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« on: September 25, 2010, 07:20:41 AM »

Tiger (2-year-old male) will on occasion pin PJ (5-month-old male) to the grown and hold his neck. I'm never able to see if something precipitates this, but usually the kittens are running or playing with toys, then I hear a little wimper.  Sometimes it is Daisy he pins down, but usually PJ.  Anyone know if this is normal behavior? He doesn't bite, but I wonder what he is doing.  Is he making a correction or what?  training? Other times, they play fine together.

There is no growling going on and they don't fight, hiss, or spit at each other. Interestingly, Tiger is the same cat who harrasses Bette Davis (adult feral) the most.  Tiger and his sister Callie are also the youngest after the kittens.  Is it territorial?  Because PJ isn't neutered yet?  Any suggestions?

Kittens are not left alone with adults.  At night, they still go in their kitten pen for safekeeping at least until they recover from their upcoming s/n surgeries.

I'm going to ask vet about this at appointment next week.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 08:05:41 AM »

I've seen Bucky correct 'Bisi and it's usually a swat, but once in a while it gets more physical.  I've never seen him pin her down, though.  Bucky (15 years last month) is at least 3 times as large as 'Bisi.  I want to say 5 times, but that'd be ashera sized kitties, not bucky sized kitties.   Tongue

Sounds like Tiger is living up to his name.  the quiet stalk, the sudden pounce!  Perhaps he's trying to teach them? or exerting his own alphaness.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 08:23:06 AM »

What you described sounds like dominance behavior to me, JustMe.   I think Tiger is trying to assert that he is higher in the "pecking order" than PJ and Daisy.  He may also be disciplining them for chasing their toys too close to him, or something like that.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 09:16:18 AM »

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Anyone know if this is normal behavior?

It's pretty normal for our three males. They have all done it to each other at one time or another during their play. Oddly, our youngest cat, JP, at one year old has done it to our other cats since he was a kitten. It was so funny to watch him as he looked way too small to take a dominant role. The other cats humored him and played along.

For our cats it is just part of their play and it has never developed into anything more.

They tend to do this more just before their meal or when they return from a walk outdoors. Sometimes it is clearly the mating position with one cat holding the back of the other cat's neck and treading with his rear legs. I don't know what they think they are doing, being all neutered males.  Purr-verts!
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 09:35:00 AM »

I tend to agree that this is all dominance behavior-we've had some older ones do this to newly incoming kittens many times over the years. Tiger sounds a lot like our Oscar- "Mr Alpha".   
 
I always broke up the pinning down game if it started to look too rough.

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 06:54:02 PM »

We get that over here - mostly Large male on Large female, or Tiny male on Tiny female.  Mooch does it most often, and he used to do it a lot to Chami and then she'd get slobber mats on her neck.   Tongue  Recently Mooch has been doing it to Sunday, and she seems to enjoy it.   Kiss  No growling, just a small whimper or two (or sometimes a siren from Chami).  It's never rough though.

The Tinies tend to let go after a few moments, but Mooch can latch on, and when he's done that on Chami and she seemed peeved about it and started her siren, I'd gently open and release his jaw from her neck.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 09:48:56 AM »

The few sessions Marco and Santi have had they still do the neck biting and wrestling, is this okay? There is no hissing or screeching, once in a while Santi will make a noise...do we let this continue? My partner has an AWFUL time sitting by while this is going on, he really doesn't help matters at all  Sad  Last nite they did the neck biting but b/c of Santi's collar you can't always tell who's getting the better bite! Santi is declawed, we may put nail clips on Marco just for our own peace of mind.  Marco only swats at Santi in the cat tree which we moved to main floor of house in sunniest room a week ago, Marco's a bit territorial there since then...Santi (being a couple pounds less than Marco) usually instigates things and doesn't seem to let Marco be dominant.  It's only been about 5 sessions thus far b/c of Santi's health issues since November...any advice?
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 01:42:53 PM »

Someone said in my pic thread that you have to have equally high perches for those with dominance clashes.  I'm seeing it in my own household now that I have Beau.  Beau and Bisi fight every night and I have to get out the water gun.  I can't tell if it's serious or not, but Beau is not being gentle  Embarrassed
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 02:58:25 PM »

Here are my "signs" for determining if the interaction has gone beyond normal wrestling play or dominance tussling:

  • If someone gets scratched, bitten, or otherwise injured
  • If either cat vocalizes loudly while it's going on
  • If one cat appears to develop fear of the other cat, for example, slinks away when the other cat comes in the room
  • If there is more than just a little bit of hissing
  • If it happens every time the two cats see each other
If you are seeing any of these signs, it may be time to intervene.  I think it is a good idea to put the soft claw covers on Marco for now, since Santi is declawed.

Often, if a cat has been at the vet's, they "smell funny" to the resident cat.  I know Santi has had to spend time there, so it might be a good idea to supervise them closely for awhile.  And maybe invest in another "perch" that Marco doesn't consider his territory?
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