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Bridgett
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« on: July 25, 2008, 03:47:16 PM » |
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Here is the situation that I am debating with my neighbors:
Lori, the woman, has always had a cat or two and has always taken very good care of them. But her new live-in boyfriend, has moved in his old, VERY overweight dog into her tiny back yard. The dog looks like a shepard mix and weighs probably 80 lbs. The back yard is maybe 10 feet X 12 feet. I asked them if they walked the dog, and the guy said no way!
To me, leaving this poor dog in a tiny backyard with no hope of walk is cruelty.
Here is what the Alb. animal ordinance says:
(D) Outdoor - Secure Fence.
(1) Space Requirement. When Animals are outdoors restricted by a Secure Fence they must be provided with adequate space to prevent overcrowding and to allow the Animals to maintain normal exercise levels required by the size, temperament and type of Animal.
(2) Adequate Shelter and shade. Animals that are not allowed free access to the Household must be provided with Adequate Shelter and shade. A structure that provides Adequate Shelter might not provide adequate shade: for example, a doghouse that protects the dog from wind and rain may be too hot inside when exposed to direct sunlight during the warmer months so shade must also be provided. Outside housing shall protect Animals from any extreme weather conditions that may be detrimental to the health or comfort of the Animals.
My neighbors are definitely not meeting the required space requirements for their dog but I couldn't find anything in the ordinance that specified lack of space as cruelty.
I just feel so bad for this dog! He has to be bored out his mind in the backyard. And not being properly exercised?....
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petslave
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 04:28:54 PM » |
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Bridgett - could you offer to take their dog for a walk with you & Daisy once or twice a week? (dependent of course on if you have time & if they get along!)
Barring that, maybe you could call animal control & see if that size is what they consider too small. Does it come inside or is it out all the time?
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 09:45:31 PM » |
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Bridgett- I agree with Petslave,maybe ask if the dog can go for walks with you and Daisy ? If the dog is out all the time I would try talking to the woman,if nothing changes & they won't let you take it out,you may have no choice but to report them. The problem with that is they know they will be getting visits & things will get better til the home checks are done. Then they will get worse again. Thats how I ended up with my beagle Fragile. Even the animal control officer said if I found her again,don't report it just keep her.
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Poco
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 10:13:41 PM » |
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I was thinking along the same lines. It's certainly not your responsibility to walk the neighbor's dog, but if Daisy enjoyed his company and he's well-behaved....you would get 'involved', of course. (And Poco would be jealous.  ) Sounds like there is no hope of starting a dog-walking business with this one. Guess you'd have a reference, though.
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Don Earl
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 11:04:48 PM » |
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I lean toward the idea of leaving people alone if they aren't being intentionally mean. Too often an outsider only sees one frame of the whole picture. Pets often become overweight as they grow old, and an older pet isn't certainly isn't going to be as active as a puppy. You may very well be looking at a well loved and well cared for pet that has been with the pet owner for many years and may not have much time left.
A small yard may not be the best, but it is one heck of a lot more room than the pet will have at a shelter. And, if it is in fact an older pet, the adoption rate for seniors is pretty grim - most are euthanized within a matter of days.
I think it'd also be fair to say that people in new relationships tend to be distracted. Give them a chance to settle in and get past the honeymoon stage of the relationship.
Live and let live.
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MarySmith
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 05:36:16 AM » |
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Does the dog have adequate shelter and shade in the backyard when it is too hot? or cold? Does the dog have water at all times?
If you can answer yes to the above questions - I'd leave the neighbors alone. If the answer is no, then I'd 'nicely' suggest the changes without making any mention of getting the authourities involved. If there are no changes, then I might think about reporting the dog for those reasons only.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 06:32:43 AM » |
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I tend to agree with Don and MarySmith, unless there is no food, water, or shelter from the elements available to him.
Is he outside 24 x 7?
Exactly what condition is he in? Very old? How old? Is it arthritic? Does it have a heart condition? Does it chase/fight with other animals on a walk?
I would consider dragging an elderly, overweight dog on a walk as cruelty. It depends on what the dog is capable of.
