with this batch and will exchange them, why isn't anything posted about that batch on their website???
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 08:10:04 PM »

  REM, If you check out this thread about their cat food you will see how they previously claimed bag only changes when in fact they completely changed the cat food formula. Somthing to which they are still are claiming even after comparing old ingredients and the ingredients in the "new bags". http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/anyone-has-trouble-finding-serengeti-t3119.0.html
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 11:13:51 AM »

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If your pet stops eating a food, or refuses to eat a food, DO NOT CONTINUE TO FEED THAT FOOD.

This is what happened last year, the animals know if the food is bad.

Take the bag back and get your money back and try something else.

It is great to ask questions here and get answers. but in the meantime you don't want to be poisoning your pets

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 01:16:49 AM »

Rem our pets are like the canary  in the coal mine. Should they refuse to eat a food that should be the biggest signal to any of us that there is something not right with that food. My dog has alerted me twice already and the one food she had been eating for over a year but something had changed so I took what I had back to the store and bought something else.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 04:20:29 AM »

Maybe I shouldn't be posting in this thread because I don't use Timberwolf, but...

I agree.  Listen to what your pets tell you.  I should have.  Dogs were turning away from their food.  Cats were trying to "cover" their food as if they were trying to cover their feces in the litter box.  We have to listen to the animals.  Do not assume they are just being fussy.

Stop feeding the food.  Why is Timberwolf not issuing a very widely publicized recall if they admit to having a batch of food that has been receiving complaints?  If it were my company, I'd pull the food immediately and get to the bottom of the complaints!  Remember during the recalls that some companies' inhouse testing showed no contamination, but when the FDA did testing on those products, they found contamination.  What exactly has Timberwolf tested for?  Has Timberwolf said?

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Do not assume the pets are being fussy.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 05:50:47 PM »

The Whole Dog Journal had Timberwolf Organics [although they take some issue with the word "Organics", stating this ain't so] listed as one of their high rated products in dry food for 2007.  However, in 2008, they removed Timberwolf from their analysis, as Timberwolf would not divulge certain issues regarding manufacturers, thereby casting some concern about manufacturing proceedures and processing techniques.   How this might impact quality of product is not known, but I will not buy Timberwolf products until this issue is resolved.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 06:52:13 AM »

The Whole Dog Journal had Timberwolf Organics [although they take some issue with the word "Organics", stating this ain't so]

I, too, have a problem with the use of the word "Organics." I feel that it is deceptive as there is no third party organic seal (like USDA or Oregon Tilth). While I understand they are using it as a name, it still could confuse some people.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2008, 04:15:34 PM »

MDF and REM:

What are you feeding now?

How are your dogs doing?
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2008, 04:26:42 PM »

They've now dropped Organics from their label, probably because of all the complaints of false advertising. 

I heard their foods are made at Chenango Valley, so I wonder if they had the same trouble that Nature's Variety had at that plant of the food being """too rich""" in formulation.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2008, 04:34:15 PM »

We were having problems with Timberwolf, we were alternating between Dakota Bison, and one other flavor, so can't recall what one our two dogs started throwing up on.  We learned a valuable lesson, when possible buy from a local pet supply store.  We were buying direct from Timberwolf.  They did re-imburse us for 2 bags, however shipping them back was $70.00.  I bought my first bags from a pet store locally, they said if I had bought the bags I sent back from them, would not have had to spend the $70 to return them.   

Both dogs are doing great on Natures Variety. I alternate among their different flavors of Prairie.  One cat is on canned praire, and one cat is on both their wet/dry, all doing well.  No problems. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 05:09:56 PM »

Update...

Went back and looked at my documentation.  The flavor of Timberwolf that our two dogs were eating when they started throwing up was Dakota Bison.  The bags I purchased were sometime last fall.  I sent them back at the end of November 07.  Up until that point, dogs were doing well on Elk and Bison.  I tend to stock up, so it is hard to know exactly when bag was bought that appeared to cause the throwing up.   
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2008, 10:26:03 PM »

Used Timberwolf Organics awhile back.  Opened new bags and they smelled like horse manure.  Returned all of them and got new bags.
My dog was throwing up and getting sick on the food.
This all was happening around the time the information came out about the change in ingredients and Timberwolf claiming those were the ingredients in the food all the while.

I knew the food was different and my dog was getting sick. 
I wouldn't use that food if it was FREE.  We dropped them and will never go back.
Many people on other forums will not use the food anymore.
Here's a link to some more info:
http://www.ourdogsonline.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/149867/fpart/1

also:
http://forums.dogfoodproject.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=33156&an=0&page=0#Post33156

http://forums.dogfoodproject.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=news



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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2008, 05:23:40 PM »

What is truly unfortunate here is that IF anything/substance/chemical is found in the food, they are not required by law to inform the public.

Remember to listen to your pets, and if they won't eat it, there is probably something wrong with it.

Glad that every one stopped feeding this before any serious problems.

I wonder what the hell is in this food that is making the dogs sick??

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