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« on: February 22, 2011, 03:03:01 PM »

I know I will get a lot of advice so thanks in advance. Here is the situation.
We  have 10 year old male dog (awsome dog) and 2 male cats that are 3 years old to start with all of which we have had from 8 weeks old. The cats are wild or ferril? They attacked our dog last year and a couple of other issues but they are types of cats you have to get use to (I guess). A good friend we knew passed away and had left his 2 cats (1 male 1 female) to another person. We found out she gave them to a friend of hers and that person took them to the shelter Angry. When we found out we went down to the shelter and they said they had a resperatory infection and it didn't look good. We adopted them and put them in a spare bedroom just to be safe with the infection. They are fine and doing great now we would like to keep them if we can make it work in the house. So far we have had them for 3 weeks and they are doing great in a spare room. We opened the door and everything was fine for a couple of hours then they saw each other and one of our cats went after the adopted ones, we have the nails clipped so not to much damage can happen but should we let them work it out or what?Huh? I feel bad because our cat went into the spare room which I think of as a safe place for the adopted cats.  I have not had cats before only dogs so this is all new to me, any suggestions would be helpfull.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 03:23:33 PM »

I think you did a great thing by bringing those poor sick kitties home and helping them to recover!  Good for you!

Introducing new cats into a house with existing cats can be quite a trial, and I would NOT recommend just letting them work it out.  Cats are equipped with lethal weaponry and can do a lot of physical damage to each other, even with claws trimmed, as well as psychological damage.  Few cats, even very calm ones, will completely accept new adult cats right away, and if yours are former ferals, it may be even harder.

Gradual, controlled introductions are best.

I'd recommend starting out by putting the newcomers back by themselves for another couple of weeks, but placing some of the contents of their litter box in the original cats' litter box, and vice-versa each day, to let them get accustomed to the smell of the others.  Then you can move on to other steps.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 04:55:22 PM »

catbird's advice is good.  I never thought of the litter box switch.  Wink

Maybe invest in a play pen and in a couple weeks you can put the new cats in the play pen so the old cats can "survey" them, hiss at them, and generally tell them whose territory they are now in. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 06:29:50 PM »

I think catbird's litter advice is great ! Also if you have a crate for the dog, you can put the new cats in it for a few hours in the main room with the dog & original cats. Or a screen in the door of the spare room will work too. The idea is too get everyone used to sight & smells without being able to fight. Rescue remedy in the water or rubbed on ears can help as well as Feliway diffusers. I would make sure you are there to monitor any unconfined access to each other for at least a few days. You could also try blankets for each set of cats & switching them after a few days to get them used to each others smells.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 08:24:24 PM »

Thank you very much, I am glad to hear that we are going in the right direction. I will do the litter box exchange and I like the blanket change thought and will do that also. If any others have any advise please post. Today our cats were in our bedroom for the afternoon sun so we shut the door and let the adoption cats out  Smiley they had a good time and then went back to the "safe room". What great cats  Smiley We closed the door and let our cats out and they acted like they had no idea of what happened. We did get the feliway and will try that thanks to all.
Keep any ideas coming and I will keep you all informed on the progress.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 10:51:13 PM »

I know I will get a lot of advice so thanks in advance. Here is the situation.
We  have 10 year old male dog (awsome dog) and 2 male cats that are 3 years old to start with all of which we have had from 8 weeks old. The cats are wild or ferril? They attacked our dog last year and a couple of other issues but they are types of cats you have to get use to (I guess). A good friend we knew passed away and had left his 2 cats (1 male 1 female) to another person. We found out she gave them to a friend of hers and that person took them to the shelter Angry. When we found out we went down to the shelter and they said they had a resperatory infection and it didn't look good. We adopted them and put them in a spare bedroom just to be safe with the infection. They are fine and doing great now we would like to keep them if we can make it work in the house. So far we have had them for 3 weeks and they are doing great in a spare room. We opened the door and everything was fine for a couple of hours then they saw each other and one of our cats went after the adopted ones, we have the nails clipped so not to much damage can happen but should we let them work it out or what?Huh? I feel bad because our cat went into the spare room which I think of as a safe place for the adopted cats.  I have not had cats before only dogs so this is all new to me, any suggestions would be helpfull.
Sorry your post is a lil confusing. You say you have not had cats before, yet in the beginning of this post you state you have a dog and 2 cats and then are adopting 2 more cats - is that right or?
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 04:54:57 AM »

How wonderful that you saved your friend's cats. I'm sure he will be more at peace now.
It sounds like you are doing really well with them.
This site has been helpful to me, in the past.  I have used pet gates (1 on top of the other), in doorways, when introducing cats. 
Please keep us posted, and good luck!

http://maxshouse.com/introducing_cats.htm
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 05:08:23 AM »

Slow introductions are best, they can get used to each other's scent through a door. We were lucky in that our newcomers were still kittens but older cats need more time to adjust to each other. Patience is the big thing, however you choose to handle the introductions.

Very important too, for the humans to remain calm -even when the cats are picking up a scent and hissing. Cats do pick up on our tension and  anxiety - or calmness.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 02:51:42 PM »

Good for you, saving these kitties!

I agree with the long, slow introduction advice. I've done this many times and it always works out when given enough time.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2011, 01:35:56 PM »

JJ,,  Sorry for the confusion but I never had cats growing up or as an adult until the 1st two came into our house 3 years ago I have always had dogs. I'm almost 50 now so I am clueless on cats.
Things seemed to have been going good. We have been letting the adopted cats out when we are home while our cats were sleeping in the afternoon. Last night I don't know what happened but our 1 cat went after his brother and fur was flying. We got them seperated and put 1 in our office for a couple of hours and when we let him out he went straight after his brother again, he looked like he was trying to kill him. So now we have him in our bedroom , his brother is downstairs, the adopted cats have been in the spare room for a couple of days.
   I just let the adopted ones out but I have the one in our bedroom and put a gate at the bottom of the stairs to keep the brother out of the upstairs. Anyone want a cat or 2 Cry  I will deliver .
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 02:52:01 PM »

Oh dear...maybe they just need more time? They can be awfully scrappy with each other until the scents have all intermingled and they start to feel they are all part of the same household.
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2011, 04:59:03 PM »

Give them time.  The new cats probably triggered a domination reaction.  You'll be okay. 

Lavish attention on your boys, give them a bit of a treat, make sure they feel loved.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 05:11:26 PM »

I agree ,it just needs some time. Have you tried the feliway or rescue remedy ? They will help.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2011, 05:15:16 PM »

I was just posting the same thing lesliek did!  I strongly recommend Feliway and Rescue Remedy.  I also think it might not be a bad idea to have the cat who is attacking checked out by a vet.  Sometimes health issues can cause these sorts of problems.

So sorry to hear this is happening.  Hang in there.  I once had the same sort of problem and it took me six months to sort it out.  But eventually we got the situation resolved.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2011, 01:36:36 PM »

Thx for clearing that up on your cats. Agree with catbird that if after you try the rescue remedy or the Feliway should the brother continue his attacks on his sibling, might need a vet's input. Should you need the vet have them test for Bartonella (sp) also.
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