The live-in boyfriend could be gone in a week. Who knows?
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Orange Fuzzball
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2008, 08:33:02 PM » |
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Without having seen the situation myself, I can't really offer an opinion on what you should do. I would feel bad for the dog too, but if he's not actually in distress then there's probably not much the authorities would do about it anyway.
I'm basically just posting to this thread to point out how lucky the animals living in your city must be. I doubt there are many cities that have an ordinance requiring outdoor animals to be kept at that level of comfort. Doesn't mean it'll always be enforced, of course, and it's not much more than the bare minimum - but it's better than the nothing that passes for protection in most other areas.
My sister-in-law had two big outdoor dogs for years. At first, they lived out in the country and the dogs had a lot of room to run around and a big doghouse to take shelter in, and it was a pretty good life. But when they moved into town, the dogs were restricted to a pretty small area and a tiny little doghouse, and by this point the dogs were getting older. If it had been up to her, the dogs would have been allowed indoors, but her husband wouldn't hear of it (he can be a bit of a jackass sometimes). Now, one of the dogs has died and the other is finally a house dog. It's just too bad it took so long for her to put her foot down.
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Bridgett
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 11:11:21 AM » |
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From what I can tell, the dog doesn't have a house but has access to a shed. It was raining Saturday and the woman told me the dog went into the shed. The guy made a show of how vicious and mean his dog was. I don't really believe it cuz the guy was pretty drunk. But Daisy wouldn't get along with him anyways, she doesn't like big dogs.
The dog looks to be 7-8 ish. Alot of grey on it's muzzle. So overwieght he could pass for a furry coffee table. From the way he was moving I would say that yes he is arthritic. But of course, it could just be carrying the extra weight.
I heard the dog barking yesterday. The man came out and yelled at him to shut up.
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Why do cats always jump on your lap with their claws out? Especially when you are wearing shorts?
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Poco
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 12:57:41 PM » |
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It's sad, Bridgett. I hope he is actually older than 7 or 8.  Try to remember that a dog could have a much worse life. At least you are not seeing physical abuse.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2008, 01:07:36 PM » |
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Sounds like the guy is the problem here ~ too bad the poor dog couldn't get out somehow when the people are away . . . I hate hearing about animals being treated that way.
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macushla
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2008, 01:36:59 PM » |
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Bridgett, I think all you can do is keep an eye on the situation though I know it's very hard. We have two cats across the street that our neighbor ignores. We feed them and pet them (we have three of our own) two are older, so we can't take them in. I bought a cat cabin for the winter weather as he rarely takes them in when the weather is bad. It's very difficult when the animals involved are older -- if you call the animal officer, the chances are likely that they will be put down.
It sounds like this poor dog is abused but not subjected to physical cruelty (though I'm not sure if there is a difference). Is your neighbor friendly enough with you to talk with her? If she loves(d) her cats, she must be affected by this situation.
Good luck...I know it's tough.
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Bridgett
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2008, 03:24:32 PM » |
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I wish everybody treated animals the way we here at Itchmo! do.
I know the guy frequently gets drunk and I have heard serious arguments coming from their condo. I worry about her safety too but I haven't seen any bruises and she acts fine. But who can really tell what is going on in there. The whole situation is just bad. And now there is a poor innocent dog thrown into this mix. They are providing food and shelter.
I am going to alert my other neighbors to what is going on. We have 8 condos in this complex and 13 cats. We all love animals. Atleast I won't be the only one worrying about the poor dog.
I think the woman is concerned about the dog. But it is doubtful she would do anything about it.
Orangefuzzball, I think you are right. It is hard to prove abuse in this case. It is kind of like Daisy's situation when I adopted her. She hadn't be abused: starved, beaten, that kind of thing. Just neglected, locked in a carrier except to go potty. I "think* that is the situation with this dog too. No outright physical abuse, but neglect, definitely.
Thanks all for your suggestions and kind words.
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Why do cats always jump on your lap with their claws out? Especially when you are wearing shorts?
